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[Reactor] Help with screne controller cycling logic
therealdbT
I’ve added a couple of Shelly Wave i4 as scene controllers and I’m planning to add more, since I can just use standard buttons instead of battery-powered scene controllers, which also looks better aesthetically. That said, I’m struggling to figure out how to write a simple rule that cycles between states every time I press a button. Example: Light 1 ON → OFF, then Light 2 ON → OFF. The part I can’t get right is handling the case where Light 1 or Light 2 might already be ON independently of the rule. Maybe it’s just too much sun and relaxation clouding my brain, but any hint would be appreciated.
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Stop the MSR by an external switch on Hubitat.
wmarcolinW
Use case: When performing home maintenance, such as air conditioning, I want all rules involving air conditioning to be disabled. To do this, to day, I have a virtual switch that I placed within all rules involving air conditioning, meaning that if I turn it off, none of them work. Then another situation: the water pump system and garden irrigation, another switch. In short, I had to create several virtual switches in Hubitat to disable rules in MSR. Unfortunately, however, I was unable to cover all scenarios, so I wondered if it would be possible for MSR to support a virtual MSR switch, which, when configured in the reactor settings, would function as a general on/off switch for MSR. If it is configured and turned off, the entire rules and actions in MSR stops working, except for the status change reading process, specifically for this switch, which, when turned on, would restart the MSR. Would it be possible to do something like this? Any recommendations from the experts?
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[Reactor] Variables not updating correctly in latest-25201-2aa18550
therealdbT
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Expose MSR entities
CatmanV2C
Probably a really dumb question. Currently I am using the owntracks_sensor for tracking phones being in region in MSR and it works great. Digging around with Home Assistant and toying with some dashboards, is there any way of exposing that sensor to HA trivially? I could set MSR to trip a virtual switch in OpenLuup which can then be exposed to HA (with all my other Vera devices) but that feels a bit in-elegant if I can do it directly. Any thoughts? Apologies if the ask is not clear/ TIA C
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Comment in Globa Expressions
Tom_DT
I have several Global Expressions that are set by a rule so the definition area is blank. I'd like to add a comment in this area that explains what is setting the value. Commenting in this area breaks the remote setting. Any way to document what is setting the GE?
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Unofficial thread for compatibility
tunnusT
As there are statements about compatibility for home assistant versions in MSR new version announcements (e.g. "HassController: Bless Hass to 2025.7.3"), I thought it would be good idea to track other controllers as well. As an example, I can confirm that build "latest-25208-c53e8513" works with Hubitat Elevation C-8 platform version 2.4.2.134 using Maker API.
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Gradually turn on lights.
Tom_DT
I have several lights that I would like to turn on very gradually over 15 or 20 seconds. from 0 to .25 in .01 increments. I have tried a few things that came nowhere near working, so here I am.
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Can't customize home page
G
I foolishly let my system wipe all cookies this morning and with it my settings for my MSR home page. Once logged back in I can no longer remove errant panes nor is the + available to add new ones. Brave Browser v1.80.122 (Jul 16, 2025) What have I done?! Will check other browsers on my M1. UPDATE: Safari exhibits same behaviour. I've tried both sans last-four public key entry and with - no change.
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Error After Upgrade
T
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Reset attribute value of entity in event handler
R
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Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
T
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Way to search for rules (rule state) in other rules
T
@toggledbits, not sure if this is a feature request or I'm using the search tool wrong. You have a "Search for rule" in the Rules Set tab in MSR. It works nicely to find a rule and bring up said rule, but can it/could it be used for as a "where used?" global search? For instance, I have a fairly large set of rules, divided up into 10 different rulesets. There's easily a hundred individual rules, and many of the rules have Rule State triggers, which of course refer to other rules. Amongst my troubleshooting today, I came across what may have been a duplicate or troubleshooting attempt, but I can't tell if it's actually used as a Rule State in another rule without opening each rule that I suspect it may be a part of. Thanks.
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Links to MSR from HA
Tom_DT
I am using Home Assistant a lot recently. On a dashboard showing the devices, I would like to show a link to the MSR rule that controls the devices. Is there a way to link directly into MSR?
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Set Reaction > Script Action
wmarcolinW
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Errors after updating to MQTTController build 25139
tunnusT
