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Possible mismatch between binary_sensor in HA and MSR
CatmanV2C
Hi. First off this is an unsupported version of HS 2026.5.2 so happy to be told it's that. Currently running latest-26130-3d2a489a on a Debian Buster bare metal VM. I've been working on moving away from OpenLuup completely and up until now have been using some virtual switches t manage things like 'Is there anyone home' I have a binary sensor in HA that provides the same thing binary_sensor.someone_home which appears in MSR as hass>binary_sensor_someone_home HA shows on or off. MSR shows true or false All fine. The odd thing happened after an update of HA and a restart. From HA 13:07:04 it turned off 13:07:11 it turned on However that does not appear to have been reflected in MSR which turned all the heating and so on off as it is supposed to do, and I got all my notifications as I should. Here's a huge log section (sorry) as I wanted to show how MSR identifies that HA is up and running at 12:07:08 (Zulu) but triggers the 'There's no one here' at 12:07:17 some 6 seconds after HA updated to on. Checking in the interface MSR said the status was 'False' while HA stated 'On' rule-mkwk2fwa.dval:[{"id":1,"container":2,"value":3,"serial":92,"tss":93,"tsc":93},"rule-mkwk2fwa","rules",{"id":1,"serial":4,"triggers":5,"constraints":21,"expressions":24,"name":25,"react_set":26,"react_reset":88,"ruleset":91},16,{"type":6,"id":7,"op":8,"conditions":9,"editor_version":20},"group","trig","and",[10],{"id":11,"type":12,"data":13},"condmkwk2fwa","entity",{"entity":14,"attribute":15,"op":16,"value":17},"hass>person_rachel_matthews","x_hass.state","change",[18,19],null,"not_home",25351,{"type":6,"id":22,"op":8,"conditions":23},"cons",[],{},"Rachel is on the move",{"id":27,"actions":28,"rule":1,"editor_version":87,"set":61},"rule-mkwk2fwa:S",[29,35,62,83],{"id":30,"type":31,"data":32},"24kv27go","setvar",{"var":33,"value":34},"g_CurrentHour","${{int(strftime(\"%H\", 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\"method\":\"speak\"},\n\"target\":[\"media_player.everywhere\"]\n}"}}}],"constraints":{"id":"rule-mkwk2fwa:S-24kv7qgg-cons","name":"Group Constraints Copy","type":"group","op":"and","conditions":[{"id":"cond24kv89zv","type":"comment","data":{"comment":"Should speak only when I'm home"}},{"id":"cond24kv7qgh","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"mqqt>catman_iphone","attribute":"binary_sensor.state","op":"=","value":true}}],"editor_version":25351}},{"id":"rule-mkwk2fwa:S-24kv2lon","type":"group","actions":[{"id":"28xz6paf","type":"notify","data":{"method":"Telegram","message":"Rachel has left the ${{g_rachel_last_area}} zone and is in transit","profile":"default"}}],"constraints":{"id":"rule-mkwk2fwa:S-24kv2lon-cons","name":"Group Constraints Copy","type":"group","op":"and","conditions":[{"id":"cond24kvlpae","type":"comment","data":{"comment":"Should telegram while I am away"}},{"id":"cond24kvkyz7","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"mqqt>catman_iphone","attribute":"binary_sensor.state","op":"=","value":false}}],"editor_version":25351}},{"id":"24kv7hvk","type":"comment","data":{"comment":"Enter comment text"}}],"rule":"rule-mkwk2fwa","editor_version":25314,"set":true},"react_reset":{"id":"rule-mkwk2fwa:R","actions":[],"rule":"rule-mkwk2fwa","set":false},"ruleset":"rs-l5sdq41x"},"serial":2,"tss":1779017869959,"tsc":1779017869959} 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time()))}}",{"id":40,"type":6,"actions":41,"constraints":50},"rule-mkwlg11o:S-rule-mkwlg11o-24kvbohv",[42],{"id":43,"type":12,"data":44},"24kvbohw",{"entity":45,"action":46,"args":47},"hass>system","x_hass_system.call_service",{"service":48,"data":49},"notify.alexa_media","{\n\"message\":\"Good ${{g_Greeting}} Chris. , Rachel has arrived in the ${{g_rachel_last_area}} zone.\",\n\"data\":{\"type\":\"announce\", \"method\":\"speak\"},\n\"target\":[\"media_player.everywhere\"]\n}",{"id":51,"name":52,"type":6,"op":8,"conditions":53,"editor_version":19},"24kvbohv-cons","Group Constraints Copy",[54,59],{"id":55,"type":56,"data":57},"cond24kv89zv","comment",{"comment":58},"Should speak only when I'm 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rule-mkwlg11o.json:{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o","container":"rules","value":{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o","serial":5,"triggers":{"type":"group","id":"trig","op":"and","conditions":[{"id":"condmkwk2fwa","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"hass>person_rachel_matthews","attribute":"x_hass.state","op":"change","value":["not_home"]}}],"editor_version":25351},"constraints":{"type":"group","id":"cons","op":"and","conditions":[]},"expressions":{},"name":"Rachel