Hi All
Hopefully this place looks like a helpful forum as I’m quite new to all this!
I’ve had a few devices all working separately /through their proprietary apps but we’re just finishing off a large house extension and this has added to the list.
I’d ideally like to be able to view/switch a number of different devices on one screen/head end but have no idea where to start.
The devices we have/will have shortly are as follows;
Zigbee Smart Sockets
Zigbee smart switches (for lights)
Heatmiser Neo Underfloor Heating (this runs from a Samsung ASHP but that part is automatic)
Samsung VRF air conditioning (currently using Smart Things App)
Hive (2xLTHW heating circuits in the existing house and Hot Water)
Ring (doorbell!)
Hik Vision PoE CCTV
We have lots of appliances (Neff N70) which we can control remotely but not too fussed about controlling those at the
Moment)
Any help/recommendations would be appreciated!
Thanks
Adrian
I have a legacy home automation set-up running on Windows XP. the computer and software have now died.
I have written a very nice Excel VBA program to replace the software and it can run on any modern Windows system.
My only remaining problem is to output the correct signal to a USB port to trigger the wireless switches.
Has anybody done a similar exercise. Please help.
Hi All,
Kind of new to Home Automation. Started off Using Amazon Echo units and added a Samsung SmartThings hub. I have mostly been using plug in modules for turning lights on and off. I live in a very rural area where the internet goes out a lot. I eventually want to change to to a non internet Hub so things will work without needing an internet connection. But I will post with those questions at a later date.
So, the task at hand is this: I have flood lights at each corner of my house. They are currently controlled by switches at the front and back doors. I would like to add Security Cameras to each corner also. I can easily find small Wifi switches to put into the electrical box where the flood lights are located, then I can terminate the leads together behind the Decora switch to have constant power. Then I can use the constant power up at the lights electrical box to power the security cameras. I would also like to have a wireless switch to take the place of the Decora switch to be able to turn the lights off and on.
I cannot seem to find a product like this. It seems I can find the small wired in switch boxes that will also come with external smart wall switches, but the wall switches are an external box that does not fit in or cover the existing Wall switch electrical box. I can also find Wireless Decora switches that come with a remote wired in small switch box , but they all seem to be RF and do not integrate with a Smart Hub.
I am hoping someone here knows of a product that matches what I am looking for. Any help would be appreciated.
Also any recommendations for Wireless Security cameras are welcome.
Thanks for any help.
Dear Forum,
I am just starting a smart home system. I've wanted to do this for 10 years at most and really would like to get a start. What I have are a couple of SONOFF wifi relays, some 433 (Hz/mHz) switches ( not wifi ) a couple of wifi lightbulbs, and I'd like to expand wifi thermostat, leak/water detectors, garage door openers and what ever else I can think of.
In the SONOFF items I have it's a particular app, the wifi bulbs are another app, and if I do a thermostat there might be another app. My wife is not a Luddite but she damn sure doesn't want to have to trouble shoot if/why a particular app breaks down.
So in what I do understand about smart home things is that I need/want a HUB. I spent 15 years doing some programming so I do have some computer ability, though I'd prefer to stay away from HAVING to line command operate the hub.
I would like a list of HUB's that people have found to be the best. Even better are links to let's say Amazon for that hub.
Regards from Noob Smart Home,
Barry
Hello lovely people. Long time and all that. Hope you're all doing OK.
Bit of a left field one here, looking for extra eyes more than an answer and you're the most logical bunch I know 🙂
Part of our HA system is a Logitech Elite hub and remote control.
This is programmed to control my Cyrus Stereo, our TV, and HDMI switch and our Virgin V6 box.
I've been away for a couple of days. Got back this evening to (eventually) work out that the V6 box appears to be not accepting any commands from the Logitech.
Everything has been rebooted.
Logitech uses IR to control
Cyrus: Fine
TV: Fine
HDMI: Fine
Remote control uses Bluetooth to control Hub.
