Good morning,
I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to evaluate if a command was completed and retry if it did not complete.
I have 14 iBlinds 3.1 z-wave controllers in my home. 95% of the time, they work just fine. Occasionally, I'll get a blind that does not open on the first attempt. When I go into Home Assistant, and manually open or close the blind, it works.
I have 3 reactions set up for each room. One to open, one to close, and one partial open for sun glare. Each of them is set up as below.
5afc9924-4300-4718-9e23-8855c4a3a9fd-image.png
The reactions are set up to wait for 5 seconds before going onto the next blind, so the z-wave network doesn't get overwhelmed.
In addition, the set command to run the reactions has "Wait for completion" checked.
3919fc06-c1f1-4c49-bf95-716028d18a27-image.png
I also have a routine set up whenever a z-wave device reports as non-functional (dead), it'll get pinged to wake it up. This usually works to wake them up.
16df4bff-c733-4ec2-a55c-c964238ada3b-image.png
Appreciate any ideas to make this more reliable.
I'm running:
Reactor latest-24190-bd310acc, Bare-metal on Fedora WaveJSController [0.1.23326] Home Assistant: 2024.7.0I think this feature request could be accomplished with the use of two or more rules, but it would be great if there was a way to wait for an event or trigger to occur before continuing on in the reactions.
For example, I have a rule that will turn on some exterior lights if you arrive home after the porch lights have been turned off. Right now this rule randomly will turn off between 5-10 minutes after the person has entered the geofence. On some occasions this 5-10 minutes isn't long enough, say if you are unloading the car or something. I would like to kick off the reaction, but pause it part way through and wait for the door to close and lock, then continue it on. Hubitat Rule Machine has a "Wait for event" option, but I really want to keep all my logic within MSR.
Good morning,
I'm going through my ruleset this morning, trying to get away from haas>blahblablah entries and completely migrate them all to zwavejs>xx-0 entries where possible.
I have 3 Aeon MultiSensor 6 devices in my home, all USB powered.
When using Haas entries, I see an entry for hass>binary_sensor_guest_bedroom_multisensor_home_security_motion_detection, and motion_sensor.state (primary)
Screenshot 2024-07-25 at 8.25.53 AM.png
Under ZwaveJS, this entry appears to be missing.
Screenshot 2024-07-25 at 8.26.51 AM.png
From the Entities page:
battery_power.level=1
battery_power.since=1721910337433
binary_sensor.state=false
humidity_sensor.units="%"
humidity_sensor.value=46
light_sensor.units="Lux"
light_sensor.value=5
tamper.state=false
temperature_sensor.units="°F"
temperature_sensor.value=73.8
x_debug.dt={}
x_zwave_values.Basic_currentValue=0
x_zwave_values.Battery_isLow=false
x_zwave_values.Battery_level=100
x_zwave_values.Binary_Sensor_Any=false
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_1_Battery_1=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_1_Humidity_64=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_1_Luminance_128=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_1_Temperature_32=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_1_Ultraviolet_16=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_2_Battery_1=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_2_Humidity_64=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_2_Luminance_128=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_2_Temperature_32=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_2_Ultraviolet_16=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_3_Battery_1=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_3_Humidity_64=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_3_Luminance_128=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_3_Temperature_32=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Report_Group_3_Ultraviolet_16=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Reporting_Interval_Group_1=3600
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Reporting_Interval_Group_2=3600
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Reporting_Interval_Group_3=3600
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Automatic_Temperature_Reporting_Unit=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Battery_Level_Threshold=10
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Current_Power_Mode_65280=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Humidity_Above_Lower_Limit_32=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Humidity_Below_Lower_Limit_2=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Humidity_Change_Threshold=10
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Humidity_Recover_Limit=5
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Humidity_Sensor_Calibration=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_LED_Blinking=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lighting_Recover_Limit=10
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lock_Configuration=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Low_Battery_Threshold=20
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Low_Temperature_Alarm_15_C=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lower_Humidity_Limit=50
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lower_Lighting_Limit=100
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lower_Temperature_Limit_4294901760=320
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lower_Temperature_Limit_Unit_3840=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Lower_Ultraviolet_Limit=4
