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Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Noticing since 170 that the lock screen doesn't switch to the logon prompt but, rather, stays on the active UI until such time as you go to click something within it. Then it jumps to the login screen. Brave browser Brave 1.92.139 (Official Build) (arm64) Chromium: 150.0.7871.114
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Hey @toggledbits One thing that bothers me while doing work on new systems/new features, is that I cannot copy&paste actions, and I cannot drag&drop between set and resets. #1 is for when I want to copy an action between different rules opened in two separate browser windows, while #2 is when I just need to flip a bunch of actions in the reset, or move some logic back and forth. Both will be appreciated, but I understand the technical challenges. Thanks!
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I'm currently on version 26011. I understand that the aarch64 image is no longer supported. So, I therefore need to update to the ARM64 image. Can anyone possibly suggest how I update my docker compose.yaml file (see below). Ideally I'd like to keep my existing reactions etc. rather than start from scratch. # Multi-System Reactor template docker-compose.yml (version 22160) # # Change the lines indicated by "DO"... # services: reactor: container_name: reactor environment: # DO change the TZ: line to set your local time zone. # See valid TZ list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones TZ: GB # # DO NOT change this path. Your directory location is in "source" below. REACTOR_DATA_PREFIX: /var/reactor # DO change the image below to the one you are using (e.g. armv7l or aarch64 for RPi 4) image: toggledbits/reactor:latest-aarch64 restart: "always" expose: - 8111 ports: - 8111:8111 volumes: # DO change the /home/username/reactor below to the directory you created for # your local data; DO NOT change the /var/reactor part - /home/pi/docker/reactor:/var/reactor - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro tmpfs: /tmp
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Deprecation Announcement: 32-bit ARM *docker* images
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If you are using the armv7l docker image, the OpenJS Foundation that publishes node is no longer producing 32-bit builds as of v24. That means the last supported LTS version of node for armv7l is v22, which will go End-of-Life in May 2027. Therefore, the Reactor armv7l image is now deprecated and will only be produced until node v22 goes EOL, and I will not publish armv7l images beyond that date. If you are running an RPi 3 or earlier with Reactor, you are on this image, and will need to upgrade hardware to a 64-bit model and use the arm64 image. If you need help getting it done, ask in this category.
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[Solved] build 26150 - engine not starting
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@toggledbits I pulled the image (well, Watchtower did) and within minutes the whole system went offline. The log looks like it ends with 26143. [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-mkahsmgf/26qq82mw-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lqyfljfi/22f8on0t-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lsb61rw8/24oenqi2-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lrh58he0/rule-lrh58he0:S-1c00gfib-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lrh58he0/1c00dylr-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lrh58he0/1nam9w5u-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-miuh2qqi/22ls4lql-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-kwc6rmci/rule-kwc6rmci:S-1vj8sdfc-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-kwc6rmci/rule-kwc6rmci:S-1qanz01x-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-ladyja6a/24lq19p6-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-mk0o8iox/23oy468y-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-miscg2h3/rule-miscg2h3:S-22gmbq1c-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-kxgrfjke/238p0old-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-m7ccsso5/re-m7ccsso5-1r0myjxa-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-ladyja6a/19nl9wq2-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-ladyja6a/rule-ladyja6a:S-yl3xk9t-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-ladyja6a/rule-ladyja6a:S-yl3vv5m-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-ln7j2nqp/re-ln7j2nqp-22mx9lzd-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-ln7j2nqp/22mx87c8-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-licneppy/1mzwe7ht-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-ml3194ih/25jqt1j4-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-kxgrg7kf/227hshak-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-reactorexmachina/13ua1p95-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-reactorexmachina/13uagam7-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-grpvl9oypg/rule-grpvl9oypg:R-134x4cbv-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-grpvl9oypg/rule-grpvl9oypg:R-134x2fyl-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#re-lscjrws1/238p5c22-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <default:INFO> Closing container Container#Predicate#rule-lbwr0jvq/1xkczf03-cons [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure Structure#1 stopped [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <app:NOTICE> Closing APIs... [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: closing... [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.547Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: disconnecting from "192.168.1.23#82" (1001 service closing) [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.548Z <httpapi:NOTICE> HTTP API closing... [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.549Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: server closed [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.549Z <httpapi:INFO> HTTP server closed. [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.549Z <app:NOTICE> Stopping timers... [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.551Z <app:null> Shutdown complete, process ID 1 [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.551Z <app:null> Closing logs... [latest-26143]2026-05-31T15:23:44.551Z <default:null> Closing log I can SSH to the VM. Alas, I do not have the previous image for 26143 as I'm a little too quick sometimes on housekeeping.
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Replacing SiteSensor Plugin (Vera) with MSR

