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Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
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Using build 25328 and having the following users.yaml configuration: users: # This section defines your valid users. admin: ******* groups: # This section defines your user groups. Optionally, it defines application # and API access restrictions (ACLs) for the group. Users may belong to # more than one group. Again, no required or special groups here. admin_group: users: - admin applications: true # special form allows access to ALL applications guests: users: "*" applications: - dashboard api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin_group allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: true session: timeout: 7200 # (seconds) rolling: true # activity extends timeout when true # If log_acls is true, the selected ACL for every API access is logged. log_acls: true # If debug_acls is true, even more information about ACL selection is logged. debug_acls: true My goal is to allow anonymous user to dashboard, but MSR is still asking for a password when trying to access that. Nothing in the logs related to dashboard access. Probably an error in the configuration, but help needed to find that. Tried to put url: "/dashboard" under api_acls, but that was a long shot and didn't work.
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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[Solved] function isRuleEnabled() issue
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Possible feature request 2?
CatmanV2C
Just another thought. Adding devices from my Home Assistant / Zigbee2MQTT integration. Works perfectly but they always add as their IEEE address. Some of these devices have up to 10 entities associated, and the moment they are renamed to something sensible, each of those entities 'ceases to exist' in MSR. I like things tidy, and deleting each defunct entity needs 3 clicks. Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option? No biggy as I've pretty much finished my Z-wave migration and I don't expect to be adding more than 2 new Zigbee devices Cheers C
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Copying a global reaction
tunnusT
With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
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[Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
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Difficulty defining repeating annual period
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I have tried numerous ways to define a recurring annual period, for example from December 15 to January 15. No matter which method I try - after and before, between, after and/not after, Reactor reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date. Some constructs also seem to cause Reactor to hang, timeout and restart. For example "before January 15 is evaluated as true, but reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date". Does anyone have a tried and true method to define a recurring annual period? I think the "between" that I used successfully in the past may have broken with one of the updates.
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Need help with sequence
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Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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SOLVED: Use of multiple Hubitat hubs with MSR

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    MikeReadington
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    #1

    Hello Everyone,

    I currently use two Vera units in two structures, but am I able to use multiple Hubitat units with MSR as well?

    I added a second Hubitat in another building, set it up as I setup up the first Hubitat, but I cannot seem to get it to connect. I have verified many times the correct URL and token is populated. Any ideas?

    [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.108Z <HubitatController:NOTICE> HubitatController#hubitatshop not ready; performing initial connect/query
    [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.185Z <HubitatController:ERR> HubitatController#hubitatshop failed to connect/query http://10.10.10.86/apps/api/1: [FetchError]FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
    [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.186Z <HubitatController:CRIT> FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
    FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
    
    

    Thanks!

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    • MikeReadingtonM MikeReadington

      Hello Everyone,

      I currently use two Vera units in two structures, but am I able to use multiple Hubitat units with MSR as well?

      I added a second Hubitat in another building, set it up as I setup up the first Hubitat, but I cannot seem to get it to connect. I have verified many times the correct URL and token is populated. Any ideas?

      [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.108Z <HubitatController:NOTICE> HubitatController#hubitatshop not ready; performing initial connect/query
      [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.185Z <HubitatController:ERR> HubitatController#hubitatshop failed to connect/query http://10.10.10.86/apps/api/1: [FetchError]FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
      [latest-22069]2022-03-18T21:41:39.186Z <HubitatController:CRIT> FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
      FetchError: request to https://10.10.10.86:5001/?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a failed, reason: certificate has expired
      
      

      Thanks!

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      #2

      @mikereadington I could be reading that wrong, but it looks like it's unhappy with the token. Have you tried recreating the token on the second Hubitat?

      I'm using two Hubitats on one MSR and it works without a hitch. I did do the original recommendation of a second Maker API instance but @toggledbits advised that's no longer really necessary.

      What does your configuration look like in reactor.yaml?

      *Hubitat C-7 2.4.3.177
      *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

      *HAOS
      Core 2026.1.1
      w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
      FW: v1.1
      SDK: v7.23.1

      *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
      MSR: latest-26011-c621bbc7
      MQTTController: 25139
      ZWave Controller: 25139

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        Url should not be https

        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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          Url should not be https

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          #4

          @toggledbits Totally missed that. 😕

          *Hubitat C-7 2.4.3.177
          *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

          *HAOS
          Core 2026.1.1
          w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
          FW: v1.1
          SDK: v7.23.1

          *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
          MSR: latest-26011-c621bbc7
          MQTTController: 25139
          ZWave Controller: 25139

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            Url should not be https

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            #5

            @toggledbits I get that, but I don't have HTTPS populated in the config. It looks like it checks HTTP, fails, then tries HTTPS.

            Here is my config.