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Luminance_Above_Lower_Limit_64=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Luminance_Below_Lower_Limit_4=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Luminance_Change_Threshold=100
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Luminance_Sensor_Calibration=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Motion_Sensor_Report_Type_to_Send=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_PIR_Sensitivity=3
x_zwave_values.Configuration_PIR_Sensor_Timeout=20
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Recover_Limit_Temperature_Unit_255=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Above_Humidity_Threshold_32=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Above_Luminance_Threshold_64=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Above_Temperature_Threshold_16=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Above_Ultraviolet_Threshold_128=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Below_Humidity_Threshold_2=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Below_Luminance_Threshold_4=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Below_Temperature_Threshold_1=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Report_Below_Ultraviolet_Threshold_8=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Reset_Parameters_101_103_to_Default_Values=null
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Reset_Parameters_111_113_to_Default_Values=null
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Reset_to_Factory_Default_Setting=null
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Selective_Reporting=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Sleep_State_255=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Above_Lower_Limit_16=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Below_Lower_Limit_1=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Calibration_Offset_65280=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Calibration_Unit_255=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Change_Threshold_4294901760=20
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Recover_Limit_65280=20
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Temperature_Threshold_Unit_3840=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Ultraviolet_Above_Lower_Limit_128=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Ultraviolet_Below_Lower_Limit_8=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Ultraviolet_Change_Threshold=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Ultraviolet_Recover_Limit=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Ultraviolet_Sensor_Calibration=0
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Upper_Humidity_Limit=60
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Upper_Lighting_Limit=1000
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Upper_Temperature_Limit_4294901760=824
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Upper_Temperature_Limit_Unit_3840=2
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Upper_Ultraviolet_Limit=8
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Wake_Device_for_10_minutes_After_Power_On=1
x_zwave_values.Configuration_Wake_Up_Timeout=15
x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_manufacturerId=134
x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_productId=100
x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_productType=258
x_zwave_values.Multilevel_Sensor_Air_temperature=73.8
x_zwave_values.Multilevel_Sensor_Humidity=46
x_zwave_values.Multilevel_Sensor_Illuminance=5
x_zwave_values.Multilevel_Sensor_Ultraviolet=0
x_zwave_values.Notification_Home_Security_Cover_status=0
x_zwave_values.Notification_Home_Security_Motion_sensor_status=0
x_zwave_values.Notification_alarmLevel=0
x_zwave_values.Notification_alarmType=0
x_zwave_values.Version_firmwareVersions=["1.17"]
x_zwave_values.Version_hardwareVersion=100
x_zwave_values.Version_libraryType=3
x_zwave_values.Version_protocolVersion="4.54"
x_zwave_values.Wake_Up_controllerNodeId=1
x_zwave_values.Wake_Up_wakeUpInterval=3600
zwave_device.capabilities=[32,48,49,112,113,114,128,132,134]
zwave_device.endpoint=0
zwave_device.failed=false
zwave_device.generic_class="Multilevel Sensor"
zwave_device.impl_sig="23326:1:22315:1"
zwave_device.is_beaming=false
zwave_device.is_listening=true
zwave_device.is_routing=true
zwave_device.is_secure=false
zwave_device.manufacturer_info=[134,258,100]
zwave_device.max_data_rate=null
zwave_device.node_id=53
zwave_device.specific_class="Routing Multilevel Sensor"
zwave_device.status=4
zwave_device.status_text="alive"
zwave_device.version_info=[null,"1.17"]
zwave_device.wakeup_interval=3600
I'm running:
Reactor latest-24190-bd310acc, Bare-metal on Fedora
WaveJSController [0.1.23326]
Home Assistant: 2024.7.0
I'm fetching certain data five past every hour, but I would like to do it closer to the hour, e.g. 1 or 2 past (but not at the hour).
I experimented with the following rule that almost works (triggers also at the hour which is not the intention). Any advice for a solution?
It would be nice to have an ability to bookmark a direct link to a dashboard item. In my case I would use this feature to access a virtual switch directly.
Hi @toggledbits
Would you please consider adding an extra sublevel in the rulesets?
I have grouped my rules in rooms/ areas. This works great for me, but I would also like to group rules for the same functionality (in a room). This would make the rules easier to find and name.