has arrived","react_set":{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o:S","actions":[{"id":"24kvboht","type":"script","data":{"expr":"g_rachel_last_area = getEntity(\"hass>person_rachel_matthews\").attributes['x_hass'].state"}},{"id":"24kvbohu","type":"setvar","data":{"var":"g_CurrentHour","value":"${{int(strftime(\"%H\", time()))}}"}},{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o:S-rule-mkwlg11o-24kvbohv","type":"group","actions":[{"id":"24kvbohw","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"hass>system","action":"x_hass_system.call_service","args":{"service":"notify.alexa_media","data":"{\n\"message\":\"Good ${{g_Greeting}} Chris. , Rachel has arrived in the ${{g_rachel_last_area}} zone.\",\n\"data\":{\"type\":\"announce\", \"method\":\"speak\"},\n\"target\":[\"media_player.everywhere\"]\n}"}}}],"constraints":{"id":"24kvbohv-cons","name":"Group Constraints Copy","type":"group","op":"and","conditions":[{"id":"cond24kv89zv","type":"comment","data":{"comment":"Should speak only when I'm home"}},{"id":"cond24kv7qgh","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"mqqt>catman_iphone","attribute":"binary_sensor.state","op":"=","value":true}}],"editor_version":25351}},{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o:S-rule-mkwlg11o-24kvbohx","type":"group","actions":[{"id":"24kvbohy","type":"notify","data":{"method":"Telegram","message":"Rachel has arrived in the ${{g_rachel_last_area}} zone.","profile":"default"}}],"constraints":{"id":"24kvbohx-cons","name":"Group Constraints Copy","type":"group","op":"and","conditions":[{"id":"cond24kvmzfp","type":"entity","data":{"entity":"mqqt>catman_iphone","attribute":"binary_sensor.state","op":"=","value":false}}],"editor_version":25351}},{"id":"24kvbohz","type":"comment","data":{"comment":"Enter comment text"}}],"rule":"rule-mkwlg11o","editor_version":25314,"set":true},"react_reset":{"id":"rule-mkwlg11o:R","actions":[],"rule":"rule-mkwlg11o","set":false},"ruleset":"rs-l5sdq41x"},"serial":1,"tss":1770023368433,"tsc":1770023368433} catman@openluup:~/reactor/storage/rules$ exit logout Connection to 192.168.70.249 closed. catman@ChrisMBP2021 ~ % ./NotVera ** WARNING: connection is not using a post-quantum key exchange algorithm. ** This session may be vulnerable to "store now, decrypt later" attacks. ** The server may need to be upgraded. See https://openssh.com/pq.html Linux openluup 4.19.0-20-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.235-1 (2022-03-17) x86_64 The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright. Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. Last login: Mon May 18 12:13:38 2026 from 192.168.70.69 cdcatman@openluup:~$ cd reactor/lo locales/ logs/ catman@openluup:~$ cd reactor/logs/ catman@openluup:~/reactor/logs$ ls console.log hass_config.json hass_services-2025-11-1.json hass_services-2026-1-0.json hass_services-2026-5-2.json reactor.log reactor.log.4 vera-user_data-initial.json device_32 hass_device_registry.json hass_services-2025-11-2.json hass_services-2026-1-1.json hass_services.json reactor.log.1 reactor.log.5 e hass_entity_registry.json hass_services-2025-11-3.json hass_services-2026-4-2.json hass_sources.json reactor.log.2 unhandled.json hass_area_registry.json hass_integrations.json hass_services-2025-7-2.json hass_services-2026-4-4.json hass_states.json reactor.log.3 vera-status-initial.json catman@openluup:~/reactor/logs$ less reactor.log catman@openluup:~/reactor/logs$ tail reactor.log [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:20:08.296Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi#1 API request from ::ffff:192.168.70.249: GET /api/v1/netstatus [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:21:03.391Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi#1 API request from ::ffff:192.168.70.249: GET /api/v1/netstatus [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:21:08.729Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn re-evaluating local variable L_Cinema_Light_Level for dependency notification from ValueSensor#hass>sensor_cinema_multi_sensor_illuminance [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:21:08.734Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn requesting eval for changed dependent locals Array(1) ["L_Cinema_Light_Level"] [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:22:03.501Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi#1 