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Rule condition shows TRUE in UI but Rule never transitions to SET — survives full restart
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Build: latest-26221-b25bb3e3, Docker on Synology. Hi, I have a Rule whose Trigger/Constraints reference other Rules via Rule State ... is TRUE. At some point it stops firing. Expanding the rule's condition tree in the UI shows every Trigger and Constraint condition green/TRUE — confirmed live by walking into the room and watching Motion go true in real time. Rule History shows no new SET, just old reset entries. Tried, on the same rule, same evening: recreating the trigger conditions with fresh IDs, recreating the constraint conditions with fresh IDs (flat and wrapped in a new Group — wrapping in a Group produced one SET, but it didn't reproduce on repeat attempts with the same structure), and finally a full container restart with a verified-correct saved rule. Still no SET, even with a fresh live motion event right after the restart. Separately, I found that this rule (and its 10 per-room clones) share identical internal condition/group IDs with each other — leftover from a batch clone done months ago, never regenerated. Not sure if that's related, since fixing the IDs didn't reliably fix the symptom either. Has anyone seen a Rule State condition show TRUE in the UI without the Rule ever producing a SET, surviving a clean restart? Thanks in advance
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DynamicGroupController and attributes
therealdbT
Hey @toggledbits I'm back to trying to optimize a couple of things based on dynamic group. First of all, I think I found a typo in the doc: primary_attribute: "binary_sensor.state" primary_attribute_value: | d = false; each id in members: d = getEntity(id)?.attributes?.power_switch?.state or d, d I think the correct code snippet is d = false, All that said, my use case for dynamic groups is to group 3 different climate devices, so I could easily command them at the same time. Commands are good, but sometimes I want to check if any of the devices are on, and that's easily done with a similar snippet as the one you have in the docs. But this is limited to the primary attribute, while I want to have any of the attributes in the group to be driven by a similar logic (while all are null in the group). ie, access hvac_control.mode and see if any of the unit is set to cool, or heat. Is that possible, without re-defining an expression in each of my rules? Thanks!
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Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Ooops - Deleted Reactor Ex Machina II
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I accidentally deleted Reactor Ex Machina II (REM II) from my Reactor rules. I tried to recover it by deleting the .json and .dval in the Rules subdirectory and then recreating it from Togglebits original posting, but that did not work. Does anyone know how to recover REM ll ?
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[Solved] DynamicGroupController updating members issue
CrilleC
Edit: Solved in latest-26221. Bare-metal latest-26193 I have this group: "OKforLarm": name: OK för Larm select: - include_controller: vera - include_capability: door_sensor filter_expression: entity.attributes.door_sensor.state It contains the entities I expect but behaves a bit odd. When I open vera>device_10097 the entity attribute door_sensor.state changes to true but it won't show up as member in the group, when I also open vera>device_10095 they both shows as members and when I close vera>device_10095 it disappear from the group but when I close vera>device_10097 it lingers in the group until I restart Reactor.
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[SOLVED] Conflicting Set Reaction Groups Appear to Fire Simultaneously in Single Rule Evaluation
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[SOLVED] Question regarding "in" vs "contains" vs contents of the string
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Logon screen timeout
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Noticing since 170 that the lock screen doesn't switch to the logon prompt but, rather, stays on the active UI until such time as you go to click something within it. Then it jumps to the login screen. Brave browser Brave 1.92.139 (Official Build) (arm64) Chromium: 150.0.7871.114
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[MSR] Copy&past of actions and/or drag&drop between set/reset
therealdbT
Hey @toggledbits One thing that bothers me while doing work on new systems/new features, is that I cannot copy&paste actions, and I cannot drag&drop between set and resets. #1 is for when I want to copy an action between different rules opened in two separate browser windows, while #2 is when I just need to flip a bunch of actions in the reset, or move some logic back and forth. Both will be appreciated, but I understand the technical challenges. Thanks!
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I'm currently on version 26011. I understand that the aarch64 image is no longer supported. So, I therefore need to update to the ARM64 image. Can anyone possibly suggest how I update my docker compose.yaml file (see below). Ideally I'd like to keep my existing reactions etc. rather than start from scratch. # Multi-System Reactor template docker-compose.yml (version 22160) # # Change the lines indicated by "DO"... # services: reactor: container_name: reactor environment: # DO change the TZ: line to set your local time zone. # See valid TZ list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tz_database_time_zones TZ: GB # # DO NOT change this path. Your directory location is in "source" below. REACTOR_DATA_PREFIX: /var/reactor # DO change the image below to the one you are using (e.g. armv7l or aarch64 for RPi 4) image: toggledbits/reactor:latest-aarch64 restart: "always" expose: - 8111 ports: - 8111:8111 volumes: # DO change the /home/username/reactor below to the directory you created for # your local data; DO NOT change the /var/reactor part - /home/pi/docker/reactor:/var/reactor - /etc/localtime:/etc/localtime:ro tmpfs: /tmp
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Alexa for MSR, any interest?
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[RESOLVED] Telegram notification broke with latest update
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[RESOLVED] Phantom device, “INFO” appears
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Rule update rates, limits, logic loops, warnings and throttling

