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Organizing/ structuring rule sets and rules
R

Hi guys,

Just wondering how you guys organize your rule sets and rules. I wish I had an extra layer to have some more granularity, but my feature request was not popular.

Maybe there are better ways to organize my rule sets.

I use the rule sets now primarily for rooms. So a rule set per room. But maybe grouping by functionality works better. Any examples/ suggestions would be appreciated.

Multi-System Reactor
Moving MSR from a QNAP container to RP 5 - some issues
Tom_DT

I have installed MSR on a RP5 bare metal and then copied the config and store files. Everything seems to be on the RP5 but I am missing all global expression and I don't see the controller time.

Screenshot 2025-04-06 201446.png

My browser is Microsoft Edge Version 135.0.3179.54 (Official build) (64-bit)

I have probably done something stupid or missed a step but I am stuck.

Thanks for any help.

Multi-System Reactor
Widget deletion does not work and landing page (status) is empy
M

Hi,
It seems that the widget deletion does not work. I tried to drag the widget to the left (as explained in here https://smarthome.community/topic/1071/deleting-widgets?_=1744037333660)
but it does not delete it. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

Also the landing page after login is empty and seems be have some JS issues on the dev console:

Screenshot from 2025-04-07 18-06-19.png

fd7f0424-debb-49d3-86d8-9a3b09ad3868-image.png

Using dockerized version of Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25082-3c348de6 on Chromium 135.0.7049.52 (Official Build) snap (64-bit)

br,
mgvra

Multi-System Reactor
Need help reducing false positive notifications
T

Good day all,
I have an notification set up for my washing machine to let me know when it's complete. I have a templete sensor set up in HAAS to let me know if it's Washing, in Standby, or off, based upon the power consumption (Shelly 1PM on outlets)

- name: "Washing Machine" state: > {% if states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float == 0 %} Off {% elif states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float <= 2.9 %} Standby {% else %} Washing {% endif %} icon: > {% if states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power") == "off" %} mdi:washing-machine-alert {% elif states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float <= 2.9 %} mdi:washing-machine-off {% else %} mdi:washing-machine {% endif %} minutes: 2

The MSR code is relatively simple. I have a built in false positive attribute for if MSR gets rebooted, because I would suddenly get tons of notifications when I upgraded MSR.

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What I'm trying to introduce, is a way to verify that I just didn't bump the knob on the washing machine when transferring loads from the washer to the dryer, which turns on the display and brings the power above the Standby threshold.

The power goes up to 3.7W for about 4 minutes if the selector knob is bumped/turned.

What would the best way to do this be? I have most of my MSR code set up for a couple of years now, and my coding logic is struggling a bit.

I think I need a power threshold to be substained for a minimum time period (say 2 or 3 minutes, above 10W), before the other triggers can act. What would the best way to do that be?

Running: latest-25082-3c348de6
Fedora 41 Server
HAAS:
Core
2025.3.4
Supervisor
2025.03.4
Operating System
15.1
Frontend
20250306.0

Multi-System Reactor
Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT

Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here.

Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
Multi-System Reactor
Deleting widgets
tunnusT

Hopefully a trivial question, but how do you delete widgets in a status page? Using build 22266

Multi-System Reactor
MQTT configuration question
tunnusT

I have the following yaml configuration in local_mqtt_devices file

x_mqtt_device: set_speed: arguments: speed: type: str topic: "command/%friendly_name%" payload: type: json expr: '{ "fan": parameters.speed }'

While this works fine, I'm wondering how this could be changed to "fixed" parameters, as in this case "fan" only accepts "A", "Q" or a numeric value of 1-5?

Multi-System Reactor
System Configuration Check - time is offset
F

Hi!

I get this message when I'm on the status tab:

System Configuration Check
The time on this system and on the Reactor host are significantly different. This may be due to incorrect system configuration on either or both. Please check the configuration of both systems. The host reports 2025-04-01T15:29:29.252Z; browser reports 2025-04-01T15:29:40.528Z; difference 11.276 seconds.

