Not so quiet around here :)
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@elcid said in Not so quiet around here :
Just for info - I have no idea what the reason for my suspension
Its bonkers, when did you get suspended then?
So you have not been a rebel on the forum? Seems you can get banned for any reason. Top people being kicked off.
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@librasun said in Not so quiet around here :
I have the long list of banned Forum members but it has grown since Feb. 27 when I made it.
It starts... "ElCid, HSD99, Matteburk, Mai_Pensato, Crille, eonnet, hienry_k9, Forzaalfa, TomD, LibraSun, Shoktronic, DesT, Catman, kfxo, Pabla, slelieveld, akbooer, rafale77, matsohl, tunnus..."
Wow, have to say I’m in a good company
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Elcidreplied to cw-kid on Mar 10, 2021, 10:36 PM last edited by Elcid Mar 10, 2021, 5:38 PM
@cw-kid I have not been able to login since the 28/03.
As to rebel, just a little more blunt than you. As I see it someone was on a purge.
Shame they are purging people that help others, specially vera support, still plenty of support here though. -
I've spoken to him at length this evening in PM and told him in my blunt way, at this rate there won't be any experts left on the forum.
Can't say I'm happy about some of the names recently gone either.
Apparently it was over whatever was said between you two in that thread about previous forum members being banned.
That thread should of been shut down well before now and what was said about it all was said back then at the time, Good or bad, right or wrong, it doesn't help anyone to keep going over it all.
I'd stopped reading that thread as I was tired of the drama so I was avoiding that thread.
Told him you were one of our top coding experts and you'd helped a lot and other Vera users on the forum and that I'd not seen you speak out of turn on any other threads that I have seen.
Also suggested he should not get so engaged with it all and let some of it go.
But I can see both sides and some of his concerns also.
But what can you do. Both sides have done things to upset the other.
I know he wasn't happy about the PM that apparently went round promoting this néw forum. Not sure if I got that PM can't remember.
I think he feels you are all against the Ezlo platform and its future success and you just want your Vera firmware as is, to hack.
I think he thinks this forum and its users are a competitor and I can't really see how as the Vera firmware is legacy anyway now and you here are not a corporate entity
It's his sand pit to play with at the end of the day.
So what can you do. I'm keeping an open mind. If the Ezlo hubs are decent when ready I'll use them as a radio only or maybe with their own dashboard app and engine.
If not I'll look else where. We have MSR now and I am running a killer Home Remote dashboard app right now, which does support other platforms.
Z-Wave.me Z-Way some of you are already using might be a good replacement.
Time will tell as Bob Marley once said. Peace go smoke some
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I actually DID make an earnest attempt to CLOSE that ridiculous thread in mid-stride, but M. forced me to re-open it, so the argument could continue. Which it did for another 3-4 days before he himself closed it.
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@cw-kid said in Not so quiet around here :
I think he feels you are all against the Ezlo platform and its future success and you just want your Vera firmware as is, to hack.
I think he thinks this forum and its users are a competitor and I can't really see how as the Vera firmware is legacy anyway now and you here are not a corporate entity
I just find it funny how Melih thinks we are trying to hack Vera when its legacy now. What difference does it make if a Vera is 'hacked'? If anything it may even attract more users since they have a platform they can change to their liking.
Second how are we competitors, like it was mentioned on this forum theres nothing here that you can buy. Its just DIY stuff that experienced users can set up, I can't even set up OpenLuup. I am just here cause id rather be posting in a neutral space with no crazy guy attacking people that helped more than he could have.
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@cw-kid said in Not so quiet around here :
you just want your Vera firmware as is, to hack.
Dear god no!
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@cw-kid
I am not that bothered about it. I am not against ezlo, the plus i have shows future promise, but is still beta. My posts in that thread were to point out that who ever is doing the banning is being unfair, as you said yourself, 1000 year suspension is not a suspension, and no form of appeal. As to hacking vera, i think that ezlo has done nothing for vera users over last 2/3 years, it would have been nice if ezlo had upgraded the vera skill, for alex/google, when they brought the ezlo skill up to date. Would of been simple to use what they learnt bring the ezlo skill upto date, and applied that to the vera skill, as they were actively still selling vera units. As you say it's his sandbox and he may foul it if he wishes, the man is delusional. -
rafale77replied to cw-kid on Mar 11, 2021, 4:25 PM last edited by rafale77 Mar 11, 2021, 12:53 PM
Been trying to refrain myself from replying but here we go...
Instead of repeating what I have said in the past, my view is that ezlo and its leader have a very different view of the market and possibly do not understand what they bought by merging vera.But the basics are:
"But what can you do. Both sides have done things to upset the other."
Sorry but one has to put the context as to who is who back in place here. There is no circumstance under which a business owner should ever treat their customers this way. For anyone running a business, if a customer is upset, you should first asking why. Instead the guy keeps doing what upsets his customers and starts insulting and calling them names. That's unprofessional and unheard of."I think he feels you are all against the Ezlo platform and its future success and you just want your Vera firmware as is, to hack."
Again, instead of feeling this way, he should be asking why? Being the one who tore down the firmware down to the OS level, I think I can speak of it. Certainly "as is" is incorrect. The whys:
- Because it's broken
- Most of the fixes are trivial
- They significantly improve the vera
- They are not fixing it themselves.
Now on the understanding of this home automation market. If you run a market survey, you will see that the vast majority if not all platforms today rely to various degree on community development of external integration, cloud or local, and run on increasingly more powerful hardware. When they bought vera, they inherited a community, a small remnant of hardcore users who have extended the life of the vera to its limits trying to maintain the platform on par with the competition but still somewhat behind. A large number of people have already jumped ship quietly. The most vocal people on the forum are the most loyal supporters of the platform and many stay because of the technical migration barrier to other platforms. I think we were all excited about the prospective of a new hub and an updated platform. I was all in. There are however two bare minimum critical requirements to a new hub:
- Functional equivalency, including all the integrations the plugins supported
- An ease of migration from a vera installation to the new hub.
Sadly what I have observed is a complete disdain of these basic requirements and a development strategy aiming straight down the toilet (excessive focus on mobile app and cloud base processing, disregard of the critical wireless stacks and repeat of past mistakes in conception of the API) while the current product gets increasingly far behind competitive platforms, including open source ones. I kept an open mind, not being an expert on the software side but expressing a lot of concerns. The increasing amount of spamming of the forum with "exciting breakthroughs" and "pure innovations" of things the community has been able to do and better/faster/simpler for years combined with the release of an underwhelming hardware for the new controller, clearly pointing to a focus on minimum cost at the compromise of extendibility and reliability and you can clearly see my disappointment. That was the last straw for me. I predicted last year that the platform would not be ready in a year because of their approach... look at where they are now.
In the meantime, I have moved my zwave network to z-way. Stunningly, the migration is easier than to go from vera to ezlo and it felt like jumping from the stone age to science fiction. Everything became lighning fast... All my secure class problems and latency issues gone. I can no longer find any unsupported devices... etc... And all of my previous integrations are retained and more. So yeah I can see why he is upset but he can only be so at himself. Taking it out on his most loyal customers is... well you're the judge.
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