Please let me know if this is an option. Thanks!
@togglebits I am curious as to why the tilt_sensor.state (primary) = NULL. I believe it should show true or false. I have to use binary_sensor.state instead in my rules.
Again, not sure if this is related to Reactor/ZwaveJSController implementation or the actual Z-Wave JS UI docker version. I have copied, below, the attributes of the tilt sensor in hopes it can help.
Thanks in advance.
Reactor version 23302
ZWaveJSController version 23254
Z-Wave JS UI version 9.3.0.724519f
zwave-js version 12.2.3
@toggledbits,
I have this device attached to my system, but use a DSC panel. If you need testers to move forward, I'm happy to help.
I'm curious what your thinking the use case is for this. I currently have it integrated into HomeAssistant, and it works fine for the most part. The one thing I can't do is bypass zones, which I would like to have the ability to do.
Are you looking at more direct control for the panel, as opposed to having to jump through HA (or another system) first?
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here.
Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.I have the following ruleset which I though had been working well until this morning when I noticed it's not.
I've put four weather conditions in an in array and one of them is the current weather condition - but the rule is not true. Now the cloud cover percentage is not yet met but this is an or rule so as long as the "Current Conditions" are met then it should go true.
What's the obvious thing I'm missing here? (I've tried spaces/no spaces in the in and no difference.)
Hi,
Running the latest MSR latest-24152-3455578a with the latest HA 2024.6.1. When trying to call a service I get the following in the MSR logs. Is this a version mismatch? I am not seeing anything in the HA logs.
[latest-24152]2024-06-11T10:29:56.162Z <Rule:INFO> rule-Monitor-DHW (rule-lsvq5k3x in Central Heating) started [latest-24152]2024-06-11T10:29:58.625Z <HassController:WARN> HassController#hass unknown service opentherm_gw.set_hot_water_setpoint in x_hass.call_service action on Thermostat#hass>climate_living_room_otgw [latest-24152]2024-06-11T10:29:58.626Z <HassController:INFO> HassController#hass: sending payload for x_hass.call_service on Thermostat#hass>climate_living_room_otgw action: [Object]{ "type": "call_service", "service_data": { "gateway_id": "living_room_otgw", "temperature": 65 }, "domain": "opentherm_gw", "service": "set_hot_water_setpoint", "target": { "entity_id": "climate.living_room_otgw" } } [latest-24152]2024-06-11T10:29:58.627Z <HassController:ERR> HassController#hass request 1718101798626<6/11/2024, 12:29:58 PM> (call_service) failed: [Object]{ "id": 1718101798626, "type": "result", "success": false, "error": { "code": "invalid_format", "message": "extra keys not allowed @ data['entity_id']" } } [latest-24152]2024-06-11T10:29:58.627Z <HassController:WARN> HassController#hass action x_hass.call_service([Object]{ "service": "opentherm_gw.set_hot_water_setpoint", "data": "{ \"gateway_id\": \"living_room_otgw\", \"temperature\": 65 }" }) on Thermostat#hass>climate_living_room_otgw failed!Cheers Rene
Some background
I'm trying to integrate a Zigbee device into the MSR using zigbee2mqtt bridge and MQTTController. The device in question is a cheap mood light that has following properties that I'd like to control:
I'v already managed to get the switch part working and can toggle the light on/off. Also the brightness value is mapped back to MSR. In zigbee2mqtt it has a value range from 0 to 254, so this the reason for the expression:
expr: 'payload.brightness / 254'Here's the entity definition (don't know whether the type should be something else than the Switch)
zigbee-lidl-mood-light: name: 'Lidl Mood Light' friendly_name: 'Mood Light' type: Switch uses_template: lidl-moodlightAnd the corresponding template (NOTE: rgb_color has not been defined in this example):
lidl-moodlight: init: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/get/state" query: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/get/state" capabilities: - power_switch - toggle - dimming primary_attribute: power_switch.state events: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%": "power_switch.state": json_payload: true expr: 'upper(payload.state) == "ON"' "dimming.level": json_payload: true expr: 'payload.brightness / 254' actions: power_switch: "on": topic: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/set/state" payload: 'ON' "off": topic: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/set/state" payload: 'OFF' set: topic: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/set/state" payload: expr: "parameters.state ? 'ON' : 'OFF'" type: raw toggle: topic: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/set/state" payload: 'TOGGLE'The problem
In order to control the brightness or the RGB color values, I would have send a JSON payload in corresponding actions. But I have no idea how to define it in the template. The reason why the switch part is working is that the zigbee2mqtt accepts also plain ON / OFF / TOGGLE string payloads in that case.