I have MSR installed as a docker on my Home Assistant Blue / Hardkernel ODROID-N2/N2+. MSR version is latest-25082-3c348de6.
HA versions are:
Core 2025.3.4
Supervisor 2025.03.4
Operating System 15.1

I have restarted HA as well as MSR multiple times. This message didn´t show two weeks ago. Don´t know if it have anything to do with the latest MSR version.
Do anyone know what I can try?
Thanks in advance!
Let's Be Careful Out There (Hill Street reference...) 🙂
/Fanan

Multi-System Reactor
Programmatically capture HTTP Request action status code or error
therealdbT

I have a very strange situation, where if InfluxDB restarts, other containers may fail when restarting at the same time (under not easy to understand circumstances), and InfluxDB remains unreachable (and these containers crashes). I need to reboot these containers in an exact order, after rebooting InfluxDB.

While I understand what's going on, I need a way to reliable determine that InfluxDB is not reachable and these containers are not reachable, in order to identify this situation and manually check what's going on - and, maybe, in the future, automatically restart them if needed.

So, I was looking at HTTP Request action, but I need to capture the HTTP response code, instead of the response (becase if ping is OK, InfluxDB will reply with a 204), and, potentially, a way to programmatically detect that it's failing to get the response.

While I could write a custom HTTP controller for this or a custom HTTP virtual device, I was wondering if this is somewhat on you roadmap @toggledbits

Thanks!

Multi-System Reactor
ZwaveJSUI - RGBWW BULB - Warm/Cold White interfered with RGB settings - Bulb doesn't change color if in WarmWhite state.
N

Hi ,
I'm on
-Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25067-62e21a2d
-Docker on Synology NAS
-ZWaveJSUI 9.31.0.6c80945

Problem with ZwaveJSUI:
When I try to change color to a bulb RGBWW, it doesn't change to the RGB color and the bulb remains warm or cold white.
I tryed with Zipato RGBW Bulb V2 RGBWE2, Hank Bulb HKZW-RGB01, Aentec 6 A-ZWA002, so seems that it happens with all RGBWW bulb with reactor/zwavejsui.

I'm using from reator the entity action: "rgb_color.set" and "rgb_color.set_rgb".
After I send the reactor command, It changes in zwavejsui the rgb settings but doesn't put the white channel to "0", so the prevalent channel remains warm/cold White and the bulb doesn't change into the rgb color.

This is the status of the bulb in zwavejsui after "rgb_color.set" (235,33,33,) and the bulb is still warmWhite.

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor={"warmWhite":204,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33}

The "cold white" and "warm white" settings interfer with the rgb color settings.

Reactor can change bulb colors with rgb_color set — (value, ui8, 0x000000 to 0xffffff) or rgb_color set_rgb — (red, green, blue, all ui1, 0 to 255) but if warm or cold white
are not to "0", zwavejsui doesn't change them and I can't find a way to change into rgb or from rgb back to warm white.

So if I use from reactor: rgb_color set_rgb — (235,33,33) in zwavejsui I have

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: targetColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: targetColor 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: currentColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: currentColor

In zwavejsui, the bulb changes rgb set but warm White remains to "204" and the bulb remais on warm White channel bacause is prevalent on rgb set.

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_0=204 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_1=0 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_2=235 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_3=33 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_4=33

Is it possible to targetColor also for "warmWhite" and "coldWhite" and have something similar to this?

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"warmWhite":0,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33}

Thanks in advance.

Multi-System Reactor
Problem with simultaneous notifications.
T

Good day all,
I have a reaction set up, that I use for both troubleshooting and changing home modes when one of my family members either arrive or are leaving. I use the companion app for HAAS on our iPhones, and HAAS reports if the person associated with the iPhone enters or leaves the geofenced area around my home. I'm sure most MSR and HAAS users are familiar with this.

I use this rule set mainly as a condition for other rules, however, as part of troubleshooting, a notification is sent through HAAS to the companion app when the rule becomes true. The problem is that I'm getting notifications now for both arriving and departing simultaneously.

96b3f7db-ba09-499e-a78c-86903b603857-image.png

36903cdd-a87f-473b-82ef-af9ef96d3c44-image.png It used to work fine as intended. I'm not sure exactly when it changed, but now I'm getting two notifications when either of these conditions change.

Any idea what could be happening?

Edit:
Running: latest-25082-3c348de6, bare-metal Linux
ZWaveJSControllerr [0.1.25082]

Multi-System Reactor
Problem after upgrading to 25067
R

MSR had been running fine, but I decided to follow the message to upgrade to 25067. Since the upgrade, I have received the message "Controller "<name>" (HubitatController hubitat2) could not be loaded at startup. Its ID is not unique." MSR throws the message on every restart. Has anyone else encountered this problem?
I am running MSR on a Raspberry Pi4 connecting to two Hubitat units over an OpenVPN tunnel. One C8 and a C8 Pro. Both are up-to-date. It appears that despite the error message that MSR may be operating properly.