I'm running MSR build 25139 on Docker, using MQTT controller 24293, and everything working as expected. But if I try to upgrade to MQTTController build 25139, I'm getting the following errors on MSR UI: An Entity Attribute condition in "Lay-Z-Spa auto heating off" (Terrace) failed because the referenced entity "Lay-Z-Spa States" (mqtt>layzspa_states) does not have attribute value_sensor.god Last 11:20:37 An Entity Attribute condition in "Lay-Z-Spa auto heating off" (Terrace) failed because the referenced entity "Lay-Z-Spa States" (mqtt>layzspa_states) does not have attribute temperature_sensor.green Last 11:20:37 An Entity Attribute condition in "Lay-Z-Spa filter pump auto off" (Terrace) failed because the referenced entity "Lay-Z-Spa States" (mqtt>layzspa_states) does not have attribute temperature_sensor.red Last 11:20:37 An Entity Attribute condition in "Lay-Z-Spa filter pump auto run" (Terrace) failed because the referenced entity "Lay-Z-Spa States" (mqtt>layzspa_states) does not have attribute value_sensor.pump Last 11:20:37 An Entity Attribute condition in "Lay-Z-Spa watchdog" (Terrace) failed because the referenced entity "Lay-Z-Spa States" (mqtt>layzspa_states) does not have attribute value_sensor.status Last 11:20:37 My MQTT configuration (local_mqtt_devices.yaml) for the related entity is: layzspa_message: type: ValueSensor capabilities: ["temperature_sensor", "value_sensor", "power_sensor"] primary_attribute: power_sensor.value events: "layzspa/message": "power_sensor.value": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.PWR )' expr: "float(payload.PWR)" "value_sensor.air": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.AIR )' expr: "float(payload.AIR)" "value_sensor.pump": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.FLT )' expr: "float(payload.FLT)" "value_sensor.god": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.GOD )' expr: "float(payload.GOD)" "value_sensor.lock": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.LCK )' expr: "float(payload.LCK)" "value_sensor.unit": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.UNT )' expr: "float(payload.UNT)" "value_sensor.error": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.ERR )' expr: "float(payload.ERR)" "temperature_sensor.green": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.GRN )' expr: "float(payload.GRN)" "temperature_sensor.red": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.RED )' expr: "float(payload.RED)" "temperature_sensor.target": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.TGT )' expr: "float(payload.TGT)" "temperature_sensor.value": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.TMP )' expr: "float(payload.TMP)" "temperature_sensor.virtual": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.VTM )' expr: "round(float(payload.VTM), 1)" "temperature_sensor.ambient": json_payload: true if_expr: '! isnull( payload?.AMB )' expr: "float(payload.AMB)" "layzspa/Status": "value_sensor.status": if_expr: '! isnull( payload )' expr: "payload" "layzspa/button": "value_sensor.button": if_expr: '! isnull( payload )' expr: "payload" and in reactor.yaml I have: "layzspa_states": name: "Lay-Z-Spa States" friendly_name: 'Lay-Z-Spa States' include: layzspa_message I realize my MQTT configuration might be a bit unorthodox, but could there still be something unintentional in the latest MQTTController build? If needed, I can provide detailed logs.
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🎉 My very first MSR controller: OpenSprinkler
therealdbT
Since today is my birthday - and I still pretend to be unconventional - I'm giving away a present to this wonderful community and I'm releasing my first OpenSprinkler controller for MSR. It was real fun to code it - and while it's still WIP, it seems to work OK for me. It's polling-based at the moment, but I'll add support for updates via MQTT very soon (it's already partially coded). Get it at (install is similar to MQTTController and such): https://github.com/dbochicchio/reactor-opensprinkler Feel free to try it. It's beta software, but it's stable. I'll update it weekly until all the tasks from my todo list are empty. Since I've learnt a lot from this controller, I'll explore new controllers soon.
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Advice reqeusted to migrate MSR from Bare Metal to Container
T
Good day all, I'm in the process of trying to shut down my 10 year old Linux home server that served many purposes, but primarily it's what I used for my NAS/Plex Media server. I migrated the NAS aspect of the server in November of last year to a true NAS solution (Ubiquti UNAS Pro), which is rack mount and much more efficient than my old tower, which it's only side benefit was heating my home office during the winter. Unfortunately it also means heating my home office during the summer, which were about to be in full swing. I have two things running on this 10 year old server at this point. MSR and pi-hole. I'm running Plex Media Server on Fedora Workstation in Podman on mini PC, which is much more energy efficient than my old tower. My next step is to migrate MSR. I know there are images of MSR out there, and creating it is well documented. I'm going to be using Podman instead of Docker for various reasons, but they work very similar. What I don't know, is what I need to do to migrate my existing Bare Metal installation over to a container. Has anyone done this? Any advice?
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Can´t restart or upgrade/deploy MSR
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[Solved] Limit HA Entity in MSR
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    CatmanV2
    wrote on last edited by CatmanV2
    #18