API request from ::ffff:192.168.70.249: GET /api/v1/netstatus [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:22:08.614Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn re-evaluating local variable L_Cinema_Light_Level for dependency notification from ValueSensor#hass>sensor_cinema_multi_sensor_illuminance [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:22:08.624Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn requesting eval for changed dependent locals Array(1) ["L_Cinema_Light_Level"] [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:23:03.590Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi#1 API request from ::ffff:192.168.70.249: GET /api/v1/netstatus [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:23:08.503Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn re-evaluating local variable L_Cinema_Light_Level for dependency notification from ValueSensor#hass>sensor_cinema_multi_sensor_illuminance [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:23:08.506Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-mova0cpn requesting eval for changed dependent locals Array(1) ["L_Cinema_Light_Level"] catman@openluup:~/reactor/logs$ less reactor.log [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.946Z <Rule:INFO> Cyrus Stream Vol+ (rule-ml9yjy9z in Living Room) starting rule state evaluation; because predicate-state-changed Predicate#rule-ml9yjy9z/trig [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.947Z <Rule:INFO> Cyrus Stream Vol+ (rule-ml9yjy9z in Living Room) evaluated; rule state transition from RESET to 'SET' [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.961Z <Rule:INFO> Cyrus Stream Vol- (rule-ml9ylxw3 in Living Room) starting rule state evaluation; because predicate-state-changed Predicate#rule-ml9ylxw3/trig [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.962Z <Rule:INFO> Cyrus Stream Vol- (rule-ml9ylxw3 in Living Room) evaluated; rule state transition from RESET to 'SET' [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.995Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Heating Control Mode is Home<RESET>" (rule-l680lif2:R) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.996Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "House Mode is Home<RESET>" (rule-l5sdqazh:R) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.997Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Cyrus Stream Play / Pause<SET>" (rule-ml9y0xqo:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.997Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Cyrus Stream Vol+<SET>" (rule-ml9yjy9z:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:17.998Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Cyrus Stream Vol-<SET>" (rule-ml9ylxw3:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.000Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Heating Control Mode is Home<RESET> (rule-l680lif2:R) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.000Z <Engine:INFO> Engine#1 perform power_switch.off on Entity#hass>input_boolean_heating_mode with { } by reaction Heating Control Mode is Home<RESET> (rule-l680lif2:R) step 1 [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.000Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass perform power_switch.off on Entity#hass>input_boolean_heating_mode with { } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.001Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass service homeassistant.turn_off target data is { } (empty), assuming default entity target [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.001Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass: sending payload for power_switch.off on Entity#hass>input_boolean_heating_mode action: { "type": "call_service", "service_data": { }, "domain": "homeassistant", "service": "turn_off", "target": { "entity_id": "input_boolean.heating_mode" } } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.017Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction House Mode is Home<RESET> (rule-l5sdqazh:R) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.018Z <Engine:INFO> House Mode is Home<RESET> all actions completed. [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.074Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Cyrus Stream Play / Pause<SET> (rule-ml9y0xqo:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.076Z <Engine:INFO> Engine#1 perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"BfcG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDQv3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wY=\" }" } by