Logon screen timeout

[cw-kid]

Schedule to turn on two side table lamps, 40 minutes before Sunset (everyday of the week) with some Constraints (Conditions) attached.

Condition 1 = Both lamps have to be off in the first place

AND

Condition 2 = A virtual switch called “Dark Mode” should be off

AND

Condition 3 = Vera is NOT in either house mode “away” OR “vacation”

I hope the screen shot is readable.

I am a Reactor luddite and just want to make sure I am getting things in the right order / areas of the rule.

Thanks

[Pabla]

Were you able to snag my answer on the Vera forum and give that a try?

[Matohl]

Yes, in a quick look it seems ok

[cw-kid]

@pabla said in Does this rule look correct ?:

Were you able to snag my answer on the Vera forum and give that a try?

I kinda missed it sorry.

You are nesting different rules under one main sensor ?

This rule just fired as per the sunset -40 time now and it did turn on the lamps OK.

[Pabla]

Yes basically your set-up works fine. Was just recommending simplifying it down a bit for future scalability so you're not flooded with a bunch of different groups and activities.

[cw-kid]

Please can you post your screen shot again so I can have a proper look at it.

So the term "Sensor" in Reactor is the same as "Rule Set" in MSR ?

[cw-kid]

@pabla said in Does this rule look correct ?:

so you're not flooded with a bunch of different groups and activities.

So can a Group created in one rule be used again in a different rule ?

[Pabla]

I don't think I am at a trust level to attached a pic right now, I will try PMing you a pic on Vera forums on the mean time.

I believe a Sensor is the same as a rule set in MSR, I have not played with it yet. If you plan on using the sunset condition as a trigger for other activities, you can keep that in its' own rule set.

Edit: got the pic

[Pabla]

@cw-kid said in Does this rule look correct ?:

@pabla said in Does this rule look correct ?:

so you're not flooded with a bunch of different groups and activities.

So can a Group created in one rule be used again in a different rule ?

If MSR is set-up similarily to Vera then yes you can reference another "Group" or "Rule Set" instead of having to create it again

[cw-kid]

I can't see a way to add a "Group" I already created in to a new Rule.

However I can see something called "Rule Result"

So I created a new Rule with just a trigger for Sunset -40 nothing else.

Then in my Lounge Lamps on rule I can select Rule Result and select the rule "Sunset -40" is True

[Pabla]

@cw-kid Ok then I guess Groups and Rule Sets arent exactly the same. You can still nestle all the other conditions into one Rule Set though for simplicity's sake.

Yes that is how I expect Rule Result to work. You can use this rule without having to re-create the same conditions every time.

[cw-kid]

@pabla said in Does this rule look correct ?:

Yes that is how I expect Rule Result to work. You can use this rule without having to re-create the same conditions every time

Yes that makes sense for Triggers.

@pabla said in Does this rule look correct ?:

You can still nestle all the other conditions into one Rule Set though for simplicity's sake

I'm not sure how to do that for constraints though.

If you look at my first screen shot above in the Constraints area, they are all my conditions.

So if those particular set of conditions I wanted to use again else where, your saying I could potentially create a new rule with just those conditions or constraints in that rule.

And then maybe reference them in another different new rule.

EDIT: Unless I made the primary template rule lets call it, if I put my constraints in to the triggers area of that rule instead.

I could then call that primary template rule from other rules using the "Rule Results" option.

If that makes sense, probably not LOL.

[toggledbits]

Please note that Pabla is making a recommendation for Vera Reactor, and cw-kid is asking a question about MSR.

[Pabla]

@toggledbits said in Does this rule look correct ?:

Please note that Pabla is making a recommendation for Vera Reactor, and cw-kid is asking a question about MSR.

Yes I think I am in over my head here, thought MSR was closer related to the Vera plugin.. I think you are on the right track though

[cw-kid]

Yes I know he's talking about Reactor for Vera.

But I'm just looking around the MSR GUI to see if some of the concepts he is recommended are possible and available in MSR also.

[Pabla]

If I am understanding this correctly @toggledbits a Reactor Sensor = Rule Set, Group = Triggers and Constraints. Otherwise its very similar to the Vera Reactor? Sorry @cw-kid for high-jacking

[cw-kid]

You can say anything you like on any of my threads mate.

[toggledbits]

Pretty much all spot on. @Pabla I think there's enough of the Vera Reactor flavor for you to be comfortable once you start playing with it. The big differences are coming out in this thread. No ReactorSensors, but you can use Rule Sets to organize your rules. No activities (reactions in MSR) on groups, but you can make active groups into rules so they can have reactions. This is one of the big things the importer does... it scans through your ReactorSensor data finding groups that have activities and turns them into independent rules, leaving an MSR rule condition where the group was to preserve the logic (analogous to a Group State condition in Vera Reactor, as if you had moved the group elsewhere). The other big difference is the addition of Constraints as a passive filter. I say passive because changes in the conditions under Constraints can't initiate action in the rule; only a change in the state of Triggers does that. But all of the alternative tools one would use to get the same effect in Vera Reactor (e.g. sequencing option) are still there.

@cw-kid, I definitely think you're getting the hang of it.

[cw-kid]

Looks like you can do what I said.

I have created some "Global Rules"

One for "Night" which I've set as Civil Dusk till Civil Dawn

In another rule I can add it as a "Rule Result" within the Constrains (Conditions) area of that rule.

I think that should work then.

[Pabla]

@cw-kid Exactly! This way if you want to change Civil Dusk to be -30 mins or whatever it will update across all your Rule Sets!