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Reactor build 26116: empty group reaction
therealdbT
I have a couple of rules that has group reactions with empty conditions. I notice, in particular on one that's called every 5 secs, that it was not working. I added an empty comment as condition and it started working again. I don't know if saving was enough to "reset" it, but I'm reporting anyway. No errors in the logs, but the MQTT message was not published, so I had an easy path to check the rule. I have others like these, but not easy to test. @toggledbits maybe some stuck status data? (I restarted a couple of times after the last update). Thanks.
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Rulesets with multiple groups in Set Reaction not working post-26116
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Temperature control with TRVs
CatmanV2C
Morning lovely people. Having just had some new rads put in, I dumped the old TRVs for snacky enw Zigbee ones, which work great. Currently my gas boiler has a Horstman Z-wave relay bound to a remote thermostat so only comes on depending on when the thermostat puts out a call for heat Has anyone else got all their rads on TRVs and if so, how are you managing boiler control? I'm thinking about using a Reaction that effectively says 'If any TRV is 'on', turn the boiler on by raising the setpoint on the thermostat' and vice versa. Currently this isn't great as we have two rads (one in the kitchen (which has underfloor heating) and in the hall, (where the remote thermostat is) which don't have TRVs. If I set the thermostat to 25 (say) when a rad calls for heat, those two rooms get roasting no matter what else is going on. So my thoughts are: Add TRVs to these two rads and all will be well. Is this a sensible approach, or is there a better way of doing it? Thanks, as ever! C
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Next Release?
CatmanV2C
Morning. Do we have a roadmap for the next release, at all? I only ask as there's a breaking HA change and I have many packages now out of date. Cheers! C
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Controller Z-Wave JS UI: "Location" attribute not visible in Reactor entities
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Hi, I'm on Docker/NAs (latest-26011-c621bbc7) with Zwave js ui (last version). I have set the 'Location' for each device in the Z-Wave JS UI dashboard, I cannot find this information among the Entity Attributes in the Reactor. I tried and the result is an empty array []. It seems the 'Location' metadata from Z-Wave JS is not being mapped to a standard attribute in Reactor. Location is equale to Rooms for me. When comparing this to the Vera or Ezlo Controller, Reactor automatically creates Room Icons also in the Reactor Dashboard and places the various devices under those room categories. This is a very convenient way to keep the dashboard organized and quickly find lights to turn off with a click (especially when something isn't switched off as expected for me:) ). Is there a way to map the Z-Wave JS UI 'Location' attribute and a dashboard organization, just like it does with Vera/Ezlo? Thanks in advance for all the great tips you've shared
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Do you Matter?
akbooerA
Is anyone using the Matter protocol to connect devices?
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Variables not updating properly
tunnusT
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[Solved] Loading Screen Safari
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
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I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Changes operator does not always detect change
tunnusT
I've had similar problems before, but now this issue has resurfaced. Using build 26011 on Docker. As I copied one old rule as a "template" for a similar new rule, where I have multiple conditions using changes operator (from any to any, and with delay reset of 900), these conditions do not detect change in attributes. Even if I manually reset the rule, reset delay timers do not restart. If I do a new rule from scratch, and do not copy/import anything old, the same conditions work properly. Also, if I modify copied rule's conditions (put a random number to "from" & "to" fields), then save, and after that remove those modifications, rule begins to function normally. Just editing e.g. delay reset value does not do any good in this context. @toggledbits, I can DM logs & related rule files to you, if you just send me instructions.
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Dynamic MQTT topics and parameters
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Condition for trend
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Struggling to setup my first Tasmota device and MQTT
cw-kidC
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Raspberry Pi 4 dual RAM variant introduced to mitigate RAM price increases
toggledbitsT
Article here that may be of interest to some: https://www.cnx-software.com/2026/02/05/raspberry-pi-4-dual-ram-variant-introduced-to-mitigate-ram-price-increases-and-supply-challenges/
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Existing Rule stopped working HTTP command fetching IP address from website
cw-kidC
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Set reaction triggering wrong z-wave device
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Can you run MSR on Home Assistant OS ?
cw-kidC
Looking at using Home Assistant for the first time, either on a Home Assistant Green, their own hardware or buying a cheap second hand mini PC. Sounds like Home Assistant OS is linux based using Docker for HA etc. Would I also be able to install things like MSR as well on their OS ? On the same box? Thanks.
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RPi Alternative: Orange Pi 4 LTS (3GB RAM/16GB eMMC)
toggledbitsT