But the brightness should be controlled with the following payload:
{"brightness": 196}And the RGB color like:
{"color":{"rgb":"46,102,150"}}Here's the link for the documentation (the Exposes part defines the messages).
So how should I define the JSON payload for example for the dimming action? It definitely should be some sort of expressions since I have to map the MSR real value (0...1) to (0...254) for the zigbee2mqtt.
actions: dimming: set: topic: "zigbee2mqtt/%friendly_name%/set" payload: expr: ????? type: jsonAnother problem is the RGB value. I could use the rgb_color capability for the setting but the problem is that the zigbee2mqtt only reports the current color in hue/saturation or xy coordinates.
Here's an example of published message after setting the color:
Topic: zigbee2mqtt/Mood Light QoS: 0 { "brightness":254, "color":{ "hue":240, "saturation":100, "x":0.1355, "y":0.0399 }, "color_mode":"xy", "color_temp":574, "linkquality":96, "state":"ON" }I would have to map those values back to RGB, but is it even possible with existing constructs in MQTTController's templates?
Help would be appreciated @toggledbits
br,
mgvra
That's probably more appropriate to post on Mantis for @toggledbits, but since I know there's at least @Crille publishing templates, my intent with this post is to open a broader discussion.
Long story short: I'm starting to slowly add new template for Shelly Plus and I noticed I'll end up with a dozen more templates, all similar but simply different in trivial details, all sharing a large amount of code and all needing special cares when fixing bugs/adding features (as the latest wifi_status addition).
So, I'm wondering if it's time to start thinking of some sort of inheritance in templates, where I could just create a generic shelly_gen1 and use it as a base for shelly_relay, and this be used as the base for shelly_relay_power and so on.
I could probably achieve this with some sort of scripting on my side to generate templates via code, but maybe there's a better way of doing this, or it's already on the radar.
I need a handful of victims volunteers to help test previews of the next build of Reactor. A long-standing request was for "a simple login mechanism," but in practice, adding user authentication and competent access control turned out to be a pretty big project with a lot of big changes on both server and client sides. It's a bit more than I'm comfortable testing myself and springing out to everyone at once, so I'd like to work with a small group to put it through "sea trials."
Major changes/features include:
User authentication with hashed password storage; User group configuration with application restriction (admin, dashboard, API); Detailed control over API access, with user- and token-based authentication/authorization; Improvements to the HTTPS service; Improvements to UI coordination with the core for Rules and Reactions.If this sounds like something you'd like to help with, drop me a reply here in this thread or privately.
[Solution: Reactor 24115 is not compatible with MQTTController > 24120]
Reactor latest-24115 bare metal.
All MQTT entities stop working after updating MQTTController to 24142, downgrade to 24120 and they are back. Templates and configured entities has not been changed between versions.
I'm not sure if uses_template should be replaced by ìnclude in entity configuration in reactor.yaml but I guess not, I've tried it and it did not do any difference.
I have not tried to update Reactor to userauth version.
Example entity in reactor.yaml that uses MQTTController included template:
entities: "takflakt_kallare": name: "Takfläkt källare" topic: "Källartemp" unit: "" uses_template: tasmota_generic_relay init: "cmnd/%topic%/POWER%unit%"Any hints? Do you need more info, please let me know.
Log from startup:
I'm slowly migrating all my stuff to MQTT under MSR, so I have a central place to integrate everything (and, in a not-so-distant future, to remove virtual devices from my Vera and leave it running zwave only).
Anyway, here's my reactor-mqtt-contrib package:
![](https://github.com/fluidicon.png)
Contrib MQTT templates for Reactor. Contribute to dbochicchio/reactor-mqtt-contrib development by creating an account on GitHub.
