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Rule condition shows TRUE in UI but Rule never transitions to SET — survives full restart
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Build: latest-26221-b25bb3e3, Docker on Synology. Hi, I have a Rule whose Trigger/Constraints reference other Rules via Rule State ... is TRUE. At some point it stops firing. Expanding the rule's condition tree in the UI shows every Trigger and Constraint condition green/TRUE — confirmed live by walking into the room and watching Motion go true in real time. Rule History shows no new SET, just old reset entries. Tried, on the same rule, same evening: recreating the trigger conditions with fresh IDs, recreating the constraint conditions with fresh IDs (flat and wrapped in a new Group — wrapping in a Group produced one SET, but it didn't reproduce on repeat attempts with the same structure), and finally a full container restart with a verified-correct saved rule. Still no SET, even with a fresh live motion event right after the restart. Separately, I found that this rule (and its 10 per-room clones) share identical internal condition/group IDs with each other — leftover from a batch clone done months ago, never regenerated. Not sure if that's related, since fixing the IDs didn't reliably fix the symptom either. Has anyone seen a Rule State condition show TRUE in the UI without the Rule ever producing a SET, surviving a clean restart? Thanks in advance
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MSR Backup

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    LibraSun
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    I've transcoded about 60% of my old RFV (Reactor for Vera) routines over to MSR -- BY HAND (since no backup/restore facility yet present for us Synology NAS / Docker users) -- and it's going swimmingly. As I've encountered any surprises, Patrick has been swift to educate me (and I, in turn, hopefully many others) on usage as well as iron out any kinks.

    Naturally, I look forward to testing out the Backup/Restore feature, but for now, I've found it infinitely more gratifying to steadily DISABLE old RFV Reactors (of which I had 8 running) one-by-one. I'd like to believe this will not only offload some of the burden on poor ol' Vera's processor, but also lessen the chances of her rebooting (holding steady now at around 1-2 unanticipated Luup reboots daily), down from a guaranteed 3-4 per day last month. Most reboots were associated with multi-step reactions involving 10-20 steps, no matter how many 1- or 2-second delays I sprinkled throughout..

    We shall see with MSR! High hopes!!

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    • LibraSunL LibraSun

      I've transcoded about 60% of my old RFV (Reactor for Vera) routines over to MSR -- BY HAND (since no backup/restore facility yet present for us Synology NAS / Docker users) -- and it's going swimmingly. As I've encountered any surprises, Patrick has been swift to educate me (and I, in turn, hopefully many others) on usage as well as iron out any kinks.

      Naturally, I look forward to testing out the Backup/Restore feature, but for now, I've found it infinitely more gratifying to steadily DISABLE old RFV Reactors (of which I had 8 running) one-by-one. I'd like to believe this will not only offload some of the burden on poor ol' Vera's processor, but also lessen the chances of her rebooting (holding steady now at around 1-2 unanticipated Luup reboots daily), down from a guaranteed 3-4 per day last month. Most reboots were associated with multi-step reactions involving 10-20 steps, no matter how many 1- or 2-second delays I sprinkled throughout..

      We shall see with MSR! High hopes!!

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      @librasun how are you monitoring how many Luup reloads Vera is doing per day?

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      • LibraSunL LibraSun

        I've transcoded about 60% of my old RFV (Reactor for Vera) routines over to MSR -- BY HAND (since no backup/restore facility yet present for us Synology NAS / Docker users) -- and it's going swimmingly. As I've encountered any surprises, Patrick has been swift to educate me (and I, in turn, hopefully many others) on usage as well as iron out any kinks.

        Naturally, I look forward to testing out the Backup/Restore feature, but for now, I've found it infinitely more gratifying to steadily DISABLE old RFV Reactors (of which I had 8 running) one-by-one. I'd like to believe this will not only offload some of the burden on poor ol' Vera's processor, but also lessen the chances of her rebooting (holding steady now at around 1-2 unanticipated Luup reboots daily), down from a guaranteed 3-4 per day last month. Most reboots were associated with multi-step reactions involving 10-20 steps, no matter how many 1- or 2-second delays I sprinkled throughout..

        We shall see with MSR! High hopes!!

