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Organizing/ structuring rule sets and rules
R

Hi guys,

Just wondering how you guys organize your rule sets and rules. I wish I had an extra layer to have some more granularity, but my feature request was not popular.

Maybe there are better ways to organize my rule sets.

I use the rule sets now primarily for rooms. So a rule set per room. But maybe grouping by functionality works better. Any examples/ suggestions would be appreciated.

Multi-System Reactor
Moving MSR from a QNAP container to RP 5 - some issues
Tom_DT

I have installed MSR on a RP5 bare metal and then copied the config and store files. Everything seems to be on the RP5 but I am missing all global expression and I don't see the controller time.

Screenshot 2025-04-06 201446.png

My browser is Microsoft Edge Version 135.0.3179.54 (Official build) (64-bit)

I have probably done something stupid or missed a step but I am stuck.

Thanks for any help.

Multi-System Reactor
Widget deletion does not work and landing page (status) is empy
M

Hi,
It seems that the widget deletion does not work. I tried to drag the widget to the left (as explained in here https://smarthome.community/topic/1071/deleting-widgets?_=1744037333660)
but it does not delete it. Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

Also the landing page after login is empty and seems be have some JS issues on the dev console:

Screenshot from 2025-04-07 18-06-19.png

fd7f0424-debb-49d3-86d8-9a3b09ad3868-image.png

Using dockerized version of Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25082-3c348de6 on Chromium 135.0.7049.52 (Official Build) snap (64-bit)

br,
mgvra

Multi-System Reactor
Need help reducing false positive notifications
T

Good day all,
I have an notification set up for my washing machine to let me know when it's complete. I have a templete sensor set up in HAAS to let me know if it's Washing, in Standby, or off, based upon the power consumption (Shelly 1PM on outlets)

- name: "Washing Machine" state: > {% if states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float == 0 %} Off {% elif states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float <= 2.9 %} Standby {% else %} Washing {% endif %} icon: > {% if states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power") == "off" %} mdi:washing-machine-alert {% elif states("sensor.washer_switch_0_power")|float <= 2.9 %} mdi:washing-machine-off {% else %} mdi:washing-machine {% endif %} minutes: 2

The MSR code is relatively simple. I have a built in false positive attribute for if MSR gets rebooted, because I would suddenly get tons of notifications when I upgraded MSR.

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What I'm trying to introduce, is a way to verify that I just didn't bump the knob on the washing machine when transferring loads from the washer to the dryer, which turns on the display and brings the power above the Standby threshold.

The power goes up to 3.7W for about 4 minutes if the selector knob is bumped/turned.

What would the best way to do this be? I have most of my MSR code set up for a couple of years now, and my coding logic is struggling a bit.

I think I need a power threshold to be substained for a minimum time period (say 2 or 3 minutes, above 10W), before the other triggers can act. What would the best way to do that be?

Running: latest-25082-3c348de6
Fedora 41 Server
HAAS:
Core
2025.3.4
Supervisor
2025.03.4
Operating System
15.1
Frontend
20250306.0

Multi-System Reactor
Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT

Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here.

Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
Multi-System Reactor
Deleting widgets
tunnusT

Hopefully a trivial question, but how do you delete widgets in a status page? Using build 22266

Multi-System Reactor
MQTT configuration question
tunnusT

I have the following yaml configuration in local_mqtt_devices file

x_mqtt_device: set_speed: arguments: speed: type: str topic: "command/%friendly_name%" payload: type: json expr: '{ "fan": parameters.speed }'

While this works fine, I'm wondering how this could be changed to "fixed" parameters, as in this case "fan" only accepts "A", "Q" or a numeric value of 1-5?

Multi-System Reactor
System Configuration Check - time is offset
F

Hi!

I get this message when I'm on the status tab:

System Configuration Check
The time on this system and on the Reactor host are significantly different. This may be due to incorrect system configuration on either or both. Please check the configuration of both systems. The host reports 2025-04-01T15:29:29.252Z; browser reports 2025-04-01T15:29:40.528Z; difference 11.276 seconds.