Simply download yaml files (everything or just the ones you need) and you're good to go.
I have mapped my most useful devices, but I'll add others soon. Feel free to ask for specific templates, since I've worked a lot in the last weeks to understand and operate them.
The templates are supporting both init and query, so you have always up-to-date devices at startup, and the ability to poll them. Online status is supported as well, so you can get disconnected devices with a simple expression.
Many-many thanks to @toggledbits for its dedication, support, and patience with me and my requests 🙂
Is the following config correct?
- id: time_series name: "Out temp" capabilities: temperature_sensor: attributes: value: model: time series entity: "hass>sensor_outdoor_temperature" attribute: "temperature_sensor.value" interval: 5 # minutes retention: 20 # minutes aggregate: wma primary_attribute: temperature_sensor.value type: ValueSensorSpecifically, is "depth" directive needed/mandatory here? Reason I'm asking is that I'm not getting a "final" value in MSR, only debug values are shown:
temperature_sensor.units=null temperature_sensor.value=null x_virtualentity.last_request_time=null x_virtualentity.request_failures=null x_virtualentity.template=null x_virtualentity.timeseries_debug=[{"time":1716537360000,"value":22.1},{"time":1716537660000,"value":22},{"time":1716537960000,"value":22},{"time":1716538260000,"value":21.9},{"time":1716538560000,"value":22}]Good morning,
I apologize if this subject has been covered. I did try the search, but I'm not coming up with any topics on my issue.
I'm running userauth-24137-57b41335, bare metal installation on Fedora 39 Server.
I have a rule set up to turn the Eco mode off on my Nest Thermostat when the thermostat is set to Away (Rule State: Away Mode), the user (Driver) presence in my car changes to true, and the destination is set to home.
93804f7c-62d6-42c0-ae04-ff602011a6fd-image.png
This works fine for most days, where I'm headed home from work (commute is about 45 minutes). What I don't want it to do is set change it to Eco mode if my ETA is more than an hour.
There is a sensor/entity for Time to Arrival when the Destination is set. What it appears to provide is the Time OF arrival/ETA, not time until arrival. If it was Time until Arrival, and it was a numeric value, I could simply test if the value is less than 60 and be done with it.
I pulled up the history through Home Assistant for my morning commute and this appears to be what it is providing.
c2a32739-c84f-4a05-95d9-73793ed818f5-image.png
So what I need to do is to do a calculation of the the ETA from the sensor value and subtract the current time, and get a value in minutes that I can determine if it's less than 60.
I believe I can do this with the local expression, but I don't see anything for the system time, or local time. Also, do the local expressions update themselves if the sensors do?
Good morning,
I'm running userauth-24137-57b41335 on Fedora 39, bare metal installation.
ZWaveJSController 0.1.23254
Home Assistant:
Core, 2024.5.3 Supervisor, 2024.05.1 Operating System, 12.3 Frontend, 20240501.1I'm trying to troubleshoot a Dynamic Group Controller and notification alert that I've set up for low battery level.
In my Reactor.config, I have the following lines:
name: "Dynamic Group Controller" implementation: DynamicGroupController config: groups: "zwavejs_dead": select: - include_group: "zwavejs" filter_expression: "entity?.attributes?.zwave_device?.status == 3" group_actions: true "low_battery": select: - include_capability: battery_power filter_expression: > entity.attributes.battery_power.level < 0.35The idea here is that I should only have members of this group that have a battery level below 35%. When I go into Entities, I show a whole slew of devices, none of which have a battery level below the threshold.
a77e445b-ab78-4752-a624-3c4117f34f90-image.png
I also tried setting up a rule to generate a push notification once a day, but with all of the group members, I've had to disable the rule. I believe I have it set up correctly, but I'm not 100% sure. I want the notification to tell me the battery level for that device as well.
289b4f68-03ba-49c0-8275-f0f197d13a3a-image.png
ce24a76e-6865-40bd-bd85-632e54d315a8-image.png dc837424-deb5-4ef7-8f0d-3676f1769535-image.png
Can anyone point to me what I may have misconfigured to get these results?
I should also note I'm only interested in ZWaveJS devices. It's showing me battery status for my iPad and car as well, which I don't need it to send me.