reaction Cyrus Stream Play / Pause<SET> (rule-ml9y0xqo:S) step 1 [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.076Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"BfcG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDQv3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wY=\" }" } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.077Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass: sending payload for x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send action: { "type": "call_service", "service_data": { "value": "BfcG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDRP3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wb///cG9wZ8A+ABAeABDQv3BvcGfAN8A/cG9wY=" }, "domain": "text", "service": "set_value", "target": { "entity_id": "text.living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send" } } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.090Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Cyrus Stream Vol+<SET> (rule-ml9yjy9z:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.091Z <Engine:INFO> Engine#1 perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"BXsDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBD/cG9wZ7A3sDewN7A3sDewM=\" }" } by reaction Cyrus Stream Vol+<SET> (rule-ml9yjy9z:S) step 1 [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.092Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"BXsDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBD/cG9wZ7A3sDewN7A3sDewM=\" }" } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.092Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass: sending payload for x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send action: { "type": "call_service", "service_data": { "value": "BXsDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBBfcG9wZ7A+ABAQf//3sDewP3BkABAXsD4AUBD/cG9wZ7A3sDewN7A3sDewM=" }, "domain": "text", "service": "set_value", "target": { "entity_id": "text.living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send" } } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.093Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Cyrus Stream Vol-<SET> (rule-ml9ylxw3:S) [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.093Z <Engine:INFO> Engine#1 perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"AXoD4AEBA/EGegPgBQEF8QbxBnoDgAFACQP//3oD4AEBQBHgBQEP8QbxBnoDegN6A3oD8QZ6Aw==\" }" } by reaction Cyrus Stream Vol-<SET> (rule-ml9ylxw3:S) step 1 [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.094Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass perform x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send with { "service": "text.set_value", "data": "{ \"value\": \"AXoD4AEBA/EGegPgBQEF8QbxBnoDgAFACQP//3oD4AEBQBHgBQEP8QbxBnoDegN6A3oD8QZ6Aw==\" }" } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.111Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass: sending payload for x_hass.call_service on Entity#hass>text_living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send action: { "type": "call_service", "service_data": { "value": "AXoD4AEBA/EGegPgBQEF8QbxBnoDgAFACQP//3oD4AEBQBHgBQEP8QbxBnoDegN6A3oD8QZ6Aw==" }, "domain": "text", "service": "set_value", "target": { "entity_id": "text.living_room_remote_ir_code_to_send" } } [latest-26130]2026-05-19T12:07:18.113Z <Rule:INFO> Rule#rule-l5sdqazh reaction rule-l5sdqazh:R completed This is hardly the end of the world as HA restarting is rare and I simply hit refresh on the entity in MSR but is this some kind of race condition or something that needs addressing? Hoping I've given enough data to make it sensible C
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[Solved] Rulesets with multiple groups in Set Reaction not working post-26116
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Reactor build 26116: empty group reaction
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I have a couple of rules that has group reactions with empty conditions. I notice, in particular on one that's called every 5 secs, that it was not working. I added an empty comment as condition and it started working again. I don't know if saving was enough to "reset" it, but I'm reporting anyway. No errors in the logs, but the MQTT message was not published, so I had an easy path to check the rule. I have others like these, but not easy to test. @toggledbits maybe some stuck status data? (I restarted a couple of times after the last update). Thanks.
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
