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HA and AI
CatmanV2C
Having hours of (actually quite fun) interaction with AI (Chat GPT) making up dashboards and sensors for HA. It's OK (well it's better than I am!) but it makes soooo many mistakes. Gets there in the end though, if you've half a clue (which I do half the time) C
Home Assistant
Self test
CatmanV2C
Having been messing around with some stuff I worked a way to self trigger some tests that I wanted to do on the HA <> MSR integration This got me wondering if there's an entity that changes state / is exposed when a configured controller goes off line? I can't see one but thought it might be hidden or something? Cheers C
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How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
cw-kidC
Hello I haven't updated my installation of MSR in a very long time. Its a bare metal Linux install currently on version 24366-3de60836 I see the latest version is now latest-26011-c621bbc7 I assume I cannot just jump from a very old version to the latest version? Or can I? Thanks
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Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
tunnusT
Using build 25328 and having the following users.yaml configuration: users: # This section defines your valid users. admin: ******* groups: # This section defines your user groups. Optionally, it defines application # and API access restrictions (ACLs) for the group. Users may belong to # more than one group. Again, no required or special groups here. admin_group: users: - admin applications: true # special form allows access to ALL applications guests: users: "*" applications: - dashboard api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin_group allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: true session: timeout: 7200 # (seconds) rolling: true # activity extends timeout when true # If log_acls is true, the selected ACL for every API access is logged. log_acls: true # If debug_acls is true, even more information about ACL selection is logged. debug_acls: true My goal is to allow anonymous user to dashboard, but MSR is still asking for a password when trying to access that. Nothing in the logs related to dashboard access. Probably an error in the configuration, but help needed to find that. Tried to put url: "/dashboard" under api_acls, but that was a long shot and didn't work.
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
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I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Oddness in Copy/Move of Reactions
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[Solved] function isRuleEnabled() issue
CrilleC
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[Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
therealdbT
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Possible feature request 2?
CatmanV2C
Just another thought. Adding devices from my Home Assistant / Zigbee2MQTT integration. Works perfectly but they always add as their IEEE address. Some of these devices have up to 10 entities associated, and the moment they are renamed to something sensible, each of those entities 'ceases to exist' in MSR. I like things tidy, and deleting each defunct entity needs 3 clicks. Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option? No biggy as I've pretty much finished my Z-wave migration and I don't expect to be adding more than 2 new Zigbee devices Cheers C
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
CatmanV2C
Just for the record, in case anyone is following, I'm really rather impressed. I have installed one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6P22YJC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 That's connected (physically) to the VM running on my Synology, with a 2m USB extension. The same host also runs Openluup, Mosquito, HA Bridge. Yesterday I installed Zigbee2mqtt. That was a bit of a PITA but mostly because of ports and permissions. Once up and running, and the correct boxes ticked, immediately visible in Home Assistant via the MQTT integration, and thence into Reactor I've only got two devices. I bought the cheapest sensor I could find, which is a door sensor. Dead easy to add to ZIgbee2mqtt and again, immediately visible in HA. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FPQLWRW1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title The dongle is on the top floor of the house, and I wanted the sensor on the back door (just about as far apart as it's possible to get short of going into the garage) When I moved the sensor downstairs it dropped out pretty instantly (which wasn't a huge surprise) so quick bit of research found out that smart plugs will act as routers so... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FDQDPGBB?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title Took me about 30 seconds to connect. Updated the name. Instantly visible in Reactor with the new name pushed over from Zigbee2mqtt. And lo, the door sensor now has a signal of 140 and works as far as I can tell perfectly and instantly (unlike my z-wave one). A few more of those will be purchased and used to replace the Tuya wifi cloud devices and the (continually failing) Z-wave plugs (yeah, they were TKB so....) Commended to the house. Thanks for everyone that got me on the right lines. C
Zigbee
Copying a global reaction
tunnusT
With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
Multi-System Reactor
[HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
therealdbT
If you’re like me and still running HABridge to control your devices locally via Alexa, you might need to tweak your endpoints to call Reactor via HTTP. Here’s the best way to do it, IMO: Insert the Reactor Canonical ID (e.g., zwavejs>71-1) into the MapID field, but make sure it’s URL-encoded like this: zwavejs%3E71-1. Then, configure these endpoints as needed: On: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.on Off: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.off Dim: For lights: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/dimming.set?level=${intensity.decimal_percent} For roller shutters: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/position.set?value=${intensity.decimal_percent} Color: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/rgb_color.set_rgb?red=${color.r}&green=${color.g}&blue=${color.b} Just replace [ReactorIP] with your actual IP address. By using these placeholders, you can standardize your endpoints across all devices, making maintenance easier. This setup works with any device mapped under MSR, regardless of the controller (ZWaveJS, Vera, HASS, OpenSprinkler, virtual, MQTT, DynamicEntities, etc.). If you need different calls, just go to the entities, get the action and parameters, and adjust accordingly. Enjoy super fast access to your devices via Alexa! If you're migrating from Vera, the endpoints are (URL-encoded) in a file called device.db, in JSON format, under your config. You'd write a script to align the new endpoints to the new one, if you prefer to do it automatically. YMMV.
How-To
[Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
therealdbT
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Difficulty defining repeating annual period
R
I have tried numerous ways to define a recurring annual period, for example from December 15 to January 15. No matter which method I try - after and before, between, after and/not after, Reactor reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date. Some constructs also seem to cause Reactor to hang, timeout and restart. For example "before January 15 is evaluated as true, but reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date". Does anyone have a tried and true method to define a recurring annual period? I think the "between" that I used successfully in the past may have broken with one of the updates.
Multi-System Reactor
Need help with sequence
T
Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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Possible feature request?
CatmanV2C
No idea how easy this would be. During my migration away from Z-wave I've been replacing the Z-wave devices with Sonoff which has broken some of my automations. Any chance of a 'Test Reaction' function to call out which ones are broken because an entity no longer exists? Without actually running the reaction? Or does this exist already and I'm just not aware of how to do it? Obviously I can see entities that are no longer available, but not quite what I'm looking for. I guess it's something of an edge case so no huge issue. TIA! C
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Logic Assistance: Exterior Lights on when Illuminance Below Threshold
PablaP
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Time series documentation
tunnusT
Is the current manual (incl. examples) up to date with how retention value is handled in time series configuration? Referring to this post
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  • How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
    therealdbT therealdb