I have MSR installed as a docker on my Home Assistant Blue / Hardkernel ODROID-N2/N2+. MSR version is latest-25082-3c348de6.
HA versions are:
Core 2025.3.4
Supervisor 2025.03.4
Operating System 15.1

I have restarted HA as well as MSR multiple times. This message didn´t show two weeks ago. Don´t know if it have anything to do with the latest MSR version.
Do anyone know what I can try?
Thanks in advance!
Let's Be Careful Out There (Hill Street reference...) 🙂
/Fanan

Multi-System Reactor
Programmatically capture HTTP Request action status code or error
therealdbT

I have a very strange situation, where if InfluxDB restarts, other containers may fail when restarting at the same time (under not easy to understand circumstances), and InfluxDB remains unreachable (and these containers crashes). I need to reboot these containers in an exact order, after rebooting InfluxDB.

While I understand what's going on, I need a way to reliable determine that InfluxDB is not reachable and these containers are not reachable, in order to identify this situation and manually check what's going on - and, maybe, in the future, automatically restart them if needed.

So, I was looking at HTTP Request action, but I need to capture the HTTP response code, instead of the response (becase if ping is OK, InfluxDB will reply with a 204), and, potentially, a way to programmatically detect that it's failing to get the response.

While I could write a custom HTTP controller for this or a custom HTTP virtual device, I was wondering if this is somewhat on you roadmap @toggledbits

Thanks!

Multi-System Reactor
ZwaveJSUI - RGBWW BULB - Warm/Cold White interfered with RGB settings - Bulb doesn't change color if in WarmWhite state.
N

Hi ,
I'm on
-Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25067-62e21a2d
-Docker on Synology NAS
-ZWaveJSUI 9.31.0.6c80945

Problem with ZwaveJSUI:
When I try to change color to a bulb RGBWW, it doesn't change to the RGB color and the bulb remains warm or cold white.
I tryed with Zipato RGBW Bulb V2 RGBWE2, Hank Bulb HKZW-RGB01, Aentec 6 A-ZWA002, so seems that it happens with all RGBWW bulb with reactor/zwavejsui.

I'm using from reator the entity action: "rgb_color.set" and "rgb_color.set_rgb".
After I send the reactor command, It changes in zwavejsui the rgb settings but doesn't put the white channel to "0", so the prevalent channel remains warm/cold White and the bulb doesn't change into the rgb color.

This is the status of the bulb in zwavejsui after "rgb_color.set" (235,33,33,) and the bulb is still warmWhite.

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor={"warmWhite":204,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33}

The "cold white" and "warm white" settings interfer with the rgb color settings.

Reactor can change bulb colors with rgb_color set — (value, ui8, 0x000000 to 0xffffff) or rgb_color set_rgb — (red, green, blue, all ui1, 0 to 255) but if warm or cold white
are not to "0", zwavejsui doesn't change them and I can't find a way to change into rgb or from rgb back to warm white.

So if I use from reactor: rgb_color set_rgb — (235,33,33) in zwavejsui I have

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: targetColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: targetColor 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: currentColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: currentColor

In zwavejsui, the bulb changes rgb set but warm White remains to "204" and the bulb remais on warm White channel bacause is prevalent on rgb set.

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_0=204 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_1=0 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_2=235 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_3=33 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_4=33

Is it possible to targetColor also for "warmWhite" and "coldWhite" and have something similar to this?

x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"warmWhite":0,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33}

Thanks in advance.

Multi-System Reactor
Problem with simultaneous notifications.
T

Good day all,
I have a reaction set up, that I use for both troubleshooting and changing home modes when one of my family members either arrive or are leaving. I use the companion app for HAAS on our iPhones, and HAAS reports if the person associated with the iPhone enters or leaves the geofenced area around my home. I'm sure most MSR and HAAS users are familiar with this.

