Light automation thoughts

[CatmanV2]

Hi all

Looking for some ideas about how I might be able to automate my lights.

Currently I have Fibaro FGMS001 (combined lux / motion / temperature sensors)

I can currently get the lights to come on in a room by simply implying that lux <100 and the movement sensor is tripped. That's not so bad, although it's a bit crude.

Struggling more with:
Keeping them on: I've turned the motion sensitivity up quite a lot, but when (fore example) reading in bed, they trip off
Extending a timer (so there's a minimum time of 'on' after trip) needs to get quite high, such that you might be in a room for 10 seconds, and the lights stay on for 20 minutes.

Any bright ideas?

Cheers

C

[RogerO]

Building A Better Smart Home

. Had a nice mmwave presence sensor.

[CatmanV2]

Hmm interesting. Thanks

C

[akbooer]

Ah, this is the good old “Wasp in the Box” problem.

Anything you can do to “ring fence” the room, such that entry/exit activity is caught, could achieve this without requiring a sensor to be able to detect a stationary person.

There was lots of discussions of this on the original MCV forum (and copied to the newer one, so can be accessed there.) Just search for “Wasp in the Box”.

[CatmanV2]

Ahh I recall the phrase now.

Thanks

C

[CatmanV2]

Slightly sad that the Zigbee folks seem to have an out of the box for this, cheap and readily available mm wave detectors.
I don't really want to get a Zigbee dongle and / or some Zigbee 2 mqtt server, just seems more complex. I may go down the route of trying some commercial mm wave sensors and tying their output to a Fibaro binary sensor.

C

[Pabla]

Here’s a wifi mm wave sensor that people have been raving about. Not sure if it’ll work with anything else other than Home Assistant though

145.72C$ |Aqara Human Presence Sensor Fp1 Mmwave Radar Xiao Mi Smart Human Sensing Switch Omnidirectional Sensor Apple Homekit - Smart Remote Control - AliExpress

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[CatmanV2]

Indeed, saw these. Whatever it looks like it needs 2 layers to integrate Openluup / reactor (Zigbee dongle then mqtt interface)

C

[RogerO]

You could build your own. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/mmwave-presence-detection-esphome-style/382778

[CatmanV2]

Targeted at HA again, though. Although I guess that might be a simpler integration. Not clear to me what radio protocol it's using though?

C

[RogerO]

This one, while geared to HA, uses MQTT over wifi.

Jun 13, 2022

HA | ESPHome | Presence detection with PIR, mmWave Radar and BLE tracking

📢* Update 06.09.2022 - Corrected the UART pins in the code * Update 17.6.2022 - False positives * Update 15.6.2022 @ 07:00 - mqtt_room config (with device MAC) * Update 14.06.2022 @ 08:30 - Added sources Background I've wanted to have presence (or occupancy) sensors

[wmarcolin]

@pabla

This sensor has a very good concept, not only movement but also human presence.

Many people have had great results, but I bought 3, and I'm having a problem, as not installed right on top, of the roof of the house, he loses much sensitivity, and I'm getting soment 2m.

Today I finished a drawing to print in 3D cover to change and expose the sensor because other people have reported a similar problem, and took the cover, and worked fine.

[CatmanV2]

@rogero said in Light automation thoughts:

This one, while geared to HA, uses MQTT over wifi.

Jun 13, 2022

HA | ESPHome | Presence detection with PIR, mmWave Radar and BLE tracking

📢* Update 06.09.2022 - Corrected the UART pins in the code * Update 17.6.2022 - False positives * Update 15.6.2022 @ 07:00 - mqtt_room config (with device MAC) * Update 14.06.2022 @ 08:30 - Added sources Background I've wanted to have presence (or occupancy) sensors

Oddly I can't get to that domain

C

[CatmanV2]

@wmarcolin said in Light automation thoughts:

@pabla

This sensor has a very good concept, not only movement but also human presence.

Many people have had great results, but I bought 3, and I'm having a problem, as not installed right on top, of the roof of the house, he loses much sensitivity, and I'm getting soment 2m.

Today I finished a drawing to print in 3D cover to change and expose the sensor because other people have reported a similar problem, and took the cover, and worked fine.

Which sensor is that?

Cheers

C

[RogerO]

@catmanv2 Yeah, it quit working for me as well. Could view it in the wayback machine though.

[RogerO]

Home-Assistant/esphome/presence at main · EvisHome/Home-Assistant

My Home Assistant guides, examples and YAMLs for dashboards, projects and reference purposes - Home-Assistant/esphome/presence at main · EvisHome/Home-Assistant

[CatmanV2]

Thanks

Been looking around and I'm pretty convinced that mm wave sensors can be integrated simpler than that (although perhaps not as neat)

I'm planning on checking out something like this:

Microwave Sensor Switch,360 Degree Automatic Control Radar Motion Detector Smart Light Human Body Presence Sensor Switch(220V-240V SK-700) : Amazon.co.uk: Business, Industry & Science

Which appears to have switched outputs, and connect it to either a Fibaro implant / binary sensor or even cheaper a Shelly.

Another option may be something like this:

BAISE Tuya WiFi Smart Human Presence Sensor, Micro-motion Detect Human Motion Detector for Home Security, Accurate Recognition and Wide Range Perception : Amazon.co.uk: DIY & Tools

Which I hope will have it's own web interface....

C

[wmarcolin]

@catmanv2

Aqara FP1

[CatmanV2]

@wmarcolin said in Light automation thoughts:

@catmanv2

Aqara FP1

Needs HA again though. I'd rather like to avoid another system, personally.

C

[LouisBoles]

interesting idea....