    Trying to follow the posting guidelines.....

      - id: mqqt
        enabled: true
        implementation: MQTTController
        name: Mosquito
        config:
          source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
          username: xxxxx 
          password: xxxxx
          entities:
            catman_iphone:
              name: "Catman Phone"
              topic: FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504
              uses_template: owntracks_in_region
    

    Claims to be valid YAML in https://yamlchecker.com/

    But when I add the last 4 lines to my reactor.yaml msr will not start:

    Reactor log stops:

    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 has shut down.
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <app:NOTICE> Closing Structure...
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Stopping controllers...
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <VeraController:NOTICE> VeraController#vera stopping
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.321Z <VeraController:ERR> Controller VeraController#vera is off-line!
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <MQTTController:NOTICE> MQTTController#mqqt stopping, sending LWT
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <DynamicGroupController:NOTICE> DynamicGroupController#groups stopping
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <DynamicGroupController:ERR> Controller DynamicGroupController#groups is off-line!
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <SystemController:NOTICE> SystemController#reactor_system stopping
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.371Z <SystemController:ERR> Controller SystemController#reactor_system is off-line!
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.372Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Final data sync...
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure Structure#1 stopped
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <app:NOTICE> Stopping timers...
    [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.380Z <app:NOTICE> Shutdown complete, process ID 27723
    

    As soon as I replace the original version of reactor.yaml

      - id: mqqt
        enabled: true
        implementation: MQTTController
        name: Mosquito
        config:
          source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
          username: xxxx 
          password: xxxx
    

    Everything springs to life.

    I can't see an error in my syntax. Do I need to have the region in there (although I've tried both with and without)

    It's going to be something obvious / stupid but hopefully I'm learning at least a little

    TIA

    C

    The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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    • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

      Trying to follow the posting guidelines.....

        - id: mqqt
          enabled: true
          implementation: MQTTController
          name: Mosquito
          config:
            source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
            username: xxxxx 
            password: xxxxx
            entities:
              catman_iphone:
                name: "Catman Phone"
                topic: FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504
                uses_template: owntracks_in_region
      

      Claims to be valid YAML in https://yamlchecker.com/

      But when I add the last 4 lines to my reactor.yaml msr will not start:

      Reactor log stops:

      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 has shut down.
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <app:NOTICE> Closing Structure...
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Stopping controllers...
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <VeraController:NOTICE> VeraController#vera stopping
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.321Z <VeraController:ERR> Controller VeraController#vera is off-line!
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <MQTTController:NOTICE> MQTTController#mqqt stopping, sending LWT
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <DynamicGroupController:NOTICE> DynamicGroupController#groups stopping
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <DynamicGroupController:ERR> Controller DynamicGroupController#groups is off-line!
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <SystemController:NOTICE> SystemController#reactor_system stopping
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.371Z <SystemController:ERR> Controller SystemController#reactor_system is off-line!
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.372Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Final data sync...
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure Structure#1 stopped
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <app:NOTICE> Stopping timers...
      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.380Z <app:NOTICE> Shutdown complete, process ID 27723
      

      As soon as I replace the original version of reactor.yaml

        - id: mqqt
          enabled: true
          implementation: MQTTController
          name: Mosquito
          config:
            source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
            username: xxxx 
            password: xxxx
      

      Everything springs to life.