    I’d go with ZwaveJS. I migrated from Vera Zwave radio to a new usb radio and then to home assistant Zwave dongle. I recommend their antenna because the range is incredible. Zero lags and zero packet lost. See my older posts.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • [Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
    therealdbT therealdb

    @toggledbits yes, fixed! thanks.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • [Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
    therealdbT therealdb

    I have this Global Reaction doing some work around lights, based on the season:

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    When I run it, both the lights in Summer and Winter groups are turned on. Very, very strange. I tried removing and adding the groups again, with no joy.

    I see these on the logs:

    [latest-25328]2026-01-11T18:23:11.847Z <Engine:CRIT> TypeError: this[_0x3c7c88(...)][_0x3c7c88(...)] is not a function [-]
    TypeError: this[_0x3c7c88(...)][_0x3c7c88(...)] is not a function
        at GlobalReactionPredicateContext.toString (/opt/reactor/server/lib/PredicateContext.js:87:126)
        at Logger.getLogger (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Logger.js:417:31)
        at new GlobalReactionPredicateContext (/opt/reactor/server/lib/GlobalReactionPredicateContext.js:62:93)
        at Engine._resume_reaction (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Engine.js:2136:55)
        at Engine._process_reaction_queue (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Engine.js:2031:133)
        at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:103:5)
    [latest-25328]2026-01-11T18:23:12.155Z <Engine:CRIT> Engine#1 alarm() context is rule Rule#rule-mf29005p condition condmf29005q Script; timer ID will be alarm:rule:rule-mf29005p:cond:condmf29005q
    [latest-25328]2026-01-11T18:23:13.159Z <Engine:CRIT> Engine#1 alarm() context is rule Rule#rule-mf29005p condition condmf29005q Script; timer ID will be alarm:rule:rule-mf29005p:cond:condmf29005q
    [latest-25328]2026-01-11T18:23:14.376Z <Engine:CRIT> TypeError: this[_0x3c7c88(...)][_0x3c7c88(...)] is not a function [-]
    TypeError: this[_0x3c7c88(...)][_0x3c7c88(...)] is not a function
        at GlobalReactionPredicateContext.toString (/opt/reactor/server/lib/PredicateContext.js:87:126)
        at Logger.getLogger (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Logger.js:417:31)
        at new GlobalReactionPredicateContext (/opt/reactor/server/lib/GlobalReactionPredicateContext.js:62:93)
        at Engine._resume_reaction (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Engine.js:2136:55)
        at Engine._process_reaction_queue (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Engine.js:2031:133)
    

    Maybe some old format that was corrupted in the rule? @toggledbits

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  • [HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
    therealdbT therealdb

    @CatmanV2 said in [HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor:

    Which I don't think needs URL encoding. (Well the URL encoder I checked didn't make any changes)

    Nope, canonical IDs in HASS always require encoding. Ask me why I know this...
    The request is failing otherwise. Trust me 😼

    How-To

  • [Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
    therealdbT therealdb

    Yes, thanks. I usually send json and numbers, so I assumed it would automatically convert to string anyway. Not a big deal, but it made me check my sanity for a couple of hours, until I realized it was not me.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
    therealdbT therealdb

    @CatmanV2 here we go: https://smarthome.community/topic/1593/howto-using-habridge-with-reactor

    Zigbee

  • Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
    therealdbT therealdb

    Yes, same here. Once discovered, you have to stick with it.

    I’m calling reactor endpoints to control hass devices. I posted the urls in a previous post, but I could post it again if needed.

    Zigbee

  • Difficulty defining repeating annual period
    therealdbT therealdb

    Can’t you just use “after Dec 15th” and then add an OR for just “before Jan 15th”?

    I have a global variable named ChristmasTime that’s set daily, so it’s easier to use in multiple reactions. Just a suggestion to simplify things.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Need help with sequence
    therealdbT therealdb

    I will change my logic to just check for your state to be disarmed (so, no changes) for at least 5 secs, or as already suggested, just use OR with all the possible variations you’d get.

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  • [Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
    therealdbT therealdb

    Hey @toggledbits.

    I found a strange bug while sending boolean MQTT payloads in actions. Latest MQTT/Reactor builds.

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    Basically, if I send a true/false, it gets logged but it's not sent:

    [latest-25328]2025-12-31T11:36:23.958Z <MQTTController:INFO> MQTTController#mqtt x_mqtt.publish publishing foo/cmd/foo payload false

    If I change to ${{ str(1 == 1) }}, it goes thru. No apparent errors in logs.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Possible feature request?
    therealdbT therealdb

    I did a "replace script" that's parsing JSON files and replacing references. Every time I change a device (i.e.: I pair a new Zwave device or replace some Wi-Fi thing with ZigBee/Zwave), I run it with old device and new device as params. Back in the days I mostly did it manually.
    Here's the todo list:

    • Stop reactor
    • Copy storage folder (and make a backup)
    • Search for the old device ID and change accordingly
    • Save files, copy to storage folder
    • Start Reactor again

    I agree a much needed feature will be the ability to filter rules by device. At least you'll easily spot the ones not used in code blocks and that will be useful when you don't remember the exact rule that is doing something with a particular device.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
    therealdbT therealdb

    I tried different things and after all I’ve just switched to my own emulated hue bridge, calling reactor HTTP endpoints. I was toying with the idea of sending MQTT commands, but HTTP just works. I did my own bridge because I have 100 switches/scenes/virtual switches mapped to Alexa and ha-bridge has not the ability to define multiple bridges on the same host, so I wrote mine 😬

    But ha-bridge should just work. Never tried HASS native hue emulation. I tried matter bridge and unfortunately Alexa will only see 20 devices.