Multi-System Reactor
Global expressions not always evaluated
tunnusT

Similarly as for local expressions, global expressions evaluate and update fine when getEntity(...) structure is used. However, at least when certain functions are in use, expressions do not update.

Consider the following test case:

Screenshot 2025-03-13 at 16.29.42.png

Even though auto-evaluation is active, value does not change (it changes only if that expression is manually run). MSR restarts do not help.

Screenshot 2025-03-13 at 16.31.43.png

Note: Tested using build 25067 on Docker. I have also a PR open (but couldn't now get details or PR number as my Mantis account was somehow expired?).

Multi-System Reactor
[Solved] Local expression evaluation
V

Trying to understand what cause a local expresssion to be evaluated. I have read the manual but I am still not clear about it. Using the test rule below, I can see in the log that the rule is being automatically evaluated every time the temperature entity is changing. That is great...

What I am trying to understand is why the expression is not evaluated based on time as well since the "case" statement has time dependencies.

Any help would be appreciated

I have the following test rule:

eba6a3ea-ff61-4610-88c9-9b9864f11ff8-Screenshot 2025-01-21 095244.png

2d9c1ff5-7b73-4005-b324-9029c2709db9-Screenshot 2025-01-21 095302.png

Here is the expressioncode:

vFrom1 = "09:25:00", vFrom2 = "09:30:00", vFrom3 = "09:41:00", vTo = "10:55:00", # Get current time (format HH:MM:SS) vToDay = strftime("%H:%M:%S"), #Get current house temperature CurrentHouseTemp = getEntity( "hass>Thermostat2 " ).attributes.temperature_sensor.value, case when CurrentHouseTemp <= 19 and vToDay >= vFrom1 && vToDay <= vTo: "true1" # From1 when CurrentHouseTemp <= 20 and vToDay >= vFrom2 && vToDay <= vTo: "true2" # From2 when CurrentHouseTemp < 26  and vToDay >= vFrom3 && vToDay <= vTo: "true3" # From3 else "false" end
Multi-System Reactor
[Solved] Runtime error when exiting global reaction that contains a group
S

I am getting a Runtime error on different browsers when I click exit when editing an existing or creating a new global reaction containing a group. If the global reaction does not have a group I don't get an error. I see a similar post on the forum about a Runtime Error when creating reactions but started a new thread as that appears to be solved.

The Runtime Error is different in the two browsers
Safari v18.3

@http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:44 You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community.

Google Chrome 133.0.6943.142

TypeError: self.editor.isModified is not a function at HTMLButtonElement.<anonymous> (http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:34) You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community.

Steps to reproduce:
Click the pencil to edit a global reaction with a group.
Click the Exit button.
Runtime error appears.
or
Click Create Reaction
Click Add Action
Select Group
Add Condition such as Entity Attribute.
Add an Action.
Click Save
Click Exit
Runtime error appears.

I don’t know how long the error has been there as I haven’t edited the global reaction in a long time.

Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25060-f32eaa46
Docker
Mac OS: 15.3.1
Thanks

Multi-System Reactor
Cannot delete Global Expressions
SnowmanS

I am trying to delete a global expression (gLightDelay) but for some strange reason, it comes back despite clicking the Delete this expression and Save Changes buttons.

I have not created a global expression for some times and just noticed this while doing some clean-up.

I have upgraded Reactor to 25067 from 25060 and the behaviour is still there. I have restarted Reactor (as well as restarting its container) and cleared the browser's cache several times without success.

Here's what the log shows.

[latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:22.690Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:26.254Z <GlobalExpression:NOTICE> Deleting global expression gLightDelay [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:27.887Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" }

Reactor latest-25067-62e21a2d
Docker on Synology NAS

Multi-System Reactor
Local notification methods?
CatmanV2C

Morning, experts. Hard on learning about the internet check script in MSR tools, I was wondering what suggestions anyone has about a local (i.e. non-internet dependent) notification method.

This was prompted by yesterday's fun and games with my ISP.