      I can't see an error in my syntax. Do I need to have the region in there (although I've tried both with and without)

      It's going to be something obvious / stupid but hopefully I'm learning at least a little

      TIA

      C

      therealdbT Offline
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      therealdb
      wrote on last edited by
      #19

      @catmanv2 the logs are not complaining, so maybe the error was written before.

      values are escaped with " in the docs, give it a try (ie: "catman_iphone" and topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504")

      --
      On a mission to automate everything.

      My MS Reactor contrib
      My Luup Plug-ins

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      • CatmanV2C Offline
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        CatmanV2
        wrote on last edited by
        #20

        Thanks

        Tried

          entities:
                catman_iphone:
                  name: "Catman Phone"
                  topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                  uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                  regionName: Home
        

        and

          entities:
                "catman_iphone":
                  name: "Catman Phone"
                  topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                  uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                  regionName: Home
        

        With no discernible difference

        C

        The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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        • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

          Thanks

          Tried

            entities:
                  catman_iphone:
                    name: "Catman Phone"
                    topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                    uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                    regionName: Home
          

          and

            entities:
                  "catman_iphone":
                    name: "Catman Phone"
                    topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                    uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                    regionName: Home
          

          With no discernible difference

          C

          toggledbitsT Offline
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          toggledbits
          wrote on last edited by
          #21

          @catmanv2 Topics for me are not UUIDs, but rather the content of the Device ID field in the Identification section of the configuration. This is a value you set, not a value determined by OwnTracks. That's Android. I no longer have an Apple device I can use for this.

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                  owntracks_patrick_home_template:
                    name: "Patrick Home Template"
                    uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                    topic: phrs21
                    regionName: Home
          

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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          • MikeReadingtonM Offline
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            MikeReadington
            wrote on last edited by
            #22

            Thanks for all of the input.

            For whatever reason I am having the same spotty relationship with OwnTracks that @CatmanV2 has. One minute I think it's solved, the next minute it's missed a trigger.

            With the success others have had, including @gwp1 with the same method of deployment, I must have something wrong. I'll keep working on it as time permits.

            Thanks again

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            • MikeReadingtonM MikeReadington

              Thanks for all of the input.

              For whatever reason I am having the same spotty relationship with OwnTracks that @CatmanV2 has. One minute I think it's solved, the next minute it's missed a trigger.

              With the success others have had, including @gwp1 with the same method of deployment, I must have something wrong. I'll keep working on it as time permits.

              Thanks again

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              CatmanV2
              wrote on last edited by
              #23

              @mikereadington iPhone or Android?

              C

              The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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              • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

                @mikereadington iPhone or Android?

                C

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                MikeReadington
                wrote on last edited by
                #24

                @catmanv2 iPhone. I just returned home and it got a location trigger, but it was far from an instant trigger. The phone was in sleep for at least 30 minutes before I crossed the perimeter, and I would say the delay was in the area of 45 seconds.

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                • CatmanV2C Offline
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                  CatmanV2
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #25

                  45 seconds I can live with, personally but might not be right for your use case. (My fence is about 5km out)

                  The thing I'm struggling with right now is testing it. I think I need to cross the fence. Logically I make the region much smaller for testing purposes but other issues at work today.

                  C

                  The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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                  • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

                    45 seconds I can live with, personally but might not be right for your use case. (My fence is about 5km out)

                    The thing I'm struggling with right now is testing it. I think I need to cross the fence. Logically I make the region much smaller for testing purposes but other issues at work today.