    Zigbee

  • Logic Assistance: Exterior Lights on when Illuminance Below Threshold
    therealdbT therealdb

    Back in the days I used an illuminance binary sensor to do this (linked to a fibaro relay), but now I’m using civil dawn/dusk and called it a day.

    All that said, I’m still using an illuminance sensor indoor in my office to drive my blinds.

    My logic is like the one you mentioned: once triggered, the low light state stays true for at least two hours. When driving lights/blinds, hysteresis is fundamental.

    I was toying with the idea of using a time series, so I could get let’s say a trend and/or the avg in the latest 15 minutes or so, but it seemed overkill for this simple situation.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Single protocol?
    therealdbT therealdb

    As you may already know, I'm heavily invested in Zwave (70+ devices at the main house, 40 in the beach one), curious towards Shelly Wifi (4-5 devices added when using Vera, that I'll eventually ditch for Zwave) and slowly starting interest in ZigBee.

    I find Zwave life after Vera to be definitely better and the mesh still more stable than Zigbee or WiFi.

    I've started a new journey to learn more about Matter and I've recently started working on a matterbridge plugin to call HTTP endpoints as in the old ha-bridge days. Problem is, while Matter may seems a standard, vendors have their own preferences over implementation, with the result that support is not complete and you'll see ridiculous constraints, such as no more than 20 matter devices supported on your Alexa network.

    We'll see, I avoided tuya because of cloud links and the only cloud-only things I have are my Nest thermostats, bought when I was thinking that it will eventually become less important, because they were the only thermostats that were good to show. Today, I'll not buy them.

    All that said, my older Zwave devices are 10 years old and apart 2-3 I had to replace because of relay that stops working, all is good and mesh is stable as it has never been, thanks to ZWA-2.

    General Discussion

  • Any thoughts on which is better
    therealdbT therealdb

    if you connect to HAOS VM, there's no need to install Zigbee2MQTT.

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    This should be recognized by HAOS as well. Otherwise, map the USB to your Zigbee2MQTT VM/Docker image and you're good to go. Remember to get an USB cable, so the radio is not near the internal USB port - that's better in terms of radio.

    Zigbee

  • Any thoughts on which is better
    therealdbT therealdb

    @CatmanV2 yes. you could use it directly or via Zigbee2MQTT, as I did (because I wanted to fiddle around).

    Home Assistant

    Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2

    Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2

    The easiest way to start with Zigbee or Thread is now even better.

    Zigbee

  • Any thoughts on which is better
    therealdbT therealdb

    I have this Home Assistant ZBT-2 in one house, and SONOFF ZBDongle-E in another and both are working OK with Zigbee2MQTT. Mostly plug&play (just the setup is not very straightforward - but manageable), definitely good after setup.

    Zigbee

  • Reactor Loading Screen Safari
    therealdbT therealdb

    yes, fine on my Mac and on iOS 26 as well.

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Home Assistant Connect ZWA-2 & ZBT-2
    therealdbT therealdb

    Well, taking a backup inside ZWaveJS is a breeze - and yes, it's very easy to backup (or restore) the NVM on the ZWA-2. In fact, I just restored a backup from UZB to ZWA-2 and I was good to go.

    I think you'll never need to move it around the house, because the antenna is huge. No problems in pairing devices either, but that was the case with UZB before and I think it's a ZWave JS prerogative in general. It was just plug&play for me, but I understand that if you have to change your logic to match new device IDs it may make sense to start from scratch - time permitting.

    Hardware

  • Home Assistant Connect ZWA-2 & ZBT-2
    therealdbT therealdb

    @toggledbits are external Zwave controllers supported via USB? that could be another route, as in the old Vera days.

    Hardware
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