I've got the script Cronned and working properly but short of flashing a light on and off, I'm struggling to think of a way of alerting me (ideally to my phone)

I guess I could set up a Discord server at home, but that feels like overkill for a rare occasion. Any other suggestions?

TIA

C

Multi-System Reactor
Custom capabilities in MQTT templates
M

Hi,
I'm trying to integrate the sonos-mqtt (https://sonos2mqtt.svrooij.io/) with the MSR and it's coming along nicely so far.
But cannot wrap my head around how to define custom capabilities in MQTT templates. I need this for the TTS announcements and similarly for the notification sounds where I would pass the sound file as parameter.

So this is what I have in the local_mqtt_devices.yaml

capabilities: x_sonos_announcement: attributes: actions: speak: arguments: text: type: string volume: type: int delay: type: int

And this is the template:

templates: sonos-announcement: capabilities: - x_sonos_announcement actions: x_sonos_announcement: speak: topic: "sonos/cmd/speak" payload: expr: > { "text": parameters.text, "volume": parameters.volume, "delayMs": parameters.delay, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" } type: json

So the speak action should send something like this to topic sonos/cmd/speak

{ "text": "message goes here", "volume": 50, "delayMs": 100, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" }

At startup the MSR seems to be quite unhappy with my configuration:

reactor | [latest-25016]2025-02-09T08:19:59.029Z <MQTTController:WARN> MQTTController#mqtt entity Entity#mqtt>sonos-announcement unable to configure capabilities [Array][ "x_sonos_announcement" ] reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} has unrecognized capability {1:q} in actions reactor | Trace: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | at _T (/opt/reactor/server/lib/i18n.js:611:28) reactor | at AlertManager.addAlert (/opt/reactor/server/lib/AlertManager.js:125:25) reactor | at MQTTController.sendWarning (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Controller.js:627:30) reactor | at MQTTController.start (/var/reactor/ext/MQTTController/MQTTController.js:268:26) reactor | at async Promise.allSettled (index 0) Configuration for "sonos-announcement" has unrecognized capability "x_sonos_announcement" in actions Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM Configuration for "sonos-announcement" is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: x_sonos_announcement Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM

This is probably a pretty stupid question and the approach may not even work at all, but maybe someone or @toggledbits for sure, could point me to the right direction.
Basically the idea is to be able to send TTS messages from reactions using entity actions. I've previously used HTTP requests to Sonos HTTP API (https://hub.docker.com/r/chrisns/docker-node-sonos-http-api/) for the same functionality, but since moving to sonos-mqtt, I need a way to send the TTS notifications using MQTTController. Along with the actual message, volume and delay must also be parameterizable.

br,
mgvra

MSR latest-25016-d47fea38 / MQTTController [0.2.24293]

Multi-System Reactor
[SOLVED]Hass websocket falsely reporting ready on boot??
V

Hi, @toggledbits

I just noticed that following a reboot of my raspberry pi, some of the rules, that I was expecting to recover, are not catching up following a reboot. I have made a simple test rule (rule-m6rz6ol1) with only "after Date/time" as trigger and "turn on a lamp" as a set reaction. All my infrastructure is on the same board so Reactor, Hass, Zwavejs, ... are all rebooting.

Here is the sequence of the test case (All time converted to Zulu to match logs):

Rule "after Date/Time" set to 14:05:00z Shutdown on Raspberry Pi at 14:04:00z Power back up at 14:08:00z Rule overview shows true as of 14:08:14z waiting for 00:00:00 in GUI

From the log I can see that MSR is picking up the rule and knows that the state of the rule has changed from false to true and tries to send the update to HASS but failed with websocket error.

Here is what I see from the log:

14:04:04z shutdown complete 14:08:08z Power up 14:08:13.111z websocket connection 14:08:15:323z Reaction to the light failed, Websocket not opened After there is a series of websocket connection attempt until 14:08:51z where it seemed to be really ready.

Back in 2021 we had a discussion (https://smarthome.community/topic/700/solved-start-up?_=1738766986566) and you proposed to add a startup_delay:xxxx and startup_wait:xxxx parameter in the engine section of "reactor.yaml". When I try the startup_delay (this used to be a hard delay), the engine failed to start (I think). I then try the startup_wait:xxxx without any success. Since it wait for the connection status to be up to cancel the delay, it does not do anyting since Hass is reporting the socket up without really being up ( I think...).

