@toggledbits Since I have upgraded ZWaveJSController to 24293 from 24257 I am seeing entries related to registering action set_volume, but action is not defined by the capability 143 every time I restart Reactor.
The Siren seems to be doing what it is supposed to do. The volume levels are fine. Should I worry about it?
Reactor version 24302
ZWaveJSController version 24293
Z-Wave JS UI version 9.27.4
zwave-js version 14.3.4
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This has been working flawlessly each year incl this year until... Tonight... nada.
Is this due to the holiday being late this year ie because today is the 22nd, not after the 22nd?
I've managed to use MSR UI on iOS devices to some degree*, so that although UI elements (e.g. rule sets) are not visible in portrait mode, you've seen them in landscape. Now with recents builds (24302) this does not work anymore, elements (rule sets, entities) are not anymore visible in landscape mode.
Does anyone have similar experiences? Using iOS 18 and Safari/Chrome browser.
( *Drag & drop of rule conditions have never worked on a mobile)
Hi @toggledbits,
I have lots of logs with this:
<Engine:ERR> Assignment to alarm ignored -- expression-driven global cannot be set by assignmentAny hints to where look at to avoid this? Thanks.
Hi @toggledbits
I'd like to update my controllers with these new features, but I'm struggling to find any guidance in the docs - and in general to understand the context.
Could you please elaborate more? Thanks.
I have the following ACL defined:
groups: admin: users: - admin applications: true api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: trueAnd I have authenticated to MSR as "admin" user. However, I'm getting "access denied" when trying to access http://*******:8111/api/v1/log
So what I'm missing, is my ACL incorrectly defined?
Using build 24302 on Docker.
Thanks to @toggledbits for adding a custom CSS. I've started doing a darker Reactor style.
Here's the file: https://gist.github.com/dbochicchio/825098ac13b7f8cac22012eae37ff7ce
A couple of things are still too bright and I'll eventually catch-up. Just place it under your /config directory, naming the file as customstyles.css. Hard refresh your browser.
Hi!
In Home Assistant I sometimes uses the TTS, either to my Sonos or Google speakers. With reactor in Vera I also use TTS.
But in MSR I can't select the TTS-service. It's simply not there. Am I missing something, or is this the case, so far?
Thanks!
/Fanan
Hi
I have just connected a bunch of EzloPi controllers to MSR to import some ESP based devices etc.
They all seemed to have worked and imported in to MSR apart from I have one missing device. It is a Digital Gas Sensor device.
This is how that device looks in the Ezlo API.
Devices Info:
_id: "10696001" deviceTypeId: "ezlopi" parentDeviceId: "10696000" category: "level_sensor" subcategory: "" gatewayId: "457a5069" batteryPowered: false name: "Gas Sensor Digital" type: "sensor" reachable: true persistent: true serviceNotification: false armed: false roomId: "" security: "no" ready: true status: "idle" parentRoom: true protectConfig: "default"Items Info:
_id: "20696001" deviceId: "10696001" hasGetter: true hasSetter: false name: "smoke_density" show: true valueType: "substance_amount" scale: "parts_per_million" value: 2.7472610473632812 valueFormatted: "2.75" status: "idle"There is also an Analog Gas sensor that one did import in to MSR OK.
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Devices Info:
_id: "10696000" deviceTypeId: "ezlopi" parentDeviceId: "10696000" category: "security_sensor" subcategory: "gas" gatewayId: "457a5069" batteryPowered: false name: "Gas Sensor Analog" type: "sensor" reachable: true persistent: true serviceNotification: false armed: false roomId: "" security: "no" ready: true status: "idle" parentRoom: true protectConfig: "default"Items Info:
_id: "20696000" deviceId: "10696000" hasGetter: true hasSetter: false name: "gas_alarm" show: true valueType: "token" enum: 0: "no_gas" 1: "combustible_gas_detected" 2: "toxic_gas_detected" 3: "unknown" valueFormatted: "no_gas" value: "no_gas" status: "idle"And this is how this MQ2 Gas Sensor looks like on their dashboard:
Digital
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Analog
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They have an EzloPi website here you can create your own sensor projects using ESP boards, which is very interesting stuff!
