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Rule condition shows TRUE in UI but Rule never transitions to SET — survives full restart
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Build: latest-26221-b25bb3e3, Docker on Synology. Hi, I have a Rule whose Trigger/Constraints reference other Rules via Rule State ... is TRUE. At some point it stops firing. Expanding the rule's condition tree in the UI shows every Trigger and Constraint condition green/TRUE — confirmed live by walking into the room and watching Motion go true in real time. Rule History shows no new SET, just old reset entries. Tried, on the same rule, same evening: recreating the trigger conditions with fresh IDs, recreating the constraint conditions with fresh IDs (flat and wrapped in a new Group — wrapping in a Group produced one SET, but it didn't reproduce on repeat attempts with the same structure), and finally a full container restart with a verified-correct saved rule. Still no SET, even with a fresh live motion event right after the restart. Separately, I found that this rule (and its 10 per-room clones) share identical internal condition/group IDs with each other — leftover from a batch clone done months ago, never regenerated. Not sure if that's related, since fixing the IDs didn't reliably fix the symptom either. Has anyone seen a Rule State condition show TRUE in the UI without the Rule ever producing a SET, surviving a clean restart? Thanks in advance
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DynamicGroupController and attributes
therealdbT
Hey @toggledbits I'm back to trying to optimize a couple of things based on dynamic group. First of all, I think I found a typo in the doc: primary_attribute: "binary_sensor.state" primary_attribute_value: | d = false; each id in members: d = getEntity(id)?.attributes?.power_switch?.state or d, d I think the correct code snippet is d = false, All that said, my use case for dynamic groups is to group 3 different climate devices, so I could easily command them at the same time. Commands are good, but sometimes I want to check if any of the devices are on, and that's easily done with a similar snippet as the one you have in the docs. But this is limited to the primary attribute, while I want to have any of the attributes in the group to be driven by a similar logic (while all are null in the group). ie, access hvac_control.mode and see if any of the unit is set to cool, or heat. Is that possible, without re-defining an expression in each of my rules? Thanks!
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Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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How to auto start on Rpi reboot ?

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  • cw-kidC cw-kid

    Yes its Raspbian.

    I haven't created or done anything yet.

    I am running MSR currently by using this command:

    nohup ./app.sh &

    Which I am running by using Putty on my Windows 10 laptop.

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    rafale77
    wrote on last edited by rafale77
    #4

    @cw-kid

    If such is the case, create the service by creating the file

    using putty logged in to your rpi:

    sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/msr.service
    

    paste in the following file content make sure the path to msr below is correct and change it if necessary:

    [Unit]
    Description=Multi System Reactor
    After=network.target
    
    [Service]
    Type=simple
    ExecStart=nohup /home/user/msr/app.sh
    Restart=on-failure
    RestartSec=5s
    
    [Install]
    WantedBy=multi-user.target
    

    Hit ctrl+o then ctrl+x to save and exit from nano.

    reload the service daemon:

    sudo systemctl daemon-reload
    

    then enable the service

    sudo systemctl enable msr
    

    You can then start and top the service with the two commands:

    sudo systemctl start msr
    sudo systemctl stop msr
    
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      cw-kid
      wrote on last edited by cw-kid
      #5

      In Nano it says [ Error writing /etc/systemd/system/msr.service: Permission denied ] when trying to save the file.

      I then tried this instead:

      sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/msr.service
      

      And it saved and I now have a file called msr.service in that directory.

      After this command

      sudo systemctl enable msr

      It says

      Failed to enable unit: Invalid argument

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        cw-kid
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        These are the file details / permissions

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          cw-kid
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          This was the contents of the msr.service file.

          I had to change the path slightly.

          [Unit]
          Description=Multi System Reactor
          After=network.target
          
          [Service]
          Type=simple
          ExecStart=nohup /home/pi/Documents/reactor/app.sh
          Restart=on-failure
          RestartSec=5s
          
          [Install]
          WantedBy=multi-user.target
          
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            toggledbits
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            #8

            I would add User=pi at a minimum to the service section.

            I have concerns about the stop action. Investigating...

            Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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              rafale77
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              Thanks, I did miss the sudo for the nano command to create the file.

              The path does look suspicious too in addition to @toggledbits input. There may be other specificities about raspbian I may be missing.

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                cw-kid
                wrote on last edited by cw-kid
                #10

                I made a mistake in the msr.service file. Corrected and now the "sudo systemctl enable msr" command runs with no error.

                I then rebooted the Pi but some time later I still cannot load MSR in the browser.

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                  cw-kid
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  This is the contents of the msr.service file now

                  [Unit]
                  Description=Multi System Reactor
                  After=network.target
                  
                  [Service]
                  User=pi
                  Type=simple
                  ExecStart=nohup /home/pi/Documents/reactor/app.sh
                  Restart=on-failure
                  RestartSec=5s
                  
                  [Install]
                  WantedBy=multi-user.target
                  
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                    rafale77
                    wrote on last edited by rafale77
                    #12

                    can you show the error by posting the output of

                    sudo systemctl status msr
                    
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                      #13

                      There are several things to indicate that the process is not ready for this at this point. Among them is that the nodejs installation done by the installer is local to the pi user. There are also issues with the home directory, and the search paths for modules and data relative to the current working directory vs the path of the application.

                      Too soon. Not ready yet. Not going to fix it tonight. This is prelease software. It isn't mean to run like production software at this point.

                      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                        cw-kid
                        wrote on last edited by cw-kid
                        #14

                        Think I have it working now and MSR is auto starting after a reboot

                        I placed my msr.service file in this directory:

                        /home/pi/Documents/reactor

                        Using WinSCP, on the msr.service file properties, I made its Group and Owner to be pi rather than root.