I use this rule set mainly as a condition for other rules, however, as part of troubleshooting, a notification is sent through HAAS to the companion app when the rule becomes true. The problem is that I'm getting notifications now for both arriving and departing simultaneously.

96b3f7db-ba09-499e-a78c-86903b603857-image.png

36903cdd-a87f-473b-82ef-af9ef96d3c44-image.png It used to work fine as intended. I'm not sure exactly when it changed, but now I'm getting two notifications when either of these conditions change.

Any idea what could be happening?

Edit:
Running: latest-25082-3c348de6, bare-metal Linux
ZWaveJSControllerr [0.1.25082]

Multi-System Reactor
Problem after upgrading to 25067
R

MSR had been running fine, but I decided to follow the message to upgrade to 25067. Since the upgrade, I have received the message "Controller "<name>" (HubitatController hubitat2) could not be loaded at startup. Its ID is not unique." MSR throws the message on every restart. Has anyone else encountered this problem?
I am running MSR on a Raspberry Pi4 connecting to two Hubitat units over an OpenVPN tunnel. One C8 and a C8 Pro. Both are up-to-date. It appears that despite the error message that MSR may be operating properly.

Multi-System Reactor
Global expressions not always evaluated
tunnusT

Similarly as for local expressions, global expressions evaluate and update fine when getEntity(...) structure is used. However, at least when certain functions are in use, expressions do not update.

Consider the following test case:

Screenshot 2025-03-13 at 16.29.42.png

Even though auto-evaluation is active, value does not change (it changes only if that expression is manually run). MSR restarts do not help.

Screenshot 2025-03-13 at 16.31.43.png

Note: Tested using build 25067 on Docker. I have also a PR open (but couldn't now get details or PR number as my Mantis account was somehow expired?).

Multi-System Reactor
[Solved] Local expression evaluation
V

Trying to understand what cause a local expresssion to be evaluated. I have read the manual but I am still not clear about it. Using the test rule below, I can see in the log that the rule is being automatically evaluated every time the temperature entity is changing. That is great...

What I am trying to understand is why the expression is not evaluated based on time as well since the "case" statement has time dependencies.

Any help would be appreciated

I have the following test rule:

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Here is the expressioncode:

vFrom1 = "09:25:00", vFrom2 = "09:30:00", vFrom3 = "09:41:00", vTo = "10:55:00", # Get current time (format HH:MM:SS) vToDay = strftime("%H:%M:%S"), #Get current house temperature CurrentHouseTemp = getEntity( "hass>Thermostat2 " ).attributes.temperature_sensor.value, case when CurrentHouseTemp <= 19 and vToDay >= vFrom1 && vToDay <= vTo: "true1" # From1 when CurrentHouseTemp <= 20 and vToDay >= vFrom2 && vToDay <= vTo: "true2" # From2 when CurrentHouseTemp < 26  and vToDay >= vFrom3 && vToDay <= vTo: "true3" # From3 else "false" end
Multi-System Reactor
[Solved] Runtime error when exiting global reaction that contains a group
S

I am getting a Runtime error on different browsers when I click exit when editing an existing or creating a new global reaction containing a group. If the global reaction does not have a group I don't get an error. I see a similar post on the forum about a Runtime Error when creating reactions but started a new thread as that appears to be solved.

The Runtime Error is different in the two browsers
Safari v18.3

@http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:44 You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community.

Google Chrome 133.0.6943.142

TypeError: self.editor.isModified is not a function at HTMLButtonElement.<anonymous> (http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:34) You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community.

Steps to reproduce:
Click the pencil to edit a global reaction with a group.
Click the Exit button.
Runtime error appears.
or
Click Create Reaction
Click Add Action
Select Group
Add Condition such as Entity Attribute.
Add an Action.
Click Save
Click Exit
Runtime error appears.

I don’t know how long the error has been there as I haven’t edited the global reaction in a long time.

Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25060-f32eaa46
Docker
Mac OS: 15.3.1
Thanks

Multi-System Reactor
Cannot delete Global Expressions
SnowmanS

I am trying to delete a global expression (gLightDelay) but for some strange reason, it comes back despite clicking the Delete this expression and Save Changes buttons.

I have not created a global expression for some times and just noticed this while doing some clean-up.

I have upgraded Reactor to 25067 from 25060 and the behaviour is still there. I have restarted Reactor (as well as restarting its container) and cleared the browser's cache several times without success.

Here's what the log shows.

[latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:22.690Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:26.254Z <GlobalExpression:NOTICE> Deleting global expression gLightDelay [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:27.887Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" }

Reactor latest-25067-62e21a2d
Docker on Synology NAS

Multi-System Reactor
Local notification methods?
CatmanV2C

Morning, experts. Hard on learning about the internet check script in MSR tools, I was wondering what suggestions anyone has about a local (i.e. non-internet dependent) notification method.

This was prompted by yesterday's fun and games with my ISP.

I've got the script Cronned and working properly but short of flashing a light on and off, I'm struggling to think of a way of alerting me (ideally to my phone)

I guess I could set up a Discord server at home, but that feels like overkill for a rare occasion. Any other suggestions?

TIA

C

Multi-System Reactor
Custom capabilities in MQTT templates
M

Hi,
I'm trying to integrate the sonos-mqtt (https://sonos2mqtt.svrooij.io/) with the MSR and it's coming along nicely so far.
But cannot wrap my head around how to define custom capabilities in MQTT templates. I need this for the TTS announcements and similarly for the notification sounds where I would pass the sound file as parameter.

So this is what I have in the local_mqtt_devices.yaml

capabilities: x_sonos_announcement: attributes: actions: speak: arguments: text: type: string volume: type: int delay: type: int

And this is the template:

templates: sonos-announcement: capabilities: - x_sonos_announcement actions: x_sonos_announcement: speak: topic: "sonos/cmd/speak" payload: expr: > { "text": parameters.text, "volume": parameters.volume, "delayMs": parameters.delay, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" } type: json

So the speak action should send something like this to topic sonos/cmd/speak

{ "text": "message goes here", "volume": 50, "delayMs": 100, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" }

At startup the MSR seems to be quite unhappy with my configuration:

reactor | [latest-25016]2025-02-09T08:19:59.029Z <MQTTController:WARN> MQTTController#mqtt entity Entity#mqtt>sonos-announcement unable to configure capabilities [Array][ "x_sonos_announcement" ] reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} has unrecognized capability {1:q} in actions reactor | Trace: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | at _T (/opt/reactor/server/lib/i18n.js:611:28) reactor | at AlertManager.addAlert (/opt/reactor/server/lib/AlertManager.js:125:25) reactor | at MQTTController.sendWarning (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Controller.js:627:30) reactor | at MQTTController.start (/var/reactor/ext/MQTTController/MQTTController.js:268:26) reactor | at async Promise.allSettled (index 0) Configuration for "sonos-announcement" has unrecognized capability "x_sonos_announcement" in actions Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM Configuration for "sonos-announcement" is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: x_sonos_announcement Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM

This is probably a pretty stupid question and the approach may not even work at all, but maybe someone or @toggledbits for sure, could point me to the right direction.
Basically the idea is to be able to send TTS messages from reactions using entity actions. I've previously used HTTP requests to Sonos HTTP API (https://hub.docker.com/r/chrisns/docker-node-sonos-http-api/) for the same functionality, but since moving to sonos-mqtt, I need a way to send the TTS notifications using MQTTController. Along with the actual message, volume and delay must also be parameterizable.

br,
mgvra

MSR latest-25016-d47fea38 / MQTTController [0.2.24293]

Multi-System Reactor
[SOLVED]Hass websocket falsely reporting ready on boot??
V

Hi, @toggledbits

I just noticed that following a reboot of my raspberry pi, some of the rules, that I was expecting to recover, are not catching up following a reboot. I have made a simple test rule (rule-m6rz6ol1) with only "after Date/time" as trigger and "turn on a lamp" as a set reaction. All my infrastructure is on the same board so Reactor, Hass, Zwavejs, ... are all rebooting.