The last of four boards I'm trying in this batch is the Orange Pi 4 LTS. I purchased a 3GB RAM + 16GB eMMC model from Amazon for $83, making it the most costly of the four boards tried, but still well under my US$100 limit. This board is powered by a Rockchip RK3399-T processor, ARM-compatible with dual Cortex-A72 cores and quad Cortex-A53 cores at 1.6Ghz (1.8Ghz for the 4GB model); compare this to the RPi 3B+ with four Cortex-A53 and the RPi 4B with four Cortex-A72, this board is a hybrid that I would expect to stand in the performance middle between the two RPi models. It's available in 3GB and 4GB DDR4 RAM configurations, with and without 16GB eMMC storage. It has a MicroSDHC slot, gigabit Ethernet, WiFi and BT, two USB 2.0 type A ports, one USB 3.0 type C port, a mini PCIe ribbon-cable connector (requires add-on board for standard connector), two each RPi-compatible camera and LCD ports, HDMI type A, and can be powered (5VDC/3A) via USB-C or DC type C (3.8mm OD/1.1mm ID) jack (center-positive), an odd and perhaps unwelcome departure from the more common type A (5.5mm/2.1mm). A serial port for console/debug can be connected by using a (not included) USB-TTL adapter (3.3V) via pin headers like the Orange Pi Zero 2. The included dual-band antenna connects via U.FL connector to the board, so it's easy substituting for another if you prefer. The manufacturer recommends use of a heat sink (which was included in the box). A metal cooling case is also offered by the manufacturer (a bundle with the metal case and a power supply is sold on Amazon for $90 as of this writing). The Orange Pi 4 LTS is somewhat longer than the RPi 4B, and although the boards are the same width, the mounting hole placement is different both in length and (oddly) width. Between this and the differences in connector locations, neither board is a drop-in replacecment for the other and their respective cases are not interchangeable. The 26-pin header is a subset of the RPi 4B's 40-pin header, so some HATs for the RPi may work (although the mounting hole differences will make securing them "interesting"), and some HATs will surely not. Models with eMMC storage have an OS installed and boot immediately with SSH daemon running and ready for login. Mine was running Debian Bullseye, which would probably be fine for most users. It had clearly been on there a while, because it needed a lot of updates, but it's a current distro, so you're running out of the box with something that will last. A different OS can be installed by downloading an image (once again I chose Ubuntu Jammy) and writing it to a MicroSD card, then booting the system from the SD card. You can either leave the system in that state (running the OS from the SD card), or copy the OS from the SD card to the eMMC. The latter is done by a script; documentation for the process is best described in the downloadable PDF User Manual. This took about 10 minutes and went smoothly, and I was able to boot the system without the SD card after the process completed. I have lingering questions around the value of the eMMC storage. It's definitely faster than using MicroSD or USB-based storage (I got 311MB/s average on a 4GB write, compared to MicroSD performance around 15MB/s), but it would take a long-term test of this product to determine if the on-board eMMC option has the stamina to take the write counts typical of Linux systems, and if its wear-leveling and error correction are sufficient to assure a long, error-free life. Given the high premium apparently being paid for including eMMC on the board, it should be fast and durable, but only time and experience (perhaps painful) would tell the latter. A careful configuration with other Flash-friendly filesystems could be used to reduce wear, but this is an advanced configuration/cookbook topic and beyond the scope of this writing. This question is also not unique to eMMC — MicroSD cards are also known to fail with high write cycles, so the use of a "high endurance" product is recommended for any and all systems using MicroSD as primary storage. The board has Mini PCIe capability, and that may be a storage alternative, but read on... Also bear in mind that the eMMC storage is fixed-size forever; it cannot be expanded, and 16GB can run out pretty quickly these days. Users of MicroSD cards for primary storage can upgrade to bigger cards, but when users of eMMC primary storage outgrow it, the only choice is to add a MicroSD card or other "external" storage to the system, move part of the filesystem to it, and then manage both storage devices and deal with the limitations and risks of both. As I mentioned with the Orange Pi Zero 2, if you are going to use this board as a home automation controller/gateway or similar role, it should (IMO) have a battery-backed real time clock (RTC), and Orange Pi offers an add-on module that connects directly to the 26-pin header on the board. An available expansion board provides a standard Mini PCIe interface and SIM card slot (hmm...), but it connects to the main board via a short ribbon cable, and its mounting holes have no complement on the main board, so it seems like it would be a fragile dangly thing that's a nuisance to deal with. I want to like this board more, and it's very capable, but I'm concerned about value. The limited options for eMMC (16GB or none), the question mark of the eMMC's longevity vs cost, the strange DC power connector choice, the lack of 40-pin GPIO on a full-size (plus) board, the inconsistent hole placement, and the fragile Mini PCIe arrangement, are all "cons" that devalue this board in my view. The price point is clearly driven by the additional capabilities of the board (camera support, ports, six core CPU, extra RAM, on-board eMMC storage), but unfortunately, a great many of these features may not be useful for home automation, and therefore potentially a waste of money. In terms of overall value, I still believe the Libre "Le Potato" seems a better choice to me, and the Orange Pi Zero 2 (very) a close second, but I'll admit I'm focused on a particular application and your needs may be better suited to what this board offers than mine. Passmark Results: OrangePi 4 LTS Cortex-A72 (aarch64) 6 cores @ 1200 MHz | 2.9 GiB RAM Number of Processes: 6 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU Mark: 583 Integer Math 12037 Million Operations/s Floating Point Math 2542 Million Operations/s Prime Numbers 4.5 Million Primes/s Sorting 3141 Thousand Strings/s Encryption 153 MB/s Compression 4049 KB/s CPU Single Threaded 154 Million Operations/s Physics 80.5 Frames/s Extended Instructions (NEON) 244 Million Matrices/s Memory Mark: 498 Database Operations 551 Thousand Operations/s Memory Read Cached 2524 MB/s Memory Read Uncached 2602 MB/s Memory Write 3182 MB/s Available RAM 1947 Megabytes Memory Latency 119 Nanoseconds Memory Threaded 6243 MB/s --------------- eMMC storage write 311MB/s average for 4GB; MicroSD (Samsung 32GB class 10) storage write 15MB/s.
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    Tom_DT Tom_D