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      @cw-kid if one wanted to set all 5 parameter values at the same time, using an HTTP call to Vera, could that be done? (If so, I'd need to see a working example of a GET Request that does this.) Or would I have to issue 5 distinct calls to set those variables?

      P.S. I see from this old post that I'm not the first one to wonder.

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        It’s so trivial to make a custom request handler in Luup... really it’s one of its best feature. So, in this case, indeed, “roll your own” and simply set the required variables per the content of the request.

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          @cw-kid if one wanted to set all 5 parameter values at the same time, using an HTTP call to Vera, could that be done? (If so, I'd need to see a working example of a GET Request that does this.) Or would I have to issue 5 distinct calls to set those variables?

          P.S. I see from this old post that I'm not the first one to wonder.

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          @librasun

          I am doing a different http request to Vera to set each variable not one request that set them all.

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            @librasun

            I am doing a different http request to Vera to set each variable not one request that set them all.

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            @cw-kid said in Replacing SiteSensor Plugin (Vera) with MSR:

            @librasun

            I am doing a different http request to Vera to set each variable not one request that set them all.

            Yeah, something tells me setting more than one at a time isn't possible, anyway. Just thought I'd ask the pros. 🙂 Thanks!

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              You can take not-terribly-human-readable blobs like that over to a JSON Pretty Print website (such as https://jsonformatter.org/json-pretty-print), paste it in and hit the "Outline" button, to see how the data looks in its underlying structure.
              json_pretty_print.png This allows you to quickly pinpoint the blob.key.subkey.data item you need to pull from in MSR.

              Traversing the tree from upper-left to lower-right, I see the first instance of "forcecast" lives inside an overall object {} (I'm naming response), then the first item (i.e. element 0) of an array [] within data, then inside another array within another key called data, then a key called intensity, and finally the key you want, forecast, yielding:
              response.data[0].data[0].intensity.forecast

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              @librasun Reviving this a bit because this right here is where I think I'm failing spectacularly.

              I'm working with the Ambient API for my weather station via Site Sensor in Vera. This thread has been fantastic at guiding me toward migrating the Site Sensor into MSR. Here's where I'm falling down:

              b777e1d6-172a-484d-9998-cbe7abc0c9d0-image.png

              The GET returns expected results. However, I believe I've messed up in creating the expressions for temp, wind speed, wind gust, and solar radiation.

              I've entered response[1].lastData.tempf into the ambient_temp field and it returns Last value:(error) Invalid reference to member 1 of null. This is taken right from the Site Sensor recipe where it's working wonderfully so I know I'm probably close. I know the expression logic in MSR is slightly different than that of the Vera Reactor plugin - combined with my almost total befuddlement of proper expressions go isn't helping 🙂

              Appreciate any guidance!

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              FW: v1.1
              SDK: v7.23.1

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                should that be response[0].lastData.tempinf

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                  I thought the same but, after editing, it returned the same error just with ...member 0 of null instead.

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                    should that be response[0].lastData.tempinf

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                    @elcid For full transparency, here's how the ruleset is configured (and it's pulling in expected results:

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                    It's only the latter half that's making me stumble.