All commands from the Remote to the hub are executed (one might assume correctly) as the activity LED responds, and if you're controlling (say) the Cyrus, all works fine.
iOS App can be used to control Hub over the WLAN:
All commands from the App re executed (one might assume correctly) as the activity LED responds, and if you're controlling (say) the Cyrus, all works fine.
Native remote (that uses as far as I know bluetooth) to control the V6 box works fine.
V6 box refuses to acknowledge any command other than from the native remote. Remote or app provoke absolutely zero response from the V6 box.
This is annoying, but damned if I can think of any logical reason. One might assume a firmware update on the V6 box, but given that the Hub simply emulates the native remote, that seems unlikely.
I'm struggling to think of where even to start troubleshooting this, so any random thoughts would be appreciated.
My initial approach is to buy another hub in case there's a different radio set that's failed in the hub...
TIA!
C
I currently have an HVAC system in the attic - for heating and A/C. 120v is supplied to the unit to run the gas heating. A/C uses 240v. I have an ecobee thermostat...which sometimes goes offline....not often. When it goes offline, I need to turn the 120v power to the HVAC system off and then back on (the ecobee gets its power from the HVAC system). That resets the ecobee and all is fine. I spend the summer away from this house and if the ecobee goes offine..I have no current method to reset the HVAC 120v power remotely. My idea is to replace the current 120v plug in the attic with a smart plug...then I can remotely turn the 120v power off and the ecobee will reset and come back online. I use Wyze and Lutron Casita in the house currently and was hoping I could find an in-wall smart plug from Wyze or Lutron. Obviously, I don't need diming, etc...just the ability to turn the plug power on/off. I've seen some options...but one problem I have is the attic can reach up to 135F in the summer...many of the smart plugs I've seen are not rated for that temperature. Might any of you have any thoughts on a smart plug I might want to look at? I don't want to invest in anything that would require a new hub - so either WiFi based or Casita HUB based. I need 120v and 15amp ratings. Thanks in advance.
I am trying to run a reaction that turns on lights if a sensor has not been tripped for 2 minutes. Basically, when a garage door is open, turn on inside lights if nothing has been sensed for 2 minutes. My question has to do with the expression/variable for "Last Seen". The variable never gets updated over time since the last seen event never changes.
Screenshot 2024-09-02 191632.png
In the screenshot above, the reaction checks for any garage door as well as the variable called "GarageLastEntry". The expression for this variable is displayed below:
Screenshot 2024-09-02 191651.png
The problem that I am experiencing is that the variable never changes over time. I understand that this is because the "last seen" variable does not change over time when there is no activity. In this screenshot, the value shows 0.029... This can also be seen as the current value in the original reaction screenshot above. After 10 minutes, this value should be 10. However, when a garage door is opened, the variable does not get updated and thus the rule does not become true since .029 is less than 2.
When I go to the variable and click on the > icon, the variable then gets updated as expected as seen below:
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So the ultimate question is, how do I use a rule that can use a variable such as "last seen"? Do I need to create another variable or reaction that multiplies this by 1 every minute? From what I read in the manual, a variable is evaluated every time it is included in a reaction. But this is not what I am seeing.
I also want to ask another question related to this variable. It seems like Reactor continuously deletes this variable and I have to keep recreating it? I have never experienced this with MSR so wanted to ask if this is a common problem or if my definition is causing this.
Any info is appreciated!!!
BACKGROUND
I have been using 4 x Yale Contactless Connected Door Locks for several years (they use either a rfid tag or code to enter)
I have also been using 1 x Yale L1 Door Lock on the main front door and this connects via Yale Software
Yale contacted me to advise the L1 Lock software was being withdrawn and I needed to install a Yale Access Module into the existing lock and a Wi-Fi Bridge to link it with the newly released software
ALL of the above was working just fine.
RECENT
Yale emailed to advise I should add a Yale Access Module to each of the 4 other locks as this would link with the updated software via the Wi-Fi Bridge.
They offered a deal of just £4 each for these Modules so I got them.
THE PROBLEM
I found that only 2 of these modules would slot easily into the locks - two of them bent the pins and one of those snapped the female part in a lock (I do have a spare lock but thats not the point).