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TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Next Release?
CatmanV2C
Morning. Do we have a roadmap for the next release, at all? I only ask as there's a breaking HA change and I have many packages now out of date. Cheers! C
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Controller Z-Wave JS UI: "Location" attribute not visible in Reactor entities
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Hi, I'm on Docker/NAs (latest-26011-c621bbc7) with Zwave js ui (last version). I have set the 'Location' for each device in the Z-Wave JS UI dashboard, I cannot find this information among the Entity Attributes in the Reactor. I tried and the result is an empty array []. It seems the 'Location' metadata from Z-Wave JS is not being mapped to a standard attribute in Reactor. Location is equale to Rooms for me. When comparing this to the Vera or Ezlo Controller, Reactor automatically creates Room Icons also in the Reactor Dashboard and places the various devices under those room categories. This is a very convenient way to keep the dashboard organized and quickly find lights to turn off with a click (especially when something isn't switched off as expected for me:) ). Is there a way to map the Z-Wave JS UI 'Location' attribute and a dashboard organization, just like it does with Vera/Ezlo? Thanks in advance for all the great tips you've shared
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Variables not updating properly
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[Solved] Loading Screen Safari
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
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I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Changes operator does not always detect change
tunnusT
I've had similar problems before, but now this issue has resurfaced. Using build 26011 on Docker. As I copied one old rule as a "template" for a similar new rule, where I have multiple conditions using changes operator (from any to any, and with delay reset of 900), these conditions do not detect change in attributes. Even if I manually reset the rule, reset delay timers do not restart. If I do a new rule from scratch, and do not copy/import anything old, the same conditions work properly. Also, if I modify copied rule's conditions (put a random number to "from" & "to" fields), then save, and after that remove those modifications, rule begins to function normally. Just editing e.g. delay reset value does not do any good in this context. @toggledbits, I can DM logs & related rule files to you, if you just send me instructions.
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Dynamic MQTT topics and parameters
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Condition for trend
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Struggling to setup my first Tasmota device and MQTT
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Existing Rule stopped working HTTP command fetching IP address from website
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Set reaction triggering wrong z-wave device
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Can you run MSR on Home Assistant OS ?
cw-kidC
Looking at using Home Assistant for the first time, either on a Home Assistant Green, their own hardware or buying a cheap second hand mini PC. Sounds like Home Assistant OS is linux based using Docker for HA etc. Would I also be able to install things like MSR as well on their OS ? On the same box? Thanks.
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How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
cw-kidC
Hello I haven't updated my installation of MSR in a very long time. Its a bare metal Linux install currently on version 24366-3de60836 I see the latest version is now latest-26011-c621bbc7 I assume I cannot just jump from a very old version to the latest version? Or can I? Thanks
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This trigger no longer working - complaining about the operator needing changing
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Self test
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Having been messing around with some stuff I worked a way to self trigger some tests that I wanted to do on the HA <> MSR integration This got me wondering if there's an entity that changes state / is exposed when a configured controller goes off line? I can't see one but thought it might be hidden or something? Cheers C
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    Reactor build 25323