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                      so to set temp expression should be ambient_api[0].lastData.tempinf

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                          so to set temp expression should be ambient_api[0].lastData.tempinf

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                          @elcid Whadya know, that did the trick. Interesting to a noob like me how the original Site Sensor in Vera uses response[1].lastData.tempif and that works just fine.

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                          FW: v1.1
                          SDK: v7.23.1

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                          ZWave Controller: 25139

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                            @toggledbits QQ on the OWM built-in: is there a means by which to render it inactive until I need to call it? The way I work my Site Sensors is the one for OWM stays deactivated until the one for Ambient throws null at which point the OWM turns on, carrying the load until Ambient throws real data back out there again (at which time OWM shuts back off.)

                            This saves wasted calls to the API for OWM.

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                            FW: v1.1
                            SDK: v7.23.1

                            *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
                            MSR: latest-26193-8dd8f854
                            MQTTController: 25139
                            ZWave Controller: 25139

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                              @toggledbits QQ on the OWM built-in: is there a means by which to render it inactive until I need to call it? The way I work my Site Sensors is the one for OWM stays deactivated until the one for Ambient throws null at which point the OWM turns on, carrying the load until Ambient throws real data back out there again (at which time OWM shuts back off.)

                              This saves wasted calls to the API for OWM.

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                              @gwp1 Put a constraint for the OWM rule, something like "ambient == null"?

                              Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), having InfluxDB, Grafana & Home Assistant, Zigbee2MQTT & ZWA-2

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                                @elcid Whadya know, that did the trick. Interesting to a noob like me how the original Site Sensor in Vera uses response[1].lastData.tempif and that works just fine.

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                                @gwp1 vera uses lua, which arrays count from 1
                                MSR uses javascript which counts from 0

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                                  @gwp1 Put a constraint for the OWM rule, something like "ambient == null"?

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                                  @tunnus That would work if I were creating the OWM like I've created the Ambient expressions and ruleset. But @toggledbits has OWM built-in, controlled by reactor.yaml config file. The frequency of calls to the API is configured there in minutes and it creates an entity in the Entities list. As I understand it, the entity is always refreshed data-wise by the frequency of the calls set in reactor.yaml.

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                                  FW: v1.1
                                  SDK: v7.23.1

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                                  MQTTController: 25139
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                                    @toggledbits QQ on the OWM built-in: is there a means by which to render it inactive until I need to call it? The way I work my Site Sensors is the one for OWM stays deactivated until the one for Ambient throws null at which point the OWM turns on, carrying the load until Ambient throws real data back out there again (at which time OWM shuts back off.)

                                    This saves wasted calls to the API for OWM.

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                                    @gwp1 said in Replacing SiteSensor Plugin (Vera) with MSR:

                                    @toggledbits QQ on the OWM built-in: is there a means by which to render it inactive until I need to call it?

                                    No. Controllers can only be switched on and off via configuration.

                                    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                      @tunnus That would work if I were creating the OWM like I've created the Ambient expressions and ruleset. But @toggledbits has OWM built-in, controlled by reactor.yaml config file. The frequency of calls to the API is configured there in minutes and it creates an entity in the Entities list. As I understand it, the entity is always refreshed data-wise by the frequency of the calls set in reactor.yaml.

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                                      @gwp1I got this all working, Ambient's API and OWM's API all dumping to global expressions.

                                      ambient_api
                                      ambient_temp
                                      ambient_windspeed
                                      ambient_windgust
                                      ambient_solarradiation

                                      openwxmap_api
                                      openwxmap_temp
                                      openwxmap_windspeed
                                      openwxmap_windgust

                                      Everything is glorious. I've planned for when the Ambient API drops (they were having big ol' issues today and into the evening now) it returns a NULL and I flip my HVAC control over to OWM API.

                                      Except... Reactor gets very angry.