Here is the sequence of the test case (All time converted to Zulu to match logs):

Rule "after Date/Time" set to 14:05:00z Shutdown on Raspberry Pi at 14:04:00z Power back up at 14:08:00z Rule overview shows true as of 14:08:14z waiting for 00:00:00 in GUI

From the log I can see that MSR is picking up the rule and knows that the state of the rule has changed from false to true and tries to send the update to HASS but failed with websocket error.

Here is what I see from the log:

14:04:04z shutdown complete 14:08:08z Power up 14:08:13.111z websocket connection 14:08:15:323z Reaction to the light failed, Websocket not opened After there is a series of websocket connection attempt until 14:08:51z where it seemed to be really ready.

Back in 2021 we had a discussion (https://smarthome.community/topic/700/solved-start-up?_=1738766986566) and you proposed to add a startup_delay:xxxx and startup_wait:xxxx parameter in the engine section of "reactor.yaml". When I try the startup_delay (this used to be a hard delay), the engine failed to start (I think). I then try the startup_wait:xxxx without any success. Since it wait for the connection status to be up to cancel the delay, it does not do anyting since Hass is reporting the socket up without really being up ( I think...).

Questions:

Did I figured it all wrong? should the startup_delay:xxxxx have worked? Any ideas?

Here is the log:

OK now I am stuck. I did add the log but when I submit the editor complained saying that I am limited to 32767 characters. The log from the shutdown to the time the websocket is stable is about 300000 character long. What are my options?

Multi-System Reactor
[SOLVED]Logs permissions for Docker Install
V

Not a big issue simply a request if easily doable.

The MSR logs files inside the container are owned by root witch is fine however, the permissions are very restrictive. I do not know if there is something wrong with my installation but the logs permission are set to 222 (write only). Even if the docker volume is set for Read/Write the log files are retaining these values.

I go around the problem by doing a chmod 777 on all reactor logs but every time there is an MSR log rotation the permissions are set back to 222. So unless the permission are implemented in the container there is no permanent solution to this (that I know of).

I do not know much about Docker container so I do not know what is involved here.

Can the logfiles permission be simply chaged in the container to at least allow "other" read permission?

Could the MSR log rotation routine implement a chmod to set the permission?

Just a small anoyance

Thanks

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    wrote on last edited by LibraSun
    #1

    Knowing that MSR Preview may not yet fully implement LuaXP (CORRECTION: MSR uses a different language lexpjs), I could not resist whipping up some text expressions for fun. Whereupon two things popped out at me:

    1. The new scaling (0.00 - 1.00) of Dimming Level will require a rewrite of certain Expressions that I use to balance my light levels. For example, it was my custom to monitor one lamp's brightness (0 - 100) with Reactor Luup, then set another lamp to 93% of that level, using this Expression:
    floor(getstate( 9, "urn:upnp-org:serviceId:Dimming1", "LoadLevelTarget" ) * 0.93)
    

    Now, in MSR, it will become necessary to modify that to read:

    floor ((getEntity( "vera>device_9" ).attributes.dimming.level * 0.93)*100)/100
    

    which effectively scales the value up x 100 (so that floor() can act upon it correctly), then downscale it / 100. Just an FYI to ponder.

    1. I'm noticing that every edit, however minor, of an Expression in MSR requires an immediate SAVE click before the 'Run' button will become active. That is to say, I cannot repeatedly evaluate the Expression during editing, without clicking SAVE first.

    Only mentioning this latter behavior since it departs so dramatically from Reactor Luup's paradigm.

