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Self test
CatmanV2C
Having been messing around with some stuff I worked a way to self trigger some tests that I wanted to do on the HA <> MSR integration This got me wondering if there's an entity that changes state / is exposed when a configured controller goes off line? I can't see one but thought it might be hidden or something? Cheers C
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How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
cw-kidC
Hello I haven't updated my installation of MSR in a very long time. Its a bare metal Linux install currently on version 24366-3de60836 I see the latest version is now latest-26011-c621bbc7 I assume I cannot just jump from a very old version to the latest version? Or can I? Thanks
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Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
tunnusT
Using build 25328 and having the following users.yaml configuration: users: # This section defines your valid users. admin: ******* groups: # This section defines your user groups. Optionally, it defines application # and API access restrictions (ACLs) for the group. Users may belong to # more than one group. Again, no required or special groups here. admin_group: users: - admin applications: true # special form allows access to ALL applications guests: users: "*" applications: - dashboard api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin_group allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: true session: timeout: 7200 # (seconds) rolling: true # activity extends timeout when true # If log_acls is true, the selected ACL for every API access is logged. log_acls: true # If debug_acls is true, even more information about ACL selection is logged. debug_acls: true My goal is to allow anonymous user to dashboard, but MSR is still asking for a password when trying to access that. Nothing in the logs related to dashboard access. Probably an error in the configuration, but help needed to find that. Tried to put url: "/dashboard" under api_acls, but that was a long shot and didn't work.
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
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I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Possible feature request 2?
CatmanV2C
Just another thought. Adding devices from my Home Assistant / Zigbee2MQTT integration. Works perfectly but they always add as their IEEE address. Some of these devices have up to 10 entities associated, and the moment they are renamed to something sensible, each of those entities 'ceases to exist' in MSR. I like things tidy, and deleting each defunct entity needs 3 clicks. Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option? No biggy as I've pretty much finished my Z-wave migration and I don't expect to be adding more than 2 new Zigbee devices Cheers C
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Copying a global reaction
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With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
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Need help with sequence
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Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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Possible feature request?
CatmanV2C
No idea how easy this would be. During my migration away from Z-wave I've been replacing the Z-wave devices with Sonoff which has broken some of my automations. Any chance of a 'Test Reaction' function to call out which ones are broken because an entity no longer exists? Without actually running the reaction? Or does this exist already and I'm just not aware of how to do it? Obviously I can see entities that are no longer available, but not quite what I'm looking for. I guess it's something of an edge case so no huge issue. TIA! C
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CatmanV2C
I'm sure this has been asked, and answered, but damned if I can figure it out Use case: I have a rear garden with lights. A door from the kitchen into the garden and a door from the garage. Currently if I open the kitchen door the lights come on (yay) and a 3 minute delay starts. After 3 minutes, no matter what else happens, the lights go off (Boo! But also yay!) What I would like is for the 3 minute delay until the lights go off to start from the latest door open event. That is, if I'm going from kitchen to garage, and back again, the lights stay on until there's three minutes of no activity. I've tried 'hacking' with a virtual switch, but can't seem to stop the delay. Any pointers? TIA C
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A couple of suggestions for MSR

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    therealdb
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    I've moved all the triggers and rules to MSR now, and I'm pushing everything to my MQTT broker for further integration, but some code is still on my Vera because it's easier at the moment. I've moved back a lot of code to my C# based tool, because it's easier for me.

    After a full week of use, I've got a couple of desiderata to further improve this wonderful tool:

    • I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK
    • More info about reactions latest execution - or the ability to see them via MQTT. Ideally, show me the latest 4-5 executions
    • start page directly to status, instead of about, after the first time I've seen the license
    • the ability search for device ID/alias in the Entity Action's Chose Entity window - I've spent years in my Vera and I know the IDs instead of the name - sad but true story
    • a way to see controllers' status and their health in the UI - and maybe start/stop them individually, because I'm seeing there's a start and a stop action in the controller base class
    • the ability to use an MQTT message as a trigger/condition - I'm effectively using the MQTT bus as a communication bus, so all my things (including Vera) are sending MQTT messages for various things, like notifications, TTS, cams, etc - this is handy because I can add independent reactions to statuses in different part of my system/using different tools
    • support for re-ordering in mobile browser (iOS, for me)
    • a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition

    Keep them as suggestion, no pressure. Thanks for the hard work @toggledbits !

    --
    On a mission to automate everything.

    My MS Reactor contrib
    My Luup Plug-ins

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      toggledbits
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      Good suggestions all and I appreciate it. Some I've heard before. As you may expect, it carries more weight with my scheduling when I get repeated requests, or when others give feedback/upvotes on particular requests (specifically, not the entire post -- that doesn't really help me prioritize, unless we're talking about just one thing).

      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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      • therealdbT therealdb

        I've moved all the triggers and rules to MSR now, and I'm pushing everything to my MQTT broker for further integration, but some code is still on my Vera because it's easier at the moment. I've moved back a lot of code to my C# based tool, because it's easier for me.

        After a full week of use, I've got a couple of desiderata to further improve this wonderful tool:

        • I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK
        • More info about reactions latest execution - or the ability to see them via MQTT. Ideally, show me the latest 4-5 executions
        • start page directly to status, instead of about, after the first time I've seen the license
        • the ability search for device ID/alias in the Entity Action's Chose Entity window - I've spent years in my Vera and I know the IDs instead of the name - sad but true story
        • a way to see controllers' status and their health in the UI - and maybe start/stop them individually, because I'm seeing there's a start and a stop action in the controller base class
        • the ability to use an MQTT message as a trigger/condition - I'm effectively using the MQTT bus as a communication bus, so all my things (including Vera) are sending MQTT messages for various things, like notifications, TTS, cams, etc - this is handy because I can add independent reactions to statuses in different part of my system/using different tools
        • support for re-ordering in mobile browser (iOS, for me)
        • a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition

        Keep them as suggestion, no pressure. Thanks for the hard work @toggledbits !