Questions:

Did I figured it all wrong? should the startup_delay:xxxxx have worked? Any ideas?

Here is the log:

OK now I am stuck. I did add the log but when I submit the editor complained saying that I am limited to 32767 characters. The log from the shutdown to the time the websocket is stable is about 300000 character long. What are my options?

Multi-System Reactor
[SOLVED]Logs permissions for Docker Install
V

Not a big issue simply a request if easily doable.

The MSR logs files inside the container are owned by root witch is fine however, the permissions are very restrictive. I do not know if there is something wrong with my installation but the logs permission are set to 222 (write only). Even if the docker volume is set for Read/Write the log files are retaining these values.

I go around the problem by doing a chmod 777 on all reactor logs but every time there is an MSR log rotation the permissions are set back to 222. So unless the permission are implemented in the container there is no permanent solution to this (that I know of).

I do not know much about Docker container so I do not know what is involved here.

Can the logfiles permission be simply chaged in the container to at least allow "other" read permission?

Could the MSR log rotation routine implement a chmod to set the permission?

Just a small anoyance

Thanks

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    wrote on last edited by
    #101

    Confused. Are you asking for this to be added?

    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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      #102

      I think so, if it's possible. Just wanted to (a) make sure that ?[ doesn't exist yet (my testing seems inconclusive), and (b) you consider it necessary. I've already bumped into a potential use case.

      So, I suppose "Yes, add it" at least for consistency with existing ?. usage.

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        replied to LibraSun on last edited by toggledbits
        #103

        @librasun OK... so I think I'm seeing through the confusion now...

        The ?[ and ?. operators already exist; they were added together with ?? a long time ago. They are left-associative, so they refer to the operand on the left. In your examples, they will not work as you are trying to get them to because obj is non-null in every case (it's the first thing defined in the example). I think what you mean to say is:

        obj={'122':['a',5, true]}
        obj['123']?[0] // which will return null and not throw an error
        obj['122']?[0] // which will return (string) "a"
        

        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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          #104

          Agree with everything you just wrote. I was mis-applying the question marks, as far as placement in my expression (treating it as a prepend instead of append). Thanks for straightening me out yet again.

          I had mistakenly thought this construct only worked on objects.?with.?arbitrary.?keys and arrays[with_arbitary_indexes]? and not object keys (with non-standard names) referred to via brackets. My bad.

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            LibraSun
            wrote on last edited by LibraSun
            #105

            CODE SAMPLE: Creating an Array of N Whole Numbers [0, 1, ... , N]

            Sometimes you need an array of Counting Numbers from zero to some arbitrary integer N. But it's hard to write this as an Expression in MSR, because you don't know in advance how long to make the array, and the value of N may change later.

            This somewhat byzantine construct fills the bill, and works for N=0 up to N=56:

            arrCount := N=56,each s in keys(substr((s='s'+1/9)+s+s,0,N+1)): int(s)
            

            This example evaluates to the array:

            arrCount == [0,1,2, … ,55,56]
            

            Just change the number after N= (it could also be another variable name, of course!) to suit your needs.

            BONUS: Need more numbers? Just add another +s in the middle for an additional 19 integers (giving max. N=75). Repeat indefinitely!

            P.S. @toggledbits I may need to enter this in the Obfuscated Lexpjs Code contest!

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              wrote on last edited by toggledbits
              #106

              I think it's a grand prize winner for the "Solutions for Problems Nobody Has Ever Had Using Reactor" contest, for sure, but I'll admit it's not a straightforward problem to solve without a counting loop structure, so the question is, what's the best approach:

              1. Implement a counting loop statement (for in many languages);
              2. Take the Python-ish approach and have either a range() function or a start..end range operator, which you could use as the operand in each;
              3. Other?

              Choice 2 is better suited to an expression environment, but we already ride the fine edge with each, first and do statements in the current language. But in keeping with the flavor, each of these statements still produces an expression result, so still arguably as much operator as statement; it's less clear what a sensible return result from "for" might be. On the other hand, #2 requires an array be built in memory over which to iterate, and an error could easily build a large array that consumes dangerously large amounts of (or all) available memory and have a negative impact on stability (so perhaps more safeguards in order, but how big is too big?).