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      @librasun There's going to be a lot to digest on all sides of the expression discussion, as expressions are one of the most-changed parts of MSR from Reactor for Vera/openLuup. A few days ago, I made another pass at the documentation for Expressions, to at least get most of the syntax and function changes out, if not the operational specifics.

      Not really related to expressions, strictly speaking, The 0-1 issue is going to keep coming up, I realize. The original thinking was to allow more resolution, as the 0-100 mapping is actually lower res than the 0-255 or 0-65535 that many devices support at their closer-to-physical layers. To make that easier, I can take the HomeAssistant approach and have a mirrored set of values in another scale, like level_percent, and name the actions accordingly, like dimming.set_percent. So I'll throw that on the list, and it should make a little less work. That said, ...

      @librasun said in Expressions and LuaXP Functions:

      then set another lamp to 93% of that level, using this Expression

      I'm not really understanding the problem here, and I'll frame my confusion with an example, and perhaps you can tell me where you see a problem I've missed... you've got a lamp that you set to 40% on Vera, or 0.40 as reported in MSR, and you want a second lamp set at 93% of that, so the second lamp would be set to 0.372. It's not a problem to store that value in MSR, and nor is it a problem to set that value using dimming.set, as MSR will convert it back to units of the system when it sends the action to it. So on Vera with a 0-100 scale, it would send 37, and if the host system accepted 0-255, it would send 94. You don't really need to round the numbers. Does it have to do with comparisons in conditions? If you're willing to floor() to two digits so you can do a comparison like <= 0.93, then the equivalent without the rounding step is < 0.94.

      There's no LuaXP in MSR. MSR uses lexpjs, which I also wrote, so of course there will be similarities for that reason alone, but also because basic infix expression syntax doesn't wander far from common ground. But there are changes, and lexpjs is a much more robust module, built on a proper grammar into a proper parser. This has enabled me to add a lot of flexibility into the language that didn't exist in LuaXP, and would have been a real pain to not have available in MSR. And I can also more easily evolve it. For the most basic usage, there's not much difference, but the expressions are used extensively in the device mappings, and so many of the "tweaks" applied are specifically to keep those expressions short and readable.

      The biggest changes with regard to expressions are context and timing.

      Rule-based expressions, the expressions that live within a rule, operate much like they did in ReactorSensors: they are evaluated prior to the evaluation of conditions; and they are evaluated in the order in which they are listed. A big difference is that rule-based expressions are not available outside their parent rule. There is no way to "export" them.

      Global expressions are entirely new. Global expressions are accessible to all rules, both in rule-based expressions (referred to by name), and in Set Variable actions. They are primarily meant to be common-use data containers. They are only evaluated when they are referred to in an expression that is itself being evaluated; they do not evaluate continuously or on event. So for example, if you created a global expression getEntity( "vera>device_9" ).attributes.dimming.level, and that global expression was not used by any rule-based expression, it would not update when the dimming level changes and you would see no change in its value in the UI (and that is all expected). It will just sit there. If, however, you refer to it in a rule-based expression, that then becomes a driver, the rule's dependency on the device recognized, and both the expression and the rule using it would be evaluated when the dependent device changes.

      The disabling of the "Run" button on expressions when unsaved is a temporary simplification. Right now, there's no way to run an arbitrary expression. Any expression that is run is presumed to require its full state to run. That is, an expression inside a rule could refer to any other expression value in the rule, so all of the expression values in the rule are part of the execution context of every expression. Rules know how to build the context and run their stored expressions, but they don't know how to run a one-off expression within their context: there's no API to say "just run this arbitrary expression with your usual context as if it was part of the rule." All of that needs to be built. It will get done, but for the moment, you'll have to tolerate the inconvenience of having to save the rule/expressions first. Expressions didn't work completely and couldn't be used at all in actions until yesterday's build. One step at a time. 🙂


      Note: In the process of writing this I did notice that the and, or and not operators from Lua/LuaXP are not present in lexpjs currently as these keywords. They are directly equivalent to &&, || and ! respectively that are native to lexpjs, so I'll go ahead and add the syntactic sugar to the grammar so that the Lua keywords work, to reduce the load on Reactor users coming over from Vera.