And I just wrote on the Ezlo forum here, how to connect an EzloPi controller to MSR.
THANKS.
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here.
Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.A couple of things for you @toggledbits, since you mentioned that this release has new features and some tweaks are expected.
Local expressions cannot be deleted. Pushing the X button has no effect for me.
When cloning an entity action, the result is strange (first is cloned one, second is the original action):
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When changing the action on the cloned element, the params are added to the original one. See screenshot:
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Dark theme has a couple of strange contrasts. One is visible in the previous screenshots (white text on yellow background). Another one is in groups (blue text on blue background):
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Overall, I found blue, yellow, red and green (in buttons and forms) to be too bright.
On the bright side:
I love the new script action: thank you! The dark theme is a great start to avoid getting blinded at night I promise I'll try very soon the new features around actions. Thanks!@toggledbits
I just upgraded to version MSR 24293, bare metal running on Fedora. Upon restart, I am getting a error banner:
I followed the new directions about npm
npm i --no-save --no-package-lock --omit dev
Any idea what the issue is?
Seems like switching the UI to the newly added dark mode (thank you for this) does nothing. The UI stays in light mode and only a few buttons turn into dark mode (see screenshot)
Things I have tried:
Hard refresh
Different browser
Different computer
Restarting Reactor
Failed troubleshooting attempts:
No errors in Chrome console
No relevant errors in Reactor log (can still PM the full log file)
Reactor version: latest-24293-ea42a81d
Hardware: Odroid N2+
Linux version: Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS
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Good morning,
I have a service MQTT service that needs a restart occasionally. The add-on (Smartbed MQTT) is for the smart bed base for my bed. It has a "safety light" that I can control from HAAS & MSR as a light entity, and also moves the head of the bed to a preset at bedtime, and then lies it back flat in the morning The problem is, from time to time, the light becomes "unavailable" Restarting from the Add-ons tab in HAAS always fixes it, but I should be able to detect when it happens when "light.tempur_pedic_safety_lights" is not true or false, i.e., unavailable.
What I don't know how to do is how to restart that service. Does anybody have experience in restarting add-ons from MSR?
Running:
Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-24212-3ce15e25 ZWaveJSController [0.1.24232]HAAS:
RPi5-64 (8GB) Core 2024.7.3 Supervisor 2024.08.0 Operating System 13.0 Frontend 20240710.0
Hi!
Is it possible to generate two additional log files, the first being the replica of what is displayed on screen by the Rule History widgets and the other with Recently Changed Entities?
And could I configure the generation of one file per day, and delete the older ones? For example, store the last 5 days?
And being more ambitious, does Windget have an icon to open these TXT files in the navigated?
Well, we're approaching Christmas, so here's my request to Santa Claus @toggledbits 🙂
Hi @toggledbits
I'm working on a controller to generate llm response from a prompt in reactor. I have http response coming thru an http request action at the moment, capturing the response inside a local variable. So, it's practically sync.
I want to create a controller, so I don't have to rely on a proxy (and have a simpler architecture), and duplicate absurd http actions, but AFAIK in the current implementation, actions are async only. But if I have multiple requests going on, I cannot be sure what it's really inside an attribute. I also thought that something like a correlation id when sending the request could be used to identity multiple responses, but I wanted to double check with you before starting with something too complicated. I also noticed that some actions in home assistant (ie forecast) are sync and I'm wondering if you have any plan or hint to address this situation. Thanks.
Thanks.
@togglebits I am curious as to why the tilt_sensor.state (primary) = NULL. I believe it should show true or false. I have to use binary_sensor.state instead in my rules.
Again, not sure if this is related to Reactor/ZwaveJSController implementation or the actual Z-Wave JS UI docker version. I have copied, below, the attributes of the tilt sensor in hopes it can help.
Thanks in advance.
Reactor version 23302
ZWaveJSController version 23254
Z-Wave JS UI version 9.3.0.724519f
zwave-js version 12.2.3
No drop-down list on Entity Attribute in "Creation Rule Sets" interface
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New installation of Reactor version 23063-c464b685 on a Raspberry PI4 with Portainer/Docker.
Report :
No drop-down list on Entity Attribute in "Creation Rule Sets" interface
I can however visualize the entities.