              EDIT: I just prototyped the two options given above:

              # Example for to build array of values 1-25
              arr=[]; for i =1,25: push(arr, i)
              # That's unnecessarily clunky and could be streamlined by making "for" return an array
              # of result values like "each":
              arr=for i=1,25: i
              # But then... that means "for" is about the same as "each", just different operands.
              # In my mind, that kind of argues for option 2:
              arr=each i in range(1,25): i
              # or
              arr=each i in 1..25: i
              # and even that's unnecessary, because you could just do
              arr=range(1,25)
              arr=1..25
              # because both of those naturally return an array.
              # Another example, to sum all the values from 1 to 25 it would be:
              sum=0; for i in 1,25: sum=sum+i
              sum=0; each i in range(1,25): sum=sum+i
              sum=0; each i in 1..25: sum=sum+i
              

              I think the range operator .. is the cleanest all around, and relieves the ambiguity of having both for and each so similar. I'm not sure .. is any easier or harder to learn/remember than having a function range(start,end). So I'm leaning toward option 2 with range operator ...

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                wrote on last edited by LibraSun
                #107

                100% agree that sum=0; each i in 1..25: sum=sum+i makes the most sense in terms of conciseness without introducing another function name. I don't foresee any usability issues with an m..n operator generally.

                I'd expect .. to accept any integer, – or +, for its arguments m and n, regardless if m>n or n>m. Use cases include step functions or monotonic sequences for things like dimming levels over time.

                Sure looks better than what I came up with, eh? 🐶

                Glad I brought it up, because I had recently been hand-coding my own arrays for use with each.

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                  #108

                  @toggledbits For today's checkup on how Expressions handle assigning values by reference, I constructed:

                  a=b=c=[1,2,3], pop(a), shift(b), [a==b,b==c,a==c,c]
                  

                  // result is [true,true,true,[2]]

                  A. Pls confirm this is as expected. (I'm guessing 'Yes')
                  B. Does result comport with typical user's expectations? (I'm guessing 50/50)
                  C. I know you don't want me mashing that "Try" ► button (in lieu of actual, useful, runtime evals).

                  Just something that's been on my mind, wondering if it belongs in your Test Suite.

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                    #109

                    You can't compare arrays (or objects) with ==. What it's telling you when you write a==b is that neither a nor b are null, 0, or false, and they are identical references. So yes, this is all expected.

                    As for it comporting with user expectations, if the user is a programmer, I think this will be no surprise. Non-programmers have the learning curve. Again, another reason I really don't like guiding users to expressions. New users, IMO, should be blissfully unaware of their existence.

                    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                      #110

                      Wise words!

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                        wrote on last edited by toggledbits
                        #111

                        By the way, I forgot to mention, as is often necessary in many languages because of the reference issue, there is a clone() function that makes a new copy of an existing array or object. So a=[1,2,3],b=clone(a),push(b,99) will result in a having [1,2,3] and b having [1,2,3,99].

                        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                          wrote on last edited by LibraSun
                          #112

                          It's as if you read my mind. I suppose my numerous "cloning arrays" examples gave it away.

                          Without clone(), I was never (easily) able to manipulate a copied array without affecting the original, and that was driving me bonkers.

                          Thanks!

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                            #113

                            @toggledbits , am digging how the new a..b operator behaves predictably, fixing the decimal of a and spitting out integer steps up to ≤b when both a,b > 0 and a < b. For example:

                            a = 1 .. 3.3
                            // result (array) [1,2,3]
                            a = 1.1 .. 2.3
                            // result (array) (array) [1.1,2.1]
                            

                            But sometimes it tries too hard, particularly in this case where a < 0:

                            a = -2.3 .. 1.1
                            // result (array) [-2.3,-1.2999999999999998,-0.2999999999999998,0.7000000000000002]
                            

                            or here, where a > b:

                            a = 2.3 .. 1.1
                            // result (array) [2.3,1.2999999999999998]
                            

                            All testing thus far using only INTEGERS has avoided any rounding issues, so that will likely become my mantra on usage.
                            rev. 21123

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                              #114

                              KEEP TURNING OFF LIGHTS!

                              I thought it might be fun to have a Rule that periodically watches for lights (any device, really) left on, but I wanted the entire "action" part of the Rule to live inside a single expression. Here's what I came up with:

                              devs = each dev in getEntity( "vera>controller_all" ).members:
                                match( dev , ".*device_\\d+" ),
                              devices = each dev in devs: 
                                indexOf( getEntity( dev ).actions, "dimming.set" ) > -1 ? dev : null,
                              performAction( f = first dev in devices with getEntity( dev ).attributes.power_switch.state, "power_switch.off", { } ), 
                              getEntity( f ).name + " turned off."
                              