Change in Plans (Don't Panic)
-
Everyone, I've had a change in thinking.
As many of you know, I had decided to not build an MSR interface for eZLO's new controllers, for multiple reasons, not the least of which was that I had chosen not to use an eZLO hub in my future HA. I am currently straddling three hubs: Vera, Home Assistant, and Hubitat. I am actually very much enjoying the flexibility this has provided. But these three hubs are enough for the moment, and when the venerable Vera Plus on which my house has operated since 2017 dies, I will likely just move the rest of my ZWave devices to the other hubs and reduce by one.
Another reason for my previous decision was the risk of fluidity/instability in the eZLO APIs. Since this is first generation work, and even now as they approach the three-year mark on development and are still in "beta" with much functionality still incomplete or missing altogether (plugin UI framework?... anyone? anyone?), it stands to reason that, like all projects in this phase in particular, choices are made that need to be revisited. To be fair, Hass and Hubitat are not immune from this either, even as much more mature products with greater market penetration. In any case, I've demurred because of the high perceived risk of change and breakage, and didn't want to put myself (again) on the critical path of my own user base waiting for me to catch up. I accept now, however, that events like this are just part and parcel of the environment in which I've chosen to work. As I said, if it's not eZLO changing something, it's going to be Hass, or something else. I haven't had a breaking change hit from the Hubitat side yet, but it's probably just a matter of time. Just as I seek to improve my work, they must seek to improve theirs.
The upshot is that I've decided to write an eZLO interface, and I've been working on that for a few days and now have a working prototype running. It works with the few devices I have available for it, and there's a lot that's assumed and untested about all the others. Think back to March, when MSR was first released -- the process of going through and stabilizing these interfaces under all the different external conditions, with devices in your environments that I don't, and sometimes cannot, have -- it takes time. Drilling out all of the details of device behaviors and data, and how each hub handles them differently, takes time. But it's going to be a reality. Aside from this, reading the other forums makes me realize just how much this is needed, if only because there appears as yet to be no articulated concrete plan (e.g. words beyond a promise with no date) to support easy migration from a Vera to an eZLO. MSR touts itself as a tool to assist such migrations between hubs. An eZLO interface must exist.
To set expectations: you'll see the first version of this interface in a build in the next couple of weeks. It will be an add-in. Like MSR itself, I will be limiting the initial audience, and those of you that participate in the early use and testing will be asked to provide lots of diagnostics and feedback (so please don't ask/participate if you're not willing and able to put in the time). It's brand new, unfinished work; there will be lots of bugs, and lots of holes, and it's going to take a lot to get them all squashed and filled, respectively.
Based on what I've learned so far from this project, I also want to forewarn you that it may include access to my cloud infrastructure for automatic logging (to make our mutual efforts to examine problems easier and faster), at least during the early stages. At the moment, MSR has no hard Internet-access dependencies, so this is a change for this interface work.
Also, I probably will ultimately be charging a modest monthly or annual subscription for the eZLO interface, which is a change from policy and practice to date. The amount of effort the project has demanded and can demand in future makes it necessary that I consider a business model. I know that gives some pause, but it should also give you confidence that I am thinking of a long-term future. But, those of you who, as of this writing, hold active accounts on the MSR bug tracker and have participated so valuably in the testing and improvement of MSR, are grand-fathered in to a perpetual (personal/non-commercial use) license to MSR and this interface (no fees, at least for what parts are produced by my hand; I cannot control what others may choose to do if/when third party development takes root). I am considering extending that benefit to everyone who has donated to my projects from the start to date; that is, including those who supported Reactor for Vera, without which MSR would never had been born.
I can probably predict from these forums and others who the active eZLO users are going to be, but if you want to work with me on it, please let me know by reply here. I will be relying on you heavily, because I am not going to be a big consumer of the hub, so a lot of the work will require data collected from you and your hub and investigative work on that evidence, rather than first-hand experience and witnessed events in my own environment. But I'm confident it will work, as much gets done this way already, and investing in more and deeper troubleshooting tools is always a good investment.
Thanks to all of you who have supported this project. Onward...