    I would never rely on automation to keep equipment you are working on off. Turn it off at the breaker or disconnect.

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    Thank you. I had tried variations of that, but I just needed a bit of a nudge in the right direction.

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    Thank you all. After many false starts, I got a bit frustrated with the process and quit with the question here.
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  • Moving MSR from a QNAP container to RP 5 - some issues
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    I have installed MSR on a RP5 bare metal and then copied the config and store files. Everything seems to be on the RP5 but I am missing all global expression and I don't see the controller time.

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    Thanks for any help.

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  • Post-DST and MSR not reflecting local time
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    MSR is running in a QNAP container. The server time is correct.

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  • Is a global timestamp expression possible ?
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  • MSR connecting to Ezlo Plus
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    Thanks for the reply and help.

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  • MSR connecting to Ezlo Plus
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    Well, never mind. It must have been a formatting problem. After posting I started over again with a fresh cut and paste from the manual and it all worked.

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  • MSR connecting to Ezlo Plus
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-22080-ae7212f

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  • Local variable in delay field?
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  • Local variable in delay field?
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    I have noticed that when I use a local variable in the time for a delay it will change after some time to a fixed number.

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  • Problem with median function
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    Thanks again,
    Tom

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  • Problem with median function
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    Thanks. I'll look forward to the fix.
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  • Problem with median function
    Tom_DT Tom_D

    Related to the above, is there a way to comment out a line in an expression?

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