                        This is the files contents:

                        [Unit]
                        Description=Multi System Reactor
                        After=network.target
                        
                        [Service]
                        Type=simple
                        ExecStart=nohup ./app.sh &
                        WorkingDirectory=/home/pi/Documents/reactor
                        Restart=on-failure
                        RestartSec=5s
                        
                        [Install]
                        WantedBy=multi-user.target
                        

                        I then ran these commands in the terminal in Putty:

                        sudo systemctl enable /home/pi/Documents/reactor/msr.service
                        
                        sudo systemctl start msr
                        

                        And I can check its status with this command:

                        sudo systemctl status msr
                        

                        It says its active and running.

                        If I reboot the Pi now after the reboot the MSR web page is then available and can be accessed.

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                          #15

                          Yeah, but running the shell script is not correct. You're basically having systemd do what the shell script is also doing (restarting when stopped), and it's going to cause problems. Your exec is also forking, so adding yet another layer of indirection that all but guarantees that systemd is going to be looking at the wrong process ID for what it thinks is a running Reactor. That could lead to problems stopping and restarting, and with the possible effect that an incorrect stop causes data loss.

                          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                            cw-kid
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            Didn't think I'd set it up correctly 😕 More of a hack to get it auto started.

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                              toggledbits
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              You're not far off, really, but the devilish details require some internal knowledge of how Reactor starts and organizes itself, and it's made a bit more complicated by the necessity to locate things "off shore" for docker containers and make sure that stays working as well. There's a bit of a balancing act there. As I'm sure you know well, features are not strictly governed by their ability to be implemented; they are also very much a function of what it takes to support them. I'd rather there be an "official" way that I know people use, because if ten people do it their own way, I'll have ten different ways I need to figure out any time there's a problem.

                              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                #18

                                Can I ask what data one could loose in a power outage? I presume that any setup (rules/expressions) change is written to persistent files on "save"?

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                                  toggledbits
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  Right now, all data is written when modified, but that may not always be the case, and there's a high likelihood it will be user-configurable, even.

                                  One of the things designed in is that MSR is "crappy-storage-ready". @rafale77 can tell you at length about the merits and woes of various storage technologies, and an SD card in a Raspberry Pi is no exception (in fact, probably both a good example and a dire warning). MSR has a storage architecture for its data that allows "pluggable" storage disciplines, so you could, for example, choose a cached-with-delayed-write-back mechanism to reduce wear, and you could choose that for everything, or just states, or states and logs, etc. So in that case, as the system shuts down, it is necessary for the cache to write back any "dirty" (modified but unsaved as yet) data, or the modifications would be lost.

                                  That said, you should be thinking about getting your Pi off an SD card if that's what you're running, if you intend to run it full-time with MSR and depend on it. There are only two types of SD cards: those that have failed, and those that are about to. I have my Pi running on a cheap 2.5" SSD, and it's also a good bit faster, although there is some alchemy to getting that working, and while it's much better than it was, it involves some pretty magical incantations still today and can be a bit angst-inducing.

                                  Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                    Matohl
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                                    #20

                                    With the newer firmwares to the RPi it is fairly straight forward to use a SSD since it has native support now. Not that much alchemy anymore.

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                                      toggledbits
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #21

                                      Getting the firmware onto the Pi is a series of commands rarely used, so that's part of it. The other part is that your choice of interfaces is critical, as some are supported and some are not.

                                      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                        Matohl
                                        wrote on last edited by Matohl
                                        #22

                                        I had no problems with the interfaces, I guess I was lucky. I bought an ordinary SATA to USB3 cable and a standard Samsung 250G disc and plugged it in.
                                        For the commands and if anyone is interested I used the following guide:

                                        Jul 24, 2021  /  Raspberry Pi

                                        How to Boot Raspberry Pi 4 / 400 From a USB SSD or Flash Drive

                                        How to Boot Raspberry Pi 4 / 400 From a USB SSD or Flash Drive

                                        A firmware update lets you use any USB device to boot a Pi 4 / 400.

                                        The only problem with the guide was that boot-option in raspi-config had been moved to another menu location since the guide was written

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                                          toggledbits
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                                          #23

                                          The guide is OK, but it contains two omissions that I think are pretty important for the average user:

                                          1. The first is the interface issue. Only certain interfaces work, and some definitely do not. I first purchased the Sabrent 3.0 to SSD model EC-SSHD. Doesn't work. Found in another guide (linked below) what does work. Thankfully, I had on hand a bigger 3.1 dual-drive powered USB 3.1 interface I use for doing backups and other evil deeds around the house, so I got that Frankensteined on until the working Sabrent 3.1 to SSD model EC-SS31 arrived. Notice the subtle but important difference. Sad but true.
                                          2. In Tom's Guide, in the SD Card Copier, the "New Partition UUIDs" checkbox must be off. They neglect to say this (it's shown off in the screen shot, but it's worth using words). If it's on, the boot will fail because the boot script and fstab will have the old IDs rather than the new. This is easily fixed if you know where and how to do it, but I think most users would find it frustrating if they don't realize what they've done.

                                          Link with supported interfaces below. Don't use these older instructions, just use the list of supported devices it offers:

                                          Jun 29, 2019

                                          Raspberry Pi 4 USB Boot Config Guide for SSD / Flash Drives

                                          Raspberry Pi 4 USB Boot Config Guide for SSD / Flash Drives

                                          The Raspberry Pi 4 is finally here and has a lot of exciting changes. One very major downside is that it doesn’t support true USB booting yet out of the box (like the 3 series did).

                                          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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