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        @librasun Same here, I have now transferred all my old Reactor routines from Vera and it is looking good. The old ones in Vera are now disabled and they are actually running on my RPi4 as the production unit for my home, although @toggledbits sais you should not :). Forward to the HA integration

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        • MatohlM Matohl

          @librasun Same here, I have now transferred all my old Reactor routines from Vera and it is looking good. The old ones in Vera are now disabled and they are actually running on my RPi4 as the production unit for my home, although @toggledbits sais you should not :). Forward to the HA integration

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          @matohl said in MSR Backup:

          although @toggledbits sais you should not 🙂

          Hey, I just dont want to the cause of any reduction in WAF. 😉

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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            @librasun how are you monitoring how many Luup reloads Vera is doing per day?

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            @cw-kid said in MSR Backup:

            @librasun how are you monitoring how many Luup reloads Vera is doing per day?

            I've long had a Reactor (for Vera) routine in place which sends me a robust email message (generated with nesting text substitutions, lol) via SMTP, advising me that Luup engine last restart time had changed == reboot. In turn, that fact is monitored by plugin SYSTEM MONITOR.

            Now, that routine lives in MSR, but only says very little, just that Vera Luup had restarted. Helps me cross-reference whatever I was doing (usually the night before, or in the wee hours) that caused the problem ... which is usually nothing on my part!

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              @matohl said in MSR Backup:

              although @toggledbits sais you should not 🙂

              Hey, I just dont want to the cause of any reduction in WAF. 😉

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              LibraSun
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              @toggledbits said in MSR Backup:

              @matohl said in MSR Backup:

              although @toggledbits sais you should not 🙂

              Hey, I just dont want to the cause of any reduction in WAF. 😉

              Speaking of WAF, I once made a sincere recommendation to Mr. M back at MCV that they NOT allow one-touch activation of On/Off devices, like lights, on the main screen of the Vera Mobile app.

              Why? BECAUSE OF WAF who doesn't wanna be woken up because I tapped her reading lamp on while trying to adjust the thermostat from my smartphone!

              He, not grasping the implications, make some snippy remark instead of saying thanks for the feedback.

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              • LibraSunL LibraSun

                @cw-kid said in MSR Backup:

                @librasun how are you monitoring how many Luup reloads Vera is doing per day?

                I've long had a Reactor (for Vera) routine in place which sends me a robust email message (generated with nesting text substitutions, lol) via SMTP, advising me that Luup engine last restart time had changed == reboot. In turn, that fact is monitored by plugin SYSTEM MONITOR.

                Now, that routine lives in MSR, but only says very little, just that Vera Luup had restarted. Helps me cross-reference whatever I was doing (usually the night before, or in the wee hours) that caused the problem ... which is usually nothing on my part!

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                @librasun said in MSR Backup:

                Now, that routine lives in MSR

                What trigger do you use? Where to find it?

                I'd like to setup a similar rule.

                Thanks

                EDIT

                This trigger appears to be working. With no additional plugin or expression needed.

                Screenshot_20210316_234629.jpg

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                    I found a native MSR trigger see edit above.

                    No additional plugin or expression needed.

                    On average what would be the number of Luup reloads per day?

                    This is probably a bad idea and not good for my OCD to be monitoring this.

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                    • cw-kidC cw-kid

                      I found a native MSR trigger see edit above.

                      No additional plugin or expression needed.

                      On average what would be the number of Luup reloads per day?

                      This is probably a bad idea and not good for my OCD to be monitoring this.

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                      @cw-kid said in MSR Backup:

                      I found a native MSR trigger see edit above.

                      No additional plugin or expression needed.

                      Bravo! Even though I saw that the other day and taken notice, I'd completely forgotten about it, lol. Thanks for the pro tip!!

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                      • cw-kidC cw-kid

                        I found a native MSR trigger see edit above.

                        No additional plugin or expression needed.

                        On average what would be the number of Luup reloads per day?

                        This is probably a bad idea and not good for my OCD to be monitoring this.

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                        @cw-kid it should be zero, if you don’t touch scenes/code/devices. I’m now at 1 every 5-6 days, unless I’m adding devices or editing code.

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