I have configured HomeAssistant and all entities are coming up fine.
I have an unsupported Hass version 2023.3.0b5.
I'm new to Docker and can someone guide me to a solution?
Christian FABREAlert:
Rule :
Entities:
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[latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.100Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure#1 plugin ID influx disabled; skipping [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.106Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 loading controller interface hass (HassController) [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.210Z <HassController:null> Module HassController v23060 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.639Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 loading controller interface groups (DynamicGroupController) [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.649Z <DynamicGroupController:null> Module DynamicGroupController v22313 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.659Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 loading controller interface reactor_system (SystemController) [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.672Z <SystemController:null> Module SystemController v22306 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.680Z <Structure:INFO> Starting controller HassController#hass [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.682Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass starting... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.691Z <Controller:INFO> HassController#hass loaded hass capabilities ver 22312 rev 2 format 1 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.715Z <Controller:INFO> HassController#hass loaded implementation data ver 23058 rev 1 format 1 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.715Z <Structure:INFO> Starting controller DynamicGroupController#groups [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.728Z <Controller:NOTICE> Controller DynamicGroupController#groups is now online. [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.728Z <Structure:INFO> Starting controller SystemController#reactor_system [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.733Z <Controller:NOTICE> Controller SystemController#reactor_system is now online. [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.877Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass device mapping data loaded; checking... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.881Z <HassController:WARN> HassController: implementation of capability input_select.selector does not provide attribute values [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.884Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass connecting to ws://192.168.1.31:8123/api/websocket [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.894Z <app:NOTICE> Starting HTTP server and API... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.901Z <httpapi:NOTICE> httpapi: starting HTTP service on port "8111" [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.909Z <app:NOTICE> Starting Reaction Engine... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.910Z <Engine:INFO> Reaction Engine starting [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.911Z <Engine:INFO> Checking rule sets... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.916Z <Engine:INFO> Checking rules... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.923Z <Engine:INFO> Data check complete; no corrections. [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.938Z <Rule:NOTICE> rule-leu8xfe4 (rule-leu8xfe4 in First Rule Set) starting [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.939Z <Engine:NOTICE> Reaction Engine running! [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.939Z <Rule:NOTICE> rule-leu8xfe4 (rule-leu8xfe4 in First Rule Set) can't start -- rule is disabled [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.952Z <httpapi:NOTICE> httpapi: listening [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.981Z <app:NOTICE> Starting WSAPI... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:50.983Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: starting version 23053 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.080Z <Engine:INFO> [Engine]Engine#1 master timer tick, local time "3/5/2023 10:51:51 AM" (TZ offset 60 mins from UTC) [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.119Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass connected, starting protocol [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.127Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi: API request from ::ffff:192.168.1.42: GET /api/v1/systime [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.145Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass successful authentication with ws://192.168.1.31:8123; fetching initial data... [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.155Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass Hass reports version "2023.3.0b5" location Maison timezone Europe/Paris state RUNNING safe_mode false [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.245Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.home_assistant_supervisor_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.248Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.home_assistant_core_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.249Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.terminal_ssh_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.250Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.file_editor_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.251Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.samba_backup_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.252Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for update.home_assistant_operating_system_update [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.253Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for sun.sun [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.285Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for calendar.calendrier [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.413Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for siren.piscine_siren [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.419Z <HassController:NOTICE> HassController#hass no signature match for camera.portillon [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.607Z <Controller:INFO> HassController#hass 0 dead entities older than 86400000s purged [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.633Z <Controller:NOTICE> Controller HassController#hass is now online. [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.634Z <DynamicGroupController:INFO> All controllers ready, setting up dynamic groups [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:51.726Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:192.168.1.42 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:55.510Z <wsapi:INFO> client "192.168.1.42#1" closed, code=1001, reason= [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:55.815Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi: API request from ::ffff:192.168.1.42: GET /api/v1/lang [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:55.843Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:192.168.1.42 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:51:56.849Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi: API request from ::ffff:192.168.1.42: GET /api/v1/systime [latest-23063]2023-03-05T09:52:07.392Z <httpapi:INFO> httpapi: API request from ::ffff:192.168.1.42: GET /api/v1/systime---Log Portainer:
NODE_PATH /opt/reactor:/opt/reactor/node_modules [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.734Z <app:null> Reactor build latest-23063-c464b685 starting on v16.15.1 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.736Z <app:null> Process ID 1 user/group 0/0; docker; platform linux/arm64 #1595 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 26 11:07:24 BST 2022; locale (undefined) [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.737Z <app:null> Basedir /opt/reactor; data in /var/reactor/storage [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.738Z <app:null> NODE_PATH=/opt/reactor:/opt/reactor/node_modules [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.875Z <Structure:null> Module Structure v22323 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:17.879Z <Capabilities:null> Module Capabilities v22356 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.004Z <Plugin:null> Module Plugin v22300 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.023Z <TimerBroker:null> Module TimerBroker v22283 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.032Z <Entity:null> Module Entity v22353 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.042Z <Controller:null> Module Controller v23044 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.079Z <default:null> Module Ruleset v22293 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.080Z <default:null> Module Rulesets v22146 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.096Z <GlobalExpression:null> Module GlobalExpression v22146 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.129Z <Predicate:null> Module Predicate v22345 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.139Z <AlertManager:null> Module AlertManager v22283 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.146Z <Rule:null> Module Rule v22345 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.156Z <GlobalReaction:null> Module GlobalReaction v22324 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.159Z <Engine:null> Module Engine v23001 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.171Z <httpapi:null> Module httpapi v23058 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.232Z <wsapi:null> Module wsapi v23053 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.358Z <HassController:null> Module HassController v23060 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.780Z <DynamicGroupController:null> Module DynamicGroupController v22313 [latest-23063]2023-03-05T08:55:18.803Z <SystemController:null> Module SystemController v22306``` -
Where it says "Click to select entity" with a red highlight... if you click that, it will open a dialog that lets you search for and pick the entity. Then you can select the attributes (the attribute list will populate with the available attributes for that specific entity).
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@toggledbits
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Yes, but clicking does not open the dialog box: nothing happens....
I already use a version of Reactor installed on another Raspberry pi4, installed without Docker and it works fine.I'm migrating to a new raspberry pi 4 where I installed Docker, Portainer, MQTT, Zigbee2Mqtt, Zwave-js-ui without issue.
The installation of Reactor seems correct, the only problem is that no dialog box opens when clicking to select an entity.
I restarted the installation several times and I have the same observation.
Can you please give me some hint to try to solve this problem. Why does the click not call the entities dialog box?
THANKS -
Have you hard-refreshed the browser? Tried a different browser?
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I'm using Google Chrome Version 111.0.5563.50 (Official Build) beta (64 bit)
I refreshed the browser, but the click does not open the entities dialog
I just found that I have the same problem on Global expressions, I can't display the entities list.
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Go to the Entities list, and open the detail panel for some entity that you know will have actions, like a light switch or dimmer. Try to click on one of the actions, like
power_switch.offand see if it opens a dialog. If not, your browser has a pop-up blocker embedded and you need to allow the IP address that your new Reactor is installed on to open pop-ups.
Also, did you try a different browser as I suggested?
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Following the change of browser (Microsoft Edge) and the proper functioning of the entities dialog box, I modified my Google Chrome version
from the beta version (Version 111.0.5563.50 (Official build) beta (64 bits))
to the stable version (Version 110.0.5481.178 (Official Build) (64-bit))
to see that it works fine.
Thank you once again for your help which solved my problem which had been going on for several days...
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@christian_fabre said in No drop-down list on Entity Attribute in "Creation Rule Sets" interface:
2- I changed browser, I used Microsoft Edge and miraculously it works and the Entities dialog box opens correctly.
Thank you for your help ...
but why Google Chrome which is my favorite browser does not work ...I note that you're using a beta version of Chrome, which may contain bugs. I tried installing the same beta version, and it worked fine for me, as does the current release version (stable, for Windows). But if Edge works for you, that also suggests the issue is specific to your browser instance.
Again, you need to check Chrome's configuration settings to make sure that pop-ups are explicitly not blocked for the IP address of your host. In Chrome settings, search for "pop-up" to find this configuration area. Failing that, I would try purging all site data and caches in Chrome's "Privacy and Security" settings, and do "Reset Settings" at the root of Chrome's settings.
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