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        #3

        Excellent explanations, thank you! I will adapt my own uses to the new scaled dimming levels instead of trying to deal with them as integers like the old days. For the moment I cannot think of a pressing case in which integers would be required, but I dare say someone else will come up with one soon, so your idea of implementing set_percent might make sense in the long run.

        I look forward to your full documentation of the "new" lexpjs language. Just let me know when you are ready for me to hammer very hard on that and assist with updating any documentation.

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          #4

          Every build includes the day's doc updates, if any. Get to that from the "Manual" link in the left nav.

          Work in progress on the docs is often visible at https://reactor.toggledbits.com/docs/

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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            #5

            Roger that. Meanwhile, out here in the weeds responding to your earlier interest why I'd want to keep something like dimming values granular/integer... it's because I sometimes base triggers off of a device's exact brightness level (e.g. when dim = 50). So I'll have to modify my thinking for when dim = 0.50. Trivial.

            Having digested the docs for LEXPJS (https://github.com/toggledbits/lexpjs/blob/master/lexp.js), I can simply rely on the 2-argument ROUND instead of the 1-argument FLOOR and be done with it.

            I'll keep an eye on those Docs as you suggest. Thanks again.

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              #6

              If you're looking at lexpjs on Github, better to look at the develop branch these days... master has not been updated in quite a while.

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                #7

                Started to play around with expressions in the MSR. Comparing two temperatur sensor and passing the lowest into a virtual sensor in Vera. It seems that the value in not passed to the virtual sensor or most probably I do something wrong. I have two similar rules, if Temp1<=Temp2 (shown below) and one if the Temp2<Temp1. I am not sure about the "Set Reaction"

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                  The MSR variable/expression replacement is ${{ expression or variable name }}. Try that. I fixed at least one substitution bug today, but I'm not sure if it would intersect your use in the reaction. You've got a device type in your service field for the set variable action, and I'm not sure what your conditions are meant to do. I think what you mean to do is something more like this:

                  Expressions:

                  • Temp1: getEntity( "vera>device_86" ).attributes.value_sensor.value
                  • Temp2: getEntity( "vera>device_88" ).attributes.value_sensor.value
                  • MinTemp: min( Temp1, Temp2 )

                  Condition:

                  • Expression Value: MinTemp changes

                  Set Reaction:

                  • Set Variable: service=urn:upnp-org:serviceId:TemperatureSensor1, variable=CurrentTemperature, value = ${{MinTemp}}

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                    #9

                    Gotta ask: What precisely causes the field(s) background under 'Set Reaction' to turn yellow? For example, if I wrote {levelLamp} it's not yellow, but if I type ${levelLamp} or ${{levelLamp}} (as I knew the proper syntax to be) it turns yellow.

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                      #10

                      Yellow means it will accept the value but it may be out of range for the field. I suspect that's a side-effect of the bug I fixed. You'll need to wait for today's build before playing more (at least, if you want it to work 🙂 )

                      Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                        #11

                        @toggledbits Thanks, I missed that the variable expression has been changed.

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                          #12

                          Ah-ha, I see that you went with zero-based array indexing in LEXPJS, versus the ol' one-based indexing enjoyed back in LuaXP. Gonna make my transition to MSR a bit more challenging as I transcribe my umpteen array-centric Reactor routines, but c'est la vie. 🙂

                          Glad I noticed this before getting to use the Backup/Restore approach, since I doubt it does (or can or even should) attempt an auto-translation of such things. In my case, being one-off on my table lookups could have meant setting the wrong House Mode, etc. Fun! LOL

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                            #13

                            Also, I'm noticing that if you define in Expressions:

                            obj = {ani:bird, typ:bard}
                            

                            that, in order to access the value of "bard", instead of obj.typ (which returns {name:bard}), one must instead construct:

                            type = obj.typ.name // returns "bard"
                            

                            Maybe that's normal? I had to really think about it as a non-programmer.