                                      angry reactor.png

                                      Now it's entirely possible this is on me - so let's review:
                                      HVAC has three master rulesets, Cooling, Heating, and Neutral. You'll notice I've broken out the rules into Ambient vs OWM.

                                      ambient cooling master.png

                                      The triggers for OWM include a "when Ambient returns NULL" clause, if you will.

                                      These are my two "Site Sensors" in MSR:

                                      ambient site sensor.png OWM site sensor.png

                                      This, too, works as intended with OWM sitting idle until Ambient goes "null" and then OWM starts making API calls and populating the global expressions with data.

                                      In real world usage today/this evening the switch happens flawlessly. Where the angry Reactor comes in is after the switch happens. My confusion is around why any ruleset referencing the Ambient data (via global expressions) as a trigger suddenly has all the compile errors, throttling because update rates exceed 60/minute, etc. My expectation is that the "null" will blank the triggers in the ruleset and, since the ruleset is not triggered, it will go dormant until triggered again.

                                      Where have I lost my way?

                                      *Hubitat C-7 2.5.1.142
                                      *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

                                      *HAOS
                                      Core 2026.7.4
                                      w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
                                      FW: v1.1
                                      SDK: v7.23.1

                                      *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
                                      MSR: latest-26193-8dd8f854
                                      MQTTController: 25139
                                      ZWave Controller: 25139

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                                        @gwp1I got this all working, Ambient's API and OWM's API all dumping to global expressions.

                                        ambient_api
                                        ambient_temp
                                        ambient_windspeed
                                        ambient_windgust
                                        ambient_solarradiation

                                        openwxmap_api
                                        openwxmap_temp
                                        openwxmap_windspeed
                                        openwxmap_windgust

                                        Everything is glorious. I've planned for when the Ambient API drops (they were having big ol' issues today and into the evening now) it returns a NULL and I flip my HVAC control over to OWM API.

                                        Except... Reactor gets very angry.

                                        angry reactor.png

                                        Now it's entirely possible this is on me - so let's review:
                                        HVAC has three master rulesets, Cooling, Heating, and Neutral. You'll notice I've broken out the rules into Ambient vs OWM.

                                        ambient cooling master.png

                                        The triggers for OWM include a "when Ambient returns NULL" clause, if you will.

                                        These are my two "Site Sensors" in MSR:

                                        ambient site sensor.png OWM site sensor.png

                                        This, too, works as intended with OWM sitting idle until Ambient goes "null" and then OWM starts making API calls and populating the global expressions with data.

                                        In real world usage today/this evening the switch happens flawlessly. Where the angry Reactor comes in is after the switch happens. My confusion is around why any ruleset referencing the Ambient data (via global expressions) as a trigger suddenly has all the compile errors, throttling because update rates exceed 60/minute, etc. My expectation is that the "null" will blank the triggers in the ruleset and, since the ruleset is not triggered, it will go dormant until triggered again.

                                        Where have I lost my way?

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                                        @gwp1 I get similar throttling warnings as you do when rules are not able to get values they used to get (via API), but at least you can eliminate those "invalid reference" errors using the following expression structure:

                                        Screenshot 2021-09-16 at 11.44.01.png

                                        Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), having InfluxDB, Grafana & Home Assistant, Zigbee2MQTT & ZWA-2

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                                          @gwp1 I get similar throttling warnings as you do when rules are not able to get values they used to get (via API), but at least you can eliminate those "invalid reference" errors using the following expression structure:

                                          Screenshot 2021-09-16 at 11.44.01.png

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                                          @tunnus Pardon my ignorance but where do I utilize this structure?

                                          *Hubitat C-7 2.5.1.142
                                          *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

                                          *HAOS
                                          Core 2026.7.4
                                          w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
                                          FW: v1.1
                                          SDK: v7.23.1

                                          *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
                                          MSR: latest-26193-8dd8f854
                                          MQTTController: 25139
                                          ZWave Controller: 25139

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