                    C

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                    gwp1
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #26

                    @catmanv2 testing OwnTracks can be accomplished by changing from substantial to move in the app and then, well, moving.

                    *Hubitat C-7 2.4.2.129
                    *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

                    *HASS 2025.7.2
                    w/ ZST10-700 fw 7.18.3

                    *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
                    MSR: latest-25139-fbd67abc
                    MQTTController: 25139
                    ZWave Controller: 25139

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                    • G gwp1

                      @catmanv2 testing OwnTracks can be accomplished by changing from substantial to move in the app and then, well, moving.

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                      CatmanV2
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #27

                      @gwp1 said in iPhone location or alternative.:

                      @catmanv2 testing OwnTracks can be accomplished by changing from substantial to move in the app and then, well, moving.

                      Thanks, I can see the data arriving from Owntracks in Mosquitto (if you hit publish, for example) but what I can't do is get the MQQT entity to have anything but 'null' as its primary value. I can see MQQT is publishing to reactor as well, so confidence is reasonably high....

                      My "logic" is that MSR is looking for the 'Enter' or 'Leave' payload which you only get when you transition into / out of a region.

                      I was expecting to go somewhere today but the optician was ill and I've been tied up on calls and meetings all day so not had a chance to set a small region and wander up the road.

                      Of course my logic could be utterly wrong, but wanted to test it before asking for more help.

                      Because then I can save what little credibility I have and use it asking for help as to why the second phone (Mrs C's) doesn't have primary value. I found an error in the logs though which I'll dig at later

                      Cheers

                      C

                      The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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                      • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

                        45 seconds I can live with, personally but might not be right for your use case. (My fence is about 5km out)

                        The thing I'm struggling with right now is testing it. I think I need to cross the fence. Logically I make the region much smaller for testing purposes but other issues at work today.

                        C

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                        MikeReadington
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #28

                        @catmanv2 Yeah, my use case is a little more particular. I don't have an issue with never getting notification changes, they are just more delayed than I would like. I think once you get MQTT and MSR talking a 5km is going be more than relievable enough.

                        I had iPhone locator poll/force location refresh when I came in my driveway and triggered the magnetic sensor. I needed the location to be accurate and updated by the time I reached either my house or my building on property. The driveway is about 300m long as the crow flies for region radius purposes, and traversal to either location is much less than 45 seconds.

                        For what it is worth, I do see instant (and I mean instant instant) location changes like @therealdb and @gwp1 reported when the app is open or recently accessed. The delay seems to come from the app being backgrounded and the phone idle for a long period.

                        @gwp1 with HASS iCloud3, can you remote request a location refresh of the phone? Meaning, could I have polling suspended until I ask for an update? I think I could get exactly what I am looking for with a combination of the two and some MSR logic.

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                        • MikeReadingtonM MikeReadington

                          @catmanv2 Yeah, my use case is a little more particular. I don't have an issue with never getting notification changes, they are just more delayed than I would like. I think once you get MQTT and MSR talking a 5km is going be more than relievable enough.

                          I had iPhone locator poll/force location refresh when I came in my driveway and triggered the magnetic sensor. I needed the location to be accurate and updated by the time I reached either my house or my building on property. The driveway is about 300m long as the crow flies for region radius purposes, and traversal to either location is much less than 45 seconds.

                          For what it is worth, I do see instant (and I mean instant instant) location changes like @therealdb and @gwp1 reported when the app is open or recently accessed. The delay seems to come from the app being backgrounded and the phone idle for a long period.

                          @gwp1 with HASS iCloud3, can you remote request a location refresh of the phone? Meaning, could I have polling suspended until I ask for an update? I think I could get exactly what I am looking for with a combination of the two and some MSR logic.

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                          CatmanV2
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @mikereadington said in iPhone location or alternative.:

                          I had iPhone locator poll/force location refresh when I came in my driveway and triggered the magnetic sensor. I needed the location to be accurate and updated by the time I reached either my house or my building on property. The driveway is about 300m long as the crow flies for region radius purposes, and traversal to either location is much less than 45 seconds.