                            NOTE: In the process I also learned that the 'keys' of an object cannot be numbers; they must begin with a letter.

                            More importantly, I am already missing the array function CHOOSE -- can it be imported into LEXPJS?

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                              LibraSun
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                              #14

                              I REALLY LOVE how you can now do the following array index references with minimal effort (and that this probably obviates the need for the CHOOSE function I mentioned above):

                              Expressions

                              idx = 2
                              
                              listN = ["red","green","blue"]
                              
                              findIt = listN[idx]  // returns "blue"
                              
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                                LibraSun
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                                #15

                                Even with the release of 21072, it seems we are still waiting for "substitutions" to become allowable within Expressions. Is this correct?

                                For example, rather than this disallowed comparison in Triggers:

                                [Expression Value]  [acMode]  [ <> ]  [ ${{houseMode}} ]
                                

                                where acMode and houseMode are both defined expressions within that Rule...

                                I'm using this workaround:

                                [Expression Value] [ modesMatch ] [ is FALSE ]
                                

                                for which I created the Boolean expression

                                modesMatch := ( acMode == houseMode )
                                

                                Gets me where I need to be, just slightly less elegant. (For now.)

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                                  #16

                                  Correct. Not yet in conditions.

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                                    LibraSun
                                    wrote on last edited by LibraSun
                                    #17

                                    Good to know. Meanwhile, I'm profiting from variable substitutions working awesomely down in Reactions!

                                    Although I bumped into a case you may not have fully considered? Namely, in a Rule designed to alter House Mode to match the current mode of my ecobee Thermostat, I cannot use substitution with your "House Mode" plug-in, since it only permits any of four preset options from a pick list.

                                    That is to say:

                                    [Entity Action]  [ House Mode ]  [ x_vera_housemode.set ]  [ <mode> ]
                                    

                                    does not let me select the mode dynamically, based on a variable; it's hard-wired.

                                    Instead, I'm forced (as I always was in RFL) to execute Lua code against Vera herself:

                                    [Entity Action]  [ Vera Plus ]  [ x_vera_sys.runlua ]  [ luup.call_action( "urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1", "SetHouseMode", { Mode = ${{acModeNum}} }, 0 ) ]
                                    

                                    I thought this would work, but it does not appear to be substituting for acModeNum in place, the way RFL used to do for, say. Reactor.Variables.acModeNum.

                                    P.S. Alternatively, if you could surface Vera's and/or Reactor's "House Mode" action in the following manner, I could use it in the reaction:

                                    [ Entity Action ] [ Vera | Reactor ] [ ...setHouseMode ] [ ${{acModeNum}} ]

                                    Standing by for guidance, and hope you find this food for thought in later MSR revisions.

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                                      #18

                                      That's a datalist control. You don't have to pick what's on the list. You can enter whatever you want.

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                                        LibraSun
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        Thanks, my bad! Didn't even think to try that. Would have saved me like 45 minutes of poking around, lol. 🙂

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                                          LibraSun
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                                          #20

                                          Meanwhile, I seem to have dug another small hole in the VARIABLE SUBSTITUTION workflow, and it's been vexing me for over an hour. This action
                                          var_sub_fail.png keeps sending a literal

                                          ${{houseModeTxt}}
                                          

                                          to its target, instead of the substituted value:

                                          houseModeTxt := away (string)
                                          

                                          Did not want to post this as a PR, since I think it's unique to me. Took me a while to even notice that Vera was throwing a bright blue error on her Dashboard, with the ecobee plugin complaining of being sent an out-of-range parameter (expects one of "home", "away", "sleep" or "smart1").

                                          Thoughts? Am I having a fatal stroke here?

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