Anyway, I began to set-up the two fitted Modules with the Wi-Fi Bridge and I eventually found (thanks Google, NOT Yale) that I now need 1 x Wi-Fi Bridge PER LOCK (£50 each).
QUESTION
Does anyone know of a compatible Wi-Fi Bridge which works with Yale AND can handle multiple connections (ie 5 all 5 of my locks) ?
THANK YOU
Some of you may know that I took at shot at building an alternate geofencing solution for Vera. The core of it was system agnostic, using the OwnTracks application and AWS lambdas to track devices and keep a central data, then disseminate that to the Vera via a websocket-based plugin. It worked with other apps as well, including Tasker and GPSLogger, but of the dozen people that were testing it, most used OwnTracks.
A lot was learned in the process, not the least of which is that the success of any such solution is highly dependent on the phone and its settings. Phone manufacturers love to set things up for the longest battery life, of course, but that's usually very anti-geofencing behavior. In the case of at least one brand, it was unusable and the settings could not be modified. It was also cost-prohibitive to maintain on Amazon, as AWS grabs a dime here and a dollar there and before you know it, it added $100/month to my AWS bill, which my wife deducted from my Scotch budget. Unacceptable.
But it's quite reasonable to use OwnTracks to a local endpoint, and I could pretty easily replicate the functionality as a local application, or maybe even as an additional endpoint built into MSR's API (still separate port and process, but in the package).
So the question really is... would you do it, or would you be too concerned about the security risks associated (e.g., dynamic DNS and NAT mapping in the firewall necessary for the phone to contact the service when not on LAN)?
Hello forum instigators.
Not sure who host/runs the forum software but a couple of challenges:
The chat is not currently usable, as the scrolling is all not right and it's not possible to read chats or send chats reliably.
There are a lot of female members that should perhaps be on another forum; where they can advertise their skills more appropriately. Note: I agree it's a job, like any other.
Whoever you are - thank you for your invaluable work.
I run a B&B and am looking for a way to turn the lights off whenever a room is unoccupied for X amount of time. The guest should still be able to turn the lights on and off manually, but should not be able to disable the auto turn off feature if the room is unoccupied.
I guess I am looking for a light switch with a built in presence sensor? I guess a presence sensor would be better as if it is a motion sensor, the lights may go off unwanted if the guest fails to make sufficient movement e.g. if the guest is lying down watching a film.
Are there any products on the market that would work for my application?
Hello,
I am in search of a device capable of using Bluetooth to connect with a smartphone and serve as its primary sound source on demand. This device should function similarly to conventional Bluetooth headphones, which automatically become the phone's sound output upon activation. However, this device should differ in that it transmits the audio signal to an amplifier via a jack, SPDIF, or similar connection. Alternatively, it could be an integrated amplifier that directly sends the signal to passive speakers.
The control of this process should be manageable through an API such as MQTT, REST, MODBUS, or similar. Are you aware of any devices that operate in this manner?
The concept is as follows: upon entering the bathroom, I would press a wall-mounted switch. This switch would send a signal to the Bluetooth device, prompting it to connect to my smartphone and seamlessly continue playing the audiobook I am currently listening to. Instead of using the phone's speakers, it would seamlessly start playing through ceiling-mounted speakers.
Many thanks 🙂
Hi folks,
I currently have some cheap Zigbee hub and some Amazon Alexas running my smart home which mostly consists of Zigbee power strips and Zigbee battery powered switches.
It all worked OK originally, but now whenever I press a Zigbee switch the light in the corresponding plug switches on then immediately off again.
If I ask Alexa to turn the light on it works fine. Likewise if I switch it on from my phone.
Any ideas what the issue could be?
I've tried unplugging the hub a number of times but that doesn't seem to fix it.
I was thinking about getting a Homey Pro 2023 to speed things up (tmas the Zigbee hub seems to be really slow now as well, for some reason) but I'm not sure about that either.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
Looking for a recommendation:
Locksmith is trying to talk me into the Yale Assure Lock Touchscreen with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth - the original 1st generation because they said it's built better than the Assure Lock 2. Any thoughts on this? Which would you recommend?