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        @therealdb said in A couple of suggestions for MSR:

        I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK

        This is something I previously suggested and believe it would be very helpful. Something like the Hubitat logs from the web UI. 👍

        Synology Docker MSR, Hubitat, Home Assistant, Homebridge, ZwaveJS, MQTT, NUT controller.

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          @therealdb said in A couple of suggestions for MSR:

          I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK

          This is something I previously suggested and believe it would be very helpful. Something like the Hubitat logs from the web UI. 👍

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          This would be rather helpful.

          *Hubitat C-7 2.4.3.177
          *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

          *HAOS
          Core 2026.1.1
          w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
          FW: v1.1
          SDK: v7.23.1

          *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
          MSR: latest-26011-c621bbc7
          MQTTController: 25139
          ZWave Controller: 25139

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          • toggledbitsT toggledbits

            Good suggestions all and I appreciate it. Some I've heard before. As you may expect, it carries more weight with my scheduling when I get repeated requests, or when others give feedback/upvotes on particular requests (specifically, not the entire post -- that doesn't really help me prioritize, unless we're talking about just one thing).

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            @toggledbits yep, they’re just ideas. No pressure, no expectations. Lemme know if you prefer a post in mantis bt or separate posts to track votes.

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            On a mission to automate everything.

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              Crille
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              I upvoted because they are all good suggestions and have been mention before.
              My 2 cents priority would be:

              • a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition
              • I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK
              • start page directly to status, instead of about, after the first time I've seen the license
              • a way to see controllers' status and their health in the UI - and maybe start/stop them individually, because I'm seeing there's a start and a stop action in the controller base class
              • support for re-ordering in mobile browser (iOS, for me)
              • More info about reactions latest execution - or the ability to see them via MQTT. Ideally, show me the latest 4-5 executions
              • the ability to use an MQTT message as a trigger/condition - I'm effectively using the MQTT bus as a communication bus, so all my things (including Vera) are sending MQTT messages for various things, like notifications, TTS, cams, etc - this is handy because I can add independent reactions to statuses in different part of my system/using different tools
              • the ability search for device ID/alias in the Entity Action's Chose Entity window - I've spent years in my Vera and I know the IDs instead of the name - sad but true story (@therealdb this is a bit sick though 😉 )
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                Allowing the MQTT service to be created as a container, or couple the MQTT service directly with the MSR container would be great. With the exception of openLuup, I don't install anything on my HA server that is not containerized. The reason being that dependencies get corrupted, or changed by another app, or services conflict, etc..... Containers eliminate all that chaos and allow me to take down any software that's not working, all the while not destabilizing the underlying server.

                Also, I use MSR primarily for Vera/openLuup and Home Assistant. It appears that the connection to HA is a websocket, allowing HA to async updates to MSR, whereas the connection to Vera is REST based relying on polling. Due to underlying issues with the Lua socket library, I try to keep polling to an absolute minimum so I have MSR turned off at the moment. What would be really cool is a plugin that would reside on openLuup or a Vera that would catch any and all changed states, and then push those state changes to MSR, perhaps with a synchronous acknowledgement. This complicates MSR of course, as you would need to install two separate pieces of software, however, I think the benefits of a push model, outweigh the downside of maintaining two separate apps. On the other hand, Vera is not long for this world, so perhaps the effort is not worth it.

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                  I upvoted because they are all good suggestions and have been mention before.
                  My 2 cents priority would be:

                  • a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition
                  • I would like to see the logs in the web UI. I'm frequently tweaking things and opening an SSH connection just to see the latest logs is overkill. Maybe something to see the streaming logs will be perfect, but refreshing them is OK
                  • start page directly to status, instead of about, after the first time I've seen the license
                  • a way to see controllers' status and their health in the UI - and maybe start/stop them individually, because I'm seeing there's a start and a stop action in the controller base class
                  • support for re-ordering in mobile browser (iOS, for me)
                  • More info about reactions latest execution - or the ability to see them via MQTT. Ideally, show me the latest 4-5 executions
                  • the ability to use an MQTT message as a trigger/condition - I'm effectively using the MQTT bus as a communication bus, so all my things (including Vera) are sending MQTT messages for various things, like notifications, TTS, cams, etc - this is handy because I can add independent reactions to statuses in different part of my system/using different tools
                  • the ability search for device ID/alias in the Entity Action's Chose Entity window - I've spent years in my Vera and I know the IDs instead of the name - sad but true story (@therealdb this is a bit sick though 😉 )
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                  @crille said in A couple of suggestions for MSR:

                  My 2 cents priority would be:

                  a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition

                  Concur +1 on #1

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                    toggledbits
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                    And ironically, of all the things requested, probably the most difficult thing to do. For reasons previously discussed elsewhere.

                    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                      And ironically, of all the things requested, probably the most difficult thing to do. For reasons previously discussed elsewhere.

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                      @toggledbits

                      Surely in an election between all users, this is the most important "a tool to see where I'm using an entity, as trigger or condition". You have already explained before the difficulty, and that the effective use of a DB would help this crossing of information, but the cost of the DB is still high and can sacrifice a lot of the system.

                      One day you will find a way to #1 MSR request.

                      I would add one more request, that I have commented on before and I am sure you have in your notebook of improvements for the future. In the home screen, the same way you have the Recently Changed Entities board, a board that can show the history of what happens in the Set Rules, so it would be possible to follow the last actions.

                      And again and repeat "Thanks for the hard work @toggledbits" !

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