                          Given my thermostat has a 5 minute update. 45 seconds is just dandy.

                          The lights and so on are never going to be an issue.

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                            @catmanv2 Yeah, my use case is a little more particular. I don't have an issue with never getting notification changes, they are just more delayed than I would like. I think once you get MQTT and MSR talking a 5km is going be more than relievable enough.

                            I had iPhone locator poll/force location refresh when I came in my driveway and triggered the magnetic sensor. I needed the location to be accurate and updated by the time I reached either my house or my building on property. The driveway is about 300m long as the crow flies for region radius purposes, and traversal to either location is much less than 45 seconds.

                            For what it is worth, I do see instant (and I mean instant instant) location changes like @therealdb and @gwp1 reported when the app is open or recently accessed. The delay seems to come from the app being backgrounded and the phone idle for a long period.

                            @gwp1 with HASS iCloud3, can you remote request a location refresh of the phone? Meaning, could I have polling suspended until I ask for an update? I think I could get exactly what I am looking for with a combination of the two and some MSR logic.

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                            @mikereadington not an issue for me and my wife. Both set to significant, and I rarely open the app and I can say my wife is never opening it.

                            I’ll soon add beacons to my cars/motorcycle because home assistant has btle relay and I’ll go with esphome. It’s capable of moving btle messages to the central location and update corresponding device. Maybe it’s achievable for you too. My use case is to open/close my car gate automatically, but my driveway is short and I can place the gateway inside the house.

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                              @mikereadington not an issue for me and my wife. Both set to significant, and I rarely open the app and I can say my wife is never opening it.

                              I’ll soon add beacons to my cars/motorcycle because home assistant has btle relay and I’ll go with esphome. It’s capable of moving btle messages to the central location and update corresponding device. Maybe it’s achievable for you too. My use case is to open/close my car gate automatically, but my driveway is short and I can place the gateway inside the house.

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                              @therealdb wow, that is what I was just looking at beacons. Looks promising if they are reliable.

                              I don't have gates, but I would not mind a few automated defensive turrets.

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                                @therealdb wow, that is what I was just looking at beacons. Looks promising if they are reliable.

                                I don't have gates, but I would not mind a few automated defensive turrets.

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                                @mikereadington I tried beacons; was not successful.

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                                  The issue with IPhoneLocator happened to me a few months ago. @amg0 was away on vacation, and did comment that Apple may have changed the API, and it wasn’t well documented. A few days later, it started working again.

                                  The geofencing issues in Vera, along with Ezlo’s lack of geofencing, pushed me over the edge with Vera/Ezlo. I moved over to Home Assistant a few weeks ago, along with MSR, and overall it’s been much more stable. I’m also just using Home Assistant’s built in geofencing, and it’s working well.

                                  I still have Vera running, as I’m not 100% migrated, but I’m close.

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                                    Not sure if @gwp1 was trying the new support in HASS, but I'm leaning a link anyway https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ibeacon

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                                      So I now have two phones that appear to be working just fine in terms of the Owntracks notifications. Clearly it's early days but I wonder if some of the issues that I have perceived are that although Owntracks is reporting to MQQT almost instantly, the screen notifications are not...

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                                        Not sure if @gwp1 was trying the new support in HASS, but I'm leaning a link anyway https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ibeacon

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                                        @therealdb I was not - I will look into this.

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                                          I may have spoken too soon. Mrs C's phone still claims to not be home. I suspect a config error on the phone however given it triggered correctly when she left the region

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                                          I managed to pry her phone away and check the settings. Her region had vanished. I've seen this once on mine and assumed it was because we had the same RegionName (hence mine being Home2) but clearly not.

                                          Having re-created the region and published, the entity changed state as expected.

                                          The region was clearly there when she exited this morning (as the entity changed from 'null' to 'false') so this will need to be watched.

                                          Maybe it's just 'Home' it does not like as a region name <shrug>

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