I see Mul T Lock makes a cylinder (KW-KIDYRL) for Yale Smart Locks. Would this fit the 1st gen Assure Lock, as well as Assure Lock 2? Has anyone tried replacing the cylinder with this on either lock?
Other smart lock I was considering is the Schlage Encode Plus.
Thanks!
Hi. So when I had my house build I ran a bunch of stuff, one of which being two pairs of speaker wires to each bedroom and to 4 spots around my living room… Over the years I have used them here and there with different success.. But today they sit in my walls just unused.
I converted all the cat6 or 5e (I don’t remember) over to basically eithernet jacks. The cable coaxial well it’s there but now unused. But I was thinking there has got to be some use for two pairs of speaker wires to each room. Can I make them usb plugs? Not sure so looking for ideas.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
Kevin
Hey guys...
We are replacing the heat pump and furnace this week and I will also need to replace my nest thermostat at the same time 'cause Nest is ending the cloud thing end of the month.
Anyway, I'm looking to use the
T6 Pro Z-Wave Programmable Thermostat | Smart Home | Honeywell HomeThat's what the heat pump installer recommend BUT, using Nest I was also using it to control the home humidifier using a single wire connected to nest... but no low voltage thermostat is able to do that, I checked all of them...
So I need some help on how I can do that, to connect the home humidifier using zwave also....
Hi
We are looking for a solution where we can detect presence of a «thing» (people , car , dog, cat, and more..
We need:
fast detections, 1-3 seconds in range from 0 to 20 m from «base» fysical «client» , chip , transmitter , unit. base , receiver placed at a door, gate, house, etc uniq Identifying wirelessThe client:
no need for pressing any thing (no buttons) battery , hoply 2-5 years battery time.Have someone done anything like this?
What technologi will be best?
Hey everyone, I'm currently working on developing a bed sensor that can detect when you're out of bed. It could be used to trigger other smart home gadgets, like lights or blinds, temperature etc.
The sensors are placed under the legs of your bed post. Should look and feel like "smart furniture pads" with size 2 inches in diameter and 1/4 inch thick.
Before we go any further, I'd love to get your thoughts on this - would a bed sensor like this be something you'd find useful? We're still in the early stages of development, so any feedback you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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@DesT, fenced code blocks display differently after the upgrade.
abc defThe above should display as abc and def on two separate lines. This works. But this fails:
verbose: true config: data: "auto"The above should display as three lines, verbose: true, config: and data: "auto", but this fails. In order to make it display properly, I now have to open the fenced code block with ```text (specify language, generic text). This displays without highlighting. The words yml and yaml (and the all-caps versions) don't seem to be recognized. I can also use js to get JavaScript highlighting, but this isn't great for YAML. Here's the same block with the language (text) specifier added (no other changes):
verbose: true config: data: "auto"Sure, we can start adding language specifiers to our new posts, but I suspect if we start digging around old posts, we're going to find a lot of broken display of the fenced code blocks (plain ``` at the start with no language specifier) in the thousands of old posts in these forums, upon which people still rely for answers and information.
Log file snippets also get similarly brutalized:
[###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.683Z <ZWaveJSController:NOTICE> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs added file logger to zwavejs.log [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.747Z <ZWaveJSController:WARN> zwavejs_capabilities defines x_zwave_device_cfg, which is not consistent with the recommended naming [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.747Z <ZWaveJSController:WARN> zwavejs_capabilities defines x_zwave_mfg_spec, which is not consistent with the recommended naming [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.747Z <ZWaveJSController:WARN> zwavejs_capabilities defines x_zwave_device_ver, which is not consistent with the recommended naming [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.747Z <ZWaveJSController:WARN> zwavejs_capabilities defines x_zwave_values, which is not consistent with the recommended naming [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.837Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs connecting to ws://192.168.0.10:3000 [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.874Z <ZWaveJSController:NOTICE> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs connected [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.874Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs sending connection initialization [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.931Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs greeting from server: [Object]{ "type": "version", "driverVersion": "10.16.0", "serverVersion": "1.28.0", "homeId": 3631280043, "minSchemaVersion": 0, "maxSchemaVersion": 28 } [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:51.932Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs performing initial inventory [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:52.325Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs manufacturer-specific data for 134 (AEON Labs) from package ver 22315.1 [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:52.328Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs configuring node 1 endpoint 0 (entity "1-0") [###BUILDVERSION###]2023-04-26T19:41:52.339Z <ZWaveJSController:INFO> ZWaveJSController#zwavejs manufacturer-specific data for 543 (Elexa Consumer Products Inc.)I think this is going to be a problem. Is there a way in NodeBB to configure the default language for fenced code block markdown for the entire forum so that these display more as they did before the upgrade?