    • Rule-based Variables: correct an error handling dependency evaluation of subscoped variables.
    • SystemController: prevent spurious exception that could be thrown while shutting down Reactor. It had no effect, but it's preventable and I like my logs error-free.

    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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      Reactor build 25325

      • Rules/Expressions: fix an additional evaluation case from @Crille
      • UI: silence an error that could occur during restarts (the shutdown process could stimulate the Set Rules status widget to fire queries at the inoperative host that eventually time out).
      • HassController: Bless HA to 2025.11.3

      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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        #132

        Reactor build 25238

        • Rules/Date-Time: Fix a regression (in 25315) where a Date-Time between condition that crosses midnight may determine incorrect state if the Rule is reloaded (e.g. by editing it or a Reactor restart) in the period after midnight but before the end time.
        • Restarts on Win32 systems can now (finally) do a gradual, organized reload or shutdown.
        • HassController: Bless HA to 2025.11.3

        This is a "silent" release (it is not advertised in the Status page of Reactor)

        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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          #133

          Reaction build 26011

          USERS OF AARCH64-tagged DOCKER IMAGES: Per this earlier post, this build will likely be the last with the aarch64 tag. Please follow the post's guidance for changing to one of the newer tags appropriate for your hardware and OS (32-bit armv7l or 64-bit arm64).

          • Reactions UI: Fix update of display after copy in-place.
          • Don't store reaction history entries for sub-reactions
          • VirtualEntityController: better consistency in time-series configuration; update documentation.
          • Fix an error in date display of time range conditions within certain parameters.
          • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.1.0

          This is a "silent" release (it is not advertised in the Status page of Reactor).

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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            #134

            Reactor build 26116

            PLEASE READ ALL CAUTIONS AND INSTRUCTIONS BELOW!

            IMPORTANT: PERSISTENT FORMAT STORAGE CHANGE! I STRONGLY RECOMMEND MAKING AN INTENTIONAL, SEPARATE BACKUP OF YOUR REACTOR STORAGE/DATA BEFORE UPGRADING TO THIS BUILD, AND SAVING IT SAFELY SOMEWHERE FOR A WHILE. The file format and name used to store Reactor system objects and data has changed as of this build. Data files under the storage directory now have a .dval suffix rather than .json. See this post for background. Conversion of your existing files to the new format is automatic and transparent on the first run of this and future builds, so your existing backups will be restorable into the foreseeable future. If you need to see the contents of a file in its native form, a new utility under tools has been provided: dval2json.js. You can run this utility (e.g. node tools/dval2json.js storage/expressions.dval) and it will read the .dval file and output its JSON representation, if possible. However, due to the limitations of standard JSON, some .dval files may not be convertible to JSON by this tool; if that happens, the tool will switch to an alternate output format that is JSON-like enough to be human-readable (but is not parseable as JSON).

            BARE-METAL UPGRADE MUST UPDATE DEPENDENCIES! Those of you on bare-metal installs will need to run npm run deps in your Reactor install directory after unpacking the distribution archive. There are new and updated packages required to run this build of Reactor, and it will not start without these updates. Docker users don't need to do anything, as the image is built with all dependencies preloaded.

            ERRORS WILL BE LOGGED ON THE FIRST RESTART AFTER UPGRADING TO THIS BUILD. ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO SETTLE A MINUTE, AND THEN RESTART AGAIN. THEN AND ONLY THEN SHOULD YOU BEGIN CHASING/REPORTING ANY ISSUES THAT REMAIN.