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    LibraSun
    wrote on last edited by LibraSun
    #1

    As is my custom, I often create ungainly Rules designed to push the limits of MSR until some problem crops up (UI glitch, runtime error, faulty logic, etc.). I'm starting this topic - and sharing a cautionary example below - to invite MSR power users to embrace best practices in their routines.

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      wrote on last edited by LibraSun
      #2

      Onward to my wayward example...

      Most recently, I noticed this line in Reactor.log

      Rule:WARN (Circulate House Air (auto)) update rate 61/min exceeds limit (60/min)! Logic loop? Throttling...
      

      suggesting that I had an issue in my "Circulate House Air" rule that caused "flapping" -- uncontrolled or unexpectedly high rates of triggering -- which invoked MSR's automatic throttling (suppression) of that rule.

      Because it's a fairly simple rule -- watch two Expressions (one a boolean, the other a calculated value from sensors), and check whether particular virtual switch is ON -- I was easily able to scrutinize its logic and layout.

      Here were the essentials:

      TRIGGERS

      [ Expression Value ] [ tempVar ] [ > ] [ 2 ] // IF temperature variation exceeds a certain threshold (a rare occurrence!); Pulse for 10 sec., repeat every 1200 secs.
      

      CONSTRAINTS

      [ Expression Value ] [ modesMatch ] [ is TRUE ] // only when A/C and Vera show same House Mode setting for 10+ secs.
      [ Entity Attribute ] [ VSwitch.status ] [ is TRUE ] // switch must also be ON
      

      REACTION

      [ Entity Action ] [ ACblower.power ] [ == ] [ 1 ] // turn on blower (auto-resets itself after 30 seconds)
      

      EXPRESSIONS

      tempVar := <mean deviation formula based on 4 sensors>
      modesMatch := <TRUE when A/C house mode matches Vera's>
      

      At first glance, all seemed well. Except MSR had expressly warned me (via the Log, at least) that something was amiss.

      Speculating that it was simply the arrangement of items within TRIGGERS and CONSTRAINTS, I moved the "VSwitch" condition from Constraints up into Triggers, and the "tempVar" expression down into Constraints, then re-enabled the Rule.

      Yet the throttling problem remains, according to the Log. While currently tempVar == 3, the VSwitch is OFF and modesMatch is FALSE -- that is, both Triggers and Constraints read 'false' -- so I would have thought it impossible for the Rule to be so active behind the scenes.

      Any insights on this problem?

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        LibraSun
        wrote on last edited by LibraSun
        #3

        FEATURE REQUEST

        Display each active Rule's current rate and/or display a warning in UI whenever Throttling occurs. (Probably already on the MSR roadmap)

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          toggledbits
          wrote on last edited by toggledbits
          #4

          If your log level is 5 or above for the rule in question, you will see messages logged like this:

          2021-03-15T15:21:07.639Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:444> {ruleid} notification {type} {data} from {sender}
          

          So this will tell you what is triggering the request for re-evaluation.

          If you didn't know, you can set the logging level (in config/logging.yaml) for a particular rule, so it's useful to set the generic level (level entry under Rule:) to 4 to keep other rules quiet, and then create a new entry with key Rule#ruleid: and subkey level set to 5 or whatever. This will focus the detailed debug output on the single rule and hold the noise down from the stuff you're not as interested in.

          logging:
            ... other stuff ...
            Rule:
              level: 4
            Rule#rule-f984r5nfe
              level: 5
          

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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            LibraSun
            wrote on last edited by LibraSun
            #5

            So far, with the default logging level of 4 set in LOGGING.YAML, I merely see these not-so-illustrative entries immediately before the <WARN> line:

            2021-03-15T15:34:34.150Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:800> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z (Circulate House Air (auto)) evaluate() acquiring mutex
            
            2021-03-15T15:34:34.150Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:804> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z._evaluate() mutex acquired, evaluating
            
            2021-03-15T15:34:34.151Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:808> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z update rate is 61/min limit 60/min
            

            I'll proceed to try higher level inspection (by altering the level: for this Rule only) later today, and see what specifically turns up. For now, I have the Rule disabled.

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              #6

              Do not (ever) change the default logging level. Only change the logging level for the specific Rule and Rule#rule-id classes.

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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