EDIT: Examples below of old posts with corrupt formatting now:
https://smarthome.community/topic/1101/dynamic-groups-controller-filter-expressions
https://smarthome.community/post/11362
This last old post is interesting, because the first block displays incorrectly, but the second block is OK. In playing around, there seem to be triggering character sequences, suggesting that the markdown processor is trying to "guess" the language but not getting it right, perhaps:
https://smarthome.community/post/11332
The Home Automation Controller Pyramid
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Vera’s zwave is a mess and I’m giving them a compliment.
I still think the idea behind Vera was good, the execution made it what it is. With more attention to details and the ability to really fix bugs, it could have been a good solution.I still want a plug and play solution with easy customization, but maybe we’re just at the beginning and this market needs to reach its peak to become more mainstream.
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The closest to a plug and play local all in one is probably Hubitat at this point but they have their limitations in each area. For a large system with a lot of plugins, it seems like the RAM and CPU on their unit is a limiter.
Home Assistant is also going through some strange strategic changes and is really not plug and play... though that's what they aim towards but the rate of breaking changes and tedious "templating" for automation has me much prefer openLuup at this point. It is a bit of pitching lua vs. python+yaml... -
haha... yeah and for the foreseeable future. I just started learning a little python because all the machine learning libraries seem to have a python API so it makes things much easier... But for home automation, I for one am way too invested in lua and two, don't see python as being suitable... which is, I am guessing, why Home Assistant has supplemented it with yaml. Gosh and I am not even a coder/developer by trade... I just am enjoying the learning.
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to be fair, ezlo seems to have implemented Zwave (and Zigbee) stack in a modern way. but I'm not convinced at all by their new programming environment. they're adopting an approach very similar to HA's, where you can launch scripts to intercept events, instead of having services always executing. So, openluup it's probably the safest bet in terms of features and stability for luup refugees.
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and yes, I don't like python neither. I learned LUA quite easily (being a dev for the latest 25 years helped) and I was really tempted to build my own engine running C# (on Linux, it's xplat now thanks to .NET Core) at some point, and move all my logic there, and use some hub just to send ZWave commands. I have already tons of code doing integrations with Vera, MiLight, OpenSprinkler, MQTT running in my own C# service, but it was just for fun.
The real problem is more about building a compelling UI, today, and offer side services (Alexa/GoogleHome, remote access, etc) than anything else.
A couple of friends approached me (because you know, home automation addiction has grown in me) because they wanted to build something and I always told them to not do anything like I did, because it needs maintenance. I dream of a day when we'll get a real plug&play system. We're not there, clearly. -
@therealdb said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
to be fair, ezlo seems to have implemented Zwave (and Zigbee) stack in a modern way.
But what they (appear) to be shipping a beta seems way too immature. When would you think there's a production product? Feels to me like 2021 some time?
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@CatmanV2 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
But what they (appear) to be shipping a beta seems way too immature. When would you think there's a production product? Feels to me like 2021 some time?
yes. current system is barely usable. They are targeting next September, and they can improve fast, because they want to release a new build every 2 weeks. The real problem is their priorities: in order to migrate, you have to unpair and pair again all your devices. It's impossible for me (70+ devices, sometimes buried into boxes I really don't know where, since they were first installed by my electricians when building the house) and for many more people.