            • DynamicGroupController now manages rooms across all standard controllers where room information is available from the source hub. Previously, each Controller had to manage rooms on its own (if that data was available from the hub/source), and the room groups were local to that controller. Now, the room information on Vera, Ezlo, Home Assistant (area), Hubitat, and Z-Wave JS (location) will be used to automatically generate shared groups owned by DynamicGroupController. Rooms are associated by name (case insensitive); for example, a "Living Room" room on a Vera and a "Living Room" area in Home Assistant will both use the "Living Room" group automatically created and managed by DynamaicGroupController. This behavior can be turned off on a per-controller basis by setting rooms_as_sys_groups: false in a controller's configuration. By default, this setting is true (on, system-level groups will be created) for all controllers. All standard controllers (Home Assistant, Hubitat, Vera, Ezlo, and Z-Wave JS) have been updated to use the new room group strategy. Refer to the documentation for each Controller for additional details.
            • VeraController: Add configuration flag rooms_as_local_groups to enable VeraController's legacy behavior of creating local groups for Vera rooms. In support of the shared groups described above, this setting defaults to false as of this build. Existing local groups will be marked dead for eventual purging unless this setting is changed.
            • Expressions: new runReaction() function can be used to launch a Reaction (see docs);
            • Reactions UI: Additional fixes to coordination and placement for copy/move;
            • Reactions: While actions now have an optional iteration limit — a maximum number of times the loop will run. If the loop hits this limit before its conditions stop it, the loop will stop without error;
            • Reactions: While actions now have an enforced once-per-second minimum iteration delay (that is, if you omit a Delay action in the While group, Reactor will provide a one second delay);
            • Reactions UI: The display of the While condition on the detail card has been improved;
            • DynamicGroupController: new include_attribute selector (see docs);
            • Rules: The rule detail display now updates the main constraints' evaluation values continuously. This restores UI functionality lost when fixing an earlier bug that caused unexpected/undesirable re-evaluation of a Rule's triggers when dependent entities or variables in constraints were modified;
            • Controller Config: The type config key, previously deprecated, is no longer supported. Use implementation instead. Unless you've ignored prior deprecation warnings, this should not be an issue.
            • Rules: The startup scan of rule conditions has been improved to correctly update old conditions using the changes operator with blank operands;
            • HubitatController: The room of a device is now stored on the entity attributes.
            • HassController: The area and floor properties of a device/entity are now stored on the Reactor entity's attributes.
            • HassController: Better support for new "state" selector in service data as of 2026.4.0. The most notable effect is that, where HA offers us data, we will present a list of expected values for a field down to the device/entity level (because not every device may support every possible value for a field). This is not universal yet, but seems to be HA's direction, so as they publish the data on more entities, it should just start working in Reactor Editor fields.
            • Entities List: Fix page overflow when attribute has a long value with no natural word breaks (i.e. force wrap).
            • Entity: extended attribute values on standard capabilities will now survive refresh of the capability.
            • Reaction Editor: Fix presentation issue with gutter in section header.
            • Rule Editor: Fix presentation issues with gutters in section headers.
            • Reaction Editor: After a data entry validation error, an error was not being cleared after the user fixed the entry.
            • Dashboard: the sys_group.visible attribute has been added to control the selection of groups for automatic display on the Dashboard's default group list display (default: true);
            • Many documentation tweaks and updates; supply some new/improved images.
            • Docker images: Detection of improperly mounted data volume. This will help alert new users in particular to missing/misconfigured data volume binding.
            • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.4.3

            Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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              Reactor build 26127

              • This is an interim build that has one small possible fix for the group evaluation problem reported by @gwp1 and @therealdb , as well as additional diagnostic logging in case that change doesn't resolve the issue. Other users not using or experiencing problems with Reaction groups do not need to update to this build.

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                Reactor build 26130

                • Reactions and Reactions UI: fix a long-standing issue where imported/cloned Group and While actions were not given unique IDs by the UI. Until 26116, this bug lurked in the shadows because IDs on actions in Reactions didn't matter at all, so the duplication went unnoticed and was actually harmless. But changes in 26116 to improve predicate response and display made these IDs important for Rule-based Reactions. IDs tend to change when Rule-based Reactions are edited, but long-standing objects that aren't often touched could be left with duplicate IDs embedded. In 26116, this duplication would cause inconsistent and incorrect evaluation of group/while predicates (because two different predicates sharing the same ID would share the same status/result). This build fixes the situation in two ways. First, existing Rules are fixed by deep-scanning when loaded (i.e. at startup), and any conditions or actions having duplicate IDs are given new, unique IDs. Second, fixes have been made to the Reaction Editor to prevent duplication of IDs when an action is cloned or a Reaction is imported. The former fix should ensure that your existing rules are corrected with no further intervention on your part. The latter fix addresses the original editing (copy and import) bugs that gave rise to the problem in the first place. Note that IDs are only required to be unique within the context of a Rule or Reaction; they do not need to be globally unique. If you are the type of person who likes to "deep dive" your storage data and you happen to find duplicate IDs in different Rules/Reactions, that's OK; it's only a problem if an ID is used in duplicate within a single Rule or Reaction. If you get an alert in the Status page that rules were modified by the new startup scan, please delete the alert and restart Reactor. The alert should not return (i.e. the rule is fixed). If the alert returns across more than two restarts, let me know in the Smarthome Community.
                • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.5.1

                Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                  Reactor buld 26137

                  • Rules: fix an error where a Variable Value condition in a constraint may not be reevaluated correctly when the variable changes.
                  • Rules UI: if a Rule State condition uses the changes operator with terminal values, make sure those are shown on the detail card.
                  • Rule Editor: when a new local variable/expression is added to the rule currently being edited, make sure all expression selectors in any Variable Value conditions shown are updated so that the new variable can be selected immediately (a bug was causing some to be missed).
                  • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.5.2

                  Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                    #138

                    Reactor build 26140

                    • HassController: Address a race condition that can occur when a large number of devices is initialized at the same time that HA is starting up (i.e. during the connect/reconnect and entity inventory phase while HA is still starting integrations). The race condition could cause a state change for an integration's entity to be missed during inventory. This is particular to integrations that set their device/entity states to null or "unavailable* during startup rather than preserving the last known state and only changing it after initialization succeeds or fails.
                    • HubitatController: Add since property to x_hubitat_pushable and family for improved button press detection.
                    • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.5.3

                    General Advisory

                    Users of HassController (and some other controllers as well, like OWMController for weather) often rely on cloud-based/Internet-dependent integrations to drive entities. There is no documented standard for how an HA integration should behave at startup, before it connects and authenticates with its mother ship; nor is there a standard for when it loses its connection to the mother ship and has to reconnect. Some integrations will preserve the last-known state of their entities for a while during these (re)connections, and some don't. It's kind of up to us as consumers of these integrations to figure this out and adjust our Rules accordingly.

                    While the fix in this build can address the issue of missing a state change during a lengthy initialization, it doesn't address how rules might behave in the face of these state transitions when they occur. If, for example, you write a condition "John is home" that tests the John presence entity attribute for the value "home", the transition to "unavailable" during integration startup could easily cause your logic to perform its "not home" behaviors. There are a couple of ways you can hedge against these spurious/transient states:

                    1. If the attribute value exposes "unavailable" as a state, test for it. I do this a lot. For example, a not-home test may be written as an AND group with value <> "home" AND value <> "unavailable" or perhaps more simply value NOT IN home,unavailable, rather than testing for equality to the sole value not_home. Again, whether or not "unavailable" is produced as a state and at what time/under what conditions is integration-dependent, so you will need to experiment. See further comments about integration states below.
                    2. Use the delay reset or sustained for condition option delays to dampen response to state changes. In this case, your rule would delay for some acceptable period before running its reaction... value == "not_home" sustained for 60 seconds is likely in most cases to be sufficient to allow the integration to get up and running and provide a "real" state rather than locking your wife in a dark house with no heat running and an armed alarm system (low WAF). Be careful, however; this doesn't address how the integration behaves during sustained outages of your Internet connection or their cloud services. Sometimes adding additional checks that the integration is healthy is necessary.

                    Recent versions of Reactor have introduced entities for integrations. For example:

                    Screenshot 2026-05-20 111928.png

                    The top highlighted line shows the state of a particular integration. You can use these entities/attributes as another test of the validity of other attributes you need to test (e.g. when the integration state is other than "loaded", the values are not to be trusted/acted upon). The lower highlighted line is provided by the integration itself and provides another data point on overall health of the reported attributes.

                    And just so I've said it... you have to test your entire automation under some terrible conditions. Some day when everyone is out of the house, unplug your Internet router and watch how your automations behave. Chances are you'll find some interesting and not-so-obvious behaviors.

                    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                      You are an absolute gent, sir

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                      The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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