              - id: hubitat
                enabled: true
                implementation: HubitatController
                name: A Hubitat Elevation system
                config:
                  # Copy the entire URL from the Maker API app page on your Hubitat UI. A quick, easy way is to
                  # right-click the "Get All Devices" link and choose "Copy link location", the paste it below.
                  source: "http://10.10.10.85/apps/api/3/devices?access_token=1afd6778-a2ed-4323-9e81-f4e570d20082"
                  #
                  # dump_all_devices - This is for troubleshooting. Do not enable unless asked.
                  dump_all_devices: false
                  
              - id: hubitatshop
                enabled: true
                implementation: HubitatController
                name: Hubitat Elevation system
                config:
                  # Copy the entire URL from the Maker API app page on your Hubitat UI. A quick, easy way is to
                  # right-click the "Get All Devices" link and choose "Copy link location", the paste it below.
                  source: "http://10.10.10.86/apps/api/1/devices?access_token=798a073c-4021-43e3-9da7-c5c4ac4f141a"
                  #
                  # dump_all_devices - This is for troubleshooting. Do not enable unless asked.
                  dump_all_devices: false
            
            
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              #6

              None of this is adding up for me. You log previously shows that an attempt to connect on HTTPS is being made, and at that to the very unusual port 5001, yet your config (at least, what you've shown, which is only partial -- the error is for the controller config you have not shown us), shows HTTP and no port number. HubitatController handles the source URL very simply, and it contains no insertion of a port number (and 5001 specifically) anywhere in the code. Nor does HubitatController attempt both HTTP and HTTPS; it uses what you give it (and it expects HTTP only). So unless this is coming from hidden config, I have no idea where it's coming from. There's something more to your environment that you've disclosed here; I don't have enough information to provide you any further guidance, but based on what you've shown, in a normal (LAN, everything directly connected on the same network segment) environment this should just work as presented. But again, this isn't a complete picture, as the most vital information (config for the hub that actually is causing the error message you posted) isn't here.

              EDIT: Apologies! I could not see the scroll bar on the config (off screen) on the device I'm using. I see the config for that second unit. Still, no port number. No idea where https or 5001 is coming from; these are not things HubitatController does. This isn't adding up. Hmm... is the hub redirecting? Do you have some app or setting that is forcing a redirect to HTTPS?

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                Thanks Patrick,

                Apologies are never necessary with me. You're on vaca, and this stuff isn't exactly running a nuclear power plant. 🙂

                The MSR installation is about as vanilla as it could be. Docker on Synology, latest version, standard ports, with nothing optional added to it. The config file contains 3 Vera units (2 production, 1 test), 1 Hubitat (hopefully 2 at some point), and a weather subscription.

                The network topology is also straightforward. MSR and this Hubitat are connected to the same physical switch with no VLANs in this segment. The range of 10.10.10.8X is what I use for automation devices, all devices are "on device" statically assigned, and those IPs are not within the range of the DHCP server. (I did also verify there is no duplication of IPs)

                The first Hubitat (2.3.0.124) works with no issues. That unit is in service with devices and whatnot. (the Hub Information driver/device is installed)

                The second Hubitat was taken out of the box, updated to 2.3.0.124, and I installed the Hub Information driver/device and the Maker API. I changed the MSR config to reflect the second unit as posted above, and here we are. I changed nothing else in this unit from out of the box, and I am 100% sure the token is accurate. When I browse to the hub over HTTP, it does not redirect to HTTPS. These two units are NOT meshed together, and if you remember back, I was the guy who had my Vera units bridged, which caused me some unexpected issues in the beginnings of MSR.

                Anything I can think of that would affect the second hub should also affect the first hub, and I can't see why anything anywhere would redirect a request to HTTPS let alone an alternative port. I thought that might have been a failure model to retry with a secure connection if a failure occurred.

                I know it's not magic, so something somewhere has to be doing this. @gwp1 confirmed he is using two with no issues, so it has to be something unique to me. I have been jammed up today, but I am going to take the first unit .85 out of the config and see if second one connects alone when the first is removed. If it does not, then it has to be something with that unit specifically.

                Thanks again for trying to look at this, and thanks again for all you do with MSR.

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                  toggledbits
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                  OK, so let's back up to the beginning. Can you a screen shot of the local access URLs from the Maker API on the new hub?

                  Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                    OK, so let's back up to the beginning. Can you a screen shot of the local access URLs from the Maker API on the new hub?

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                    #9

                    @toggledbits Sure

                    I really hope I am not missing something stupid here

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                      #10

                      Sigh. I have a suspicion. And this is why I made the posting guidelines (which you didn't follow, and I didn't catch/stop until followed)...

                      Are you running on a Synology NAS, or at least, you have a Synology NAS in your network?

                      Edit: And yes, indeed you did say that in a follow-up post (7 posts in, but really need to have the info in the head post, up front), but in any case, there's the answer: your NAS is answering on that IP address. I don't know if that's a duplication of the IP (you said you didn't, but it can happen), or maybe a misconfig of the container somehow, no idea how, but the redirect URL is exactly what/how the NAS would respond if you sent the Maker API query URL to the NAS IP address (I was able to confirm exactly that by doing it to my own Synology NAS). Double-check the configuration of everything. The NAS should not be answering on that IP if that's really your new hub (or maybe, your new hub should not be on that address...?).

                      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                        #11

                        Thanks Patrick,

                        I am sorry I did not include everything in the first post. I know better, and for that I apologize.

                        There is 1 Synology NAS on site with only 1 connected network interface (10G copper) and that has a static set of IP address of 10.10.10.30. There were some test containers that were deleted from the system, but I don't know if there could still be something that could exist after a container is deleted. When I get in there tomorrow I will dig around and see what I find.

                        Thanks again

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                          I did not have time to get into this until today, and this is something Synology owners should know.

                          I had two test containers that were shutdown, and one of them was a test Home Assistant on .86. After deleting the container, the issue persisted. I stopped and restarted the docker service, and it worked after that. I am a little puzzled by this because the contain was in the shutdown state, but for sure that container was the issue.

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                            Good sleuthing. That's an interesting resolution. In a way it makes sense, because I could see docker reserving the resource (a network interface and its desired address) whether the container is running or not, but it's not the obvious thing for it to do (IMO), especially given that the side-effect is to let the host OS handle requests when the guest is down. That actually seems like is has potential security implications...

                            Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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