The concerning problem is that it's quite impossible for them to have plug-ins ready, because their new runtime is completely different and porting is not easy. But from a Zwave standpoint, they seem to have learned the lesson, by decoupling devices from implementation, and by allowing device definition to be updated separately. We'll see, it's probably too early and a lot of customers will migrate to anything better when the product will be really ready. -
@therealdb said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
next September
2020 or 2021? 2021 seems more likely. Short sprints only means lots of progress if you're actually capable of writing code. Given the number of recurring issues, this seems something that may be beyond them.
And who's going to hang around for 2021?C
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@rafale77 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
I just started learning a little python because all the machine learning libraries seem to have a python API so it makes things much easier... But for home automation, I for one am way too invested in lua and two, don't see python as being suitable...
My view entirely! Python is a huge language compared to Lua. Its real plus is the vast number of libraries, but the huge minus is the size of the system. Parts of openLuup (the Historian's
graphite_cgimodule, and theWhisperdatabase were translated from Graphite's Python code, so I had to learn it a bit.@CatmanV2 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
I think part of the problem is that there are too many standards to chose from.
Indeed... always the problem with 'Standards'.
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@rafale77 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
all the machine learning libraries seem to have a python API so it makes things much easier...
Yes, that seems to be the case. One AI application I use applies neural nets to image processing for astro-photography.
However...
... another big project at the moment (which has been on the “to do” list for a very long time), is a Prolog interpreter (written in Lua, of course.) I’m currently catching up on the last 30 year’s worth of scientific papers in the field of logic and constraint programming. Recently came across a 2017 paper outlining, what I consider to be, a real breakthrough in implementing the Prolog language, so that’s where my time is going.
If it all turns out well, it may even be included as an openLuup plugin! It also touches on this project...
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@therealdb said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
to be fair, ezlo seems to have implemented Zwave (and Zigbee) stack in a modern way. but I'm not convinced at all by their new programming environment. they're adopting an approach very similar to HA's, where you can launch scripts to intercept events, instead of having services always executing. So, openluup it's probably the safest bet in terms of features and stability for luup refugees.
More modern way than vera, no question. Anything else would have been pretty difficult to do but from my observation has been that they are still basing a lot of their focus on addressing the vera problems... which are very vera centric and no other platform has: They still want to go after devices one by one rather than look at zwave command class overall. I heard from other device vendors that they want to charge them to test their devices. They appear to be looking at a very closed and controlled device support environment and the whole idea of having a collocated mesh of controllers connected over IP as I discussed back at the old place displays their ignorance of how Zwave works. Again it is focused on fixing vera problems no other zwave system has, in a complicated way, "vera style".
But what made me walk away is the significant downgrade in the hardware vs. vera. A huge disappointment showing clearly that they tried to use the cheapest possible, ignoring reliability and future scalability (the i/o capability ranging from the bus to the ethernet chipset and the grade of the cpu and memory silicon are all downgraded vs the vera plus) and second the huge changes in the API which I felt was unnecessary and requiring a lot of work to adjust to the discontinuity to adopt something which is unreliable, not as mature in terms of feature and absolutely less scalable than what we have while many other solutions are available on the market. What is the point? They also seem to insisted on building their firmware backwards starting from the bling bling, eye candies at the top of the pyramid from 2 years ago and only now working on the core base which of course will delay everything because of the dependencies. They also definitely have gone cloud first which will makes the vision of having a cloud independent system much more challenging to implement. So indeed lots of pain (exclude include), lots of changes (plugins and API), to downgrade a system (hardware) to get a less reliable and scalable system which for now remains cloud dependent... no thank you. In comparison my migration to zway on openluup, though not plug and play involved none of the exclusion/inclusion, very few plugin and no API changes to get to much more scalable system on my own hardware (which I can later upgrade and move around) and has been cloud independent from day 1. It is much faster, more reliable, more integrated and scalable than ezlo can ever be.What they should have done was to put design a core firmware from the beginning (the base of the pyramid), release it on a much more modern and scalable hardware (something like an atomic pi or an nvidia jetson, or even stay on the vera plus hardware rather than a $7 board used for middle school lego projects), put all these UI and mobile app work on the back-burner and put their efforts on making the core radio control stack work on the same API as vera (put the second layer on top of the base of the pyramid). Then work on migrating all the existing plugin and integrations. These should have been done last year... and now they could have had a product upon which they could build further integrations, UI and mobile app at their leisure, having migrated over the existing vera customer base. They are currently a competitor for no one... though they see themselves as being competitors to even this forum which sells nothing... I have not followed any of their progress but really have lost interest since I felt they were heading full speed towards a dead end.