                              This example only checks dimmable lights paired with Vera, but could easily be modified to include other classes of device connected to other controllers, etc.
                              The way it works is it (Line 1) pulls all of the member devices associated with Vera; (Line 2) filters the list to disregard devices not of the form device_NNN; (Lines 3-4) checks to see whether each device handles dimming; and, (Line 5) passes along only those for performAction() to turn off individually (one "On" device per cycle); finally, (Line 6) the name of the most recently turned-off device is logged.

                              I concocted this behemoth because my Vera routinely chokes on my "Lights Out" rule, which attempts to switch 20 devices OFF all at once. I felt it might be more prudent to handle the switching at a slower pace, with the added benefit that if anyone turns ON one of the listed devices during "Lights Out" time, this rule would spot it and turn it back off automatically.

                              Comments?

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                                #115

                                I suggest adding both comments (# to end of line is a comment in lexpjs) and indent spaces for clarity (e.g. the match clause on the second line is part of the each on the first line, so IMO an indent would make this much more clear).

                                That search on the first two lines suggests that MSR may need a deterministic way to differentiate an entity that represents a device from entities that represent other system data. I'll think about that, because it has come up before.

                                Another way to write the test on line 4 is 'dimming' in getEntity( dev ).capabilities. The capabilities property is an object, so the in operator works by directly testing on that object, and will be much faster than using indexof() on the actions array. Given, this operation probably would not run frequently, so that kind of optimization may be overkill, but I assert that this alternative to the array search is actually easier to interpret as well, and where performance is not the leading goal, clarity is a good next candidate.

                                The inline assignment to a temporary variable on 5 and used in line 6 is clever and makes me cackle with glee.

                                Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                  LibraSun
                                  wrote on last edited by LibraSun
                                  #116

                                  @toggledbits and other puzzle lovers... I challenge you to paste in this Expression definition and run it with the 'try' button, to solve this heavily obfuscated conundrum:

                                  solve="<creator_mystery>";
                                  s1="(.)";s2="(..)";s3="(...)";s4=s1+s1;s5=s2+s2;s6=s3+s3;who=getEntity(replace(solve,s4+s6+s4+s4+s5+s1,"\$3\$2\$4\$5\$8\$7\$8\$9\$6\$11\$8\$7\$8\$9\$6"));
                                  you=who[keys(who)[0x07]];are=you[keys(you)[0b01]];upper(substr(are[keys(are)[0o10]],0,0o13))
                                  

                                  |-Answer: _____________°fa-info°(S┴IqpƎ˥פפO┴)-|

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                                    LibraSun
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #117

                                    @toggledbits , how does MSR "know" that an expression like:

                                    each dev in devs: getEntity(dev).attributes.power_switch.state ? dev : null
                                    

                                    contains dependencies on the status of (potentially) many devices?

                                    It's neat that MSR almost immediately detects when a light gets turned on, for instance, and the resulting array grows by one within less than a second. But what is cuing MSR to re-evaluate the above expression so quickly behind the scenes?

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #118

                                      If devs is a constant list, the iteration visits each dev through getEntity(), and that function subscribes to any device it is asked to resolve. So the first time the expression is evaluated, it has subscribed to every device in devs.

                                      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                        LibraSun
                                        wrote on last edited by LibraSun
                                        #119

                                        @toggledbits meanwhile, as I watch the steady stream of "changed entities" (involving devices that are otherwise just minding their own business, doing nothing) going by on Status, such as:

                                        Sound Bar Beam
                                        vera>device_322
                                        Playing
                                        17:39:11
                                        Sofa Lamp
                                        vera>device_138
                                        false
                                        17:39:00
                                        

                                        do you recommend any changes to Vera in order to throttle that traffic, or is it just customary Z-Wave polling in action?

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                                          toggledbits
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #120

                                          The rule or expression isn't reacting to every device, only those devices that end up being a target of getEntity(). The polling activity will cause additional evaluations, but it causes little actual additional load on the (MSR) system, certainly not enough to make it worth your time to try to put a dent in it. Party on!

                                          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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