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@akbooer said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
@rafale77 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
all the machine learning libraries seem to have a python API so it makes things much easier...
Yes, that seems to be the case. One AI application I use applies neural nets to image processing for astro-photography.
However...
... another big project at the moment (which has been on the “to do” list for a very long time), is a Prolog interpreter (written in Lua, of course.) I’m currently catching up on the last 30 year’s worth of scientific papers in the field of logic and constraint programming. Recently came across a 2017 paper outlining, what I consider to be, a real breakthrough in implementing the Prolog language, so that’s where my time is going.
If it all turns out well, it may even be included as an openLuup plugin! It also touches on this project...
That would be awesome, I am myself thinking about eventually getting some of the video processing working directly on openLuup rather than going through home assistant...
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@CatmanV2 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
2020 or 2021? 2021 seems more likely. Short sprints only means lots of progress if you're actually capable of writing code. Given the number of recurring issues, this seems something that may be beyond them.
- Short sprints mean more bugs for sure, but better ability to fix them as well. I prefer over the previous approach, we'll see.
@rafale77 said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
What they should have done was to put design a core firmware from the beginning
we all know. I was just reporting that they did a good thing. It doesn't mean that the results will be enough, or in time to retain theri customer base.
Openluup seems to be the best viable solution for a smooth transition.
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It’s doable when you have engineers focused on things. I build complex systems for a living and with talented people you can write a lot of things in two months. Plus, it’s difficult to start. Once you have a codebase, bugs can be closed fast and features can be added easily.
I’m generalizing and I’m not sure they will, but, I’ll repeat myself, it’s doable. I think next two weeks they’re gonna release a lot of new features. The problem is some parts of their design choices are questionable, as @rigpapa already suggested in the old place. -
@therealdb said in The Home Automation Controller Pyramid:
It’s doable when you have engineers focused on things. I build complex systems for a living and with talented people you can write a lot of things in two months. Plus, it’s difficult to start. Once you have a codebase, bugs can be closed fast and features can be added easily.
I’m generalizing and I’m not sure they will, but, I’ll repeat myself, it’s doable. I think next two weeks they’re gonna release a lot of new features. The problem is some parts of their design choices are questionable, as @rigpapa already suggested in the old place.Oh for sure. I absorb(ed) the product for years. Yes it's hard to start, but if I was sitting in show and tell and hearing that feedback I'd be 'doubtful'
We shall see
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Hi @rafale77,
Thanks for the diagram, it's helpful. But can you maybe tell me some more on the integration of Hubitat and Openluup? What is the best way to do it? I'm considering the move away from Vera, but don't know what to choose yet, Zway or Hubitat. Zway seems an easier migration, but Hubitat seems a great and easy all-in solution.
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Hubitat will give you access to both zigbee and zwave but there is no bridge for it on openluup. This would mean that you would have to start everything from scratch and redo all of your home automation and go through a new learning curve. I have a few friends who run it and are reasonably happy with it. It isn't without its own minor quirks and is a relatively closed environment. It definitely isn't open source. A number of users have integrated it with home assistant to overcome some of its limitations and then used node-red on top for full control (thus completing the pyramid)
If you have devoted a lot your time developing your system, on vera then you are much better off with openLuup/ z-way which has very little learning curve except for the initial installation, which is more linux learning than anything, offers more flexibility and allows you to migrate all your scenes and plugins over to openLuup.