-
Looking forward to seeing the Ezlo version of MSR, I don't use the Ezlo hubs so I won't be able to contribute but with the addition of MSR it may make switching from my Vera Plus to an Ezlo controller a total possibility. I am sure MSR will become a staple for the platform just like how Reactor was in the Vera controllers. Good luck Patrick!!!
-
MSR has enabled me to explore Hubitat and I have been impressed with many features. Zigbee works much better and I have added devices that integrate well into my home control most of which is on VeraPlus. I am slowly moving to the VeraPlus just hosting the devices with most of the control through MR.
I pay for Altui and was thinking the other day I would not be opposed to a subscription plan for MSR as it is more valuable to me than Altui.
I was thinking about playing with Home Assistant but could pick up an ezlo plus controller if you are looking for guinea pigs. I could certainly give you the view of someone who just knows enough to be dangerous.
Thanks for all your work helping folks realize their home automation dreams. -
@Pabla To be clear, MSR will not run on the eZLO hub, just as it does not run on Hubitat or Vera. MSR will always run on independent hardware (Hass can be an exception because you are in control of the host hardware). So if you're running MSR on Synology, RPI, or your favorite Linux or Windows host, it will interface with eZLO in exactly the same way that it does with Vera, Hass, and Hubitat.
-
@toggledbits Ah yes that's what I mean't
-
I have an Ezlo Plus and an Ezlo Atom. On the Elzo Plus I have lots of devices on there, however most of them are emulated virtual devices mirrored from the "real" devices on my production Vera Plus, this was done using Rene's 3rd party Vera to Ezlo bridge plugin.
I do also have some real Z-Wave devices paired directly to the Ezlo Plus hub.
I would be happy to help test this new MSR interface and I am very happy to see you have decided to make it. This is a massive boost for Ezlo themselves in my opinion as they currently have no native logic rules engine of their own.
The "rule sets" in the beta Ezlo web GUI are basic and pretty much Vera scenes you would find in the Vera mobile app and only have a little improvement thus far, for example we now have basic AND / OR however in these scenes, which we never had on the Vera firmware hubs.
PM me if you want direct access to my Ezlo Plus controller happy for you to poke around and have a look at it.
-
@toggledbits I bought 2 test controllers a while back, and I would be more than happy to help any way I can.
Do you have any idea what use case/device interaction scope would look like to give you the data you need?
I am pretty flexible over here...
-
@toggledbits I’m so thankful for the time and effort you put into MSR so the least I can do is give something back. I’d love to participate with my Ezlo Plus running about 20 zigbee devices in production, the logic is already in MSR so switching to a new interface would be easy for testing.
-
Thanks to all who have replied/volunteered. Variety of devices is key, so anything and everything is helpful. As you may have seen in these forums, even several months into fairly stable integrations for the other hubs, devices keep popping up with little exceptions or gaps in completion. More data is better is less. All of the interfaces drop files in the
logs
folder at the moment that I can use for fairly good diagnostics and forensics, so that theme will continue and get some embellishments for eZLO.I expect the first wave of testing will just be "look and see"... do the devices come in as correct MSR entities, do they have their correct attributes, and are they correctly identified and, where appropriate, assigned sensible system capabilities (in addition to extension capabilities of the
x_ezlo_etc
variety). Startup configuration is also always a first-level challenge, and in this case, we'll have two different options: secured access (login through eZLO's cloud to get a local access token), and unsecured access (secured access can be disabled on the hub, eliminating the need for cloud login/token requests to get local access to the hub). Login + attributes will enable all of the rule/condition capabilities automatically. The second wave will follow immediately (as in with the next breath) to see that actions work and to what extent they need extension or repair, and that completes reactions. Things converged pretty quickly with the other three interfaces, so I'm hopeful this can be highly functional in short order. -
I have a VeraPlus (daily driver), another VeraPlus (used/spare), an eZLO Atom 2.0 (unused), Vera Edge running the LInux f/w (unused), an eZLO Plus (beta testing / unused) and an old Vera 1 (connected / idle) divided among two different residences.
@toggledbits , surely others have made a similar offer by now, so I presume you are "set" for want of controllers -- but IF you require any of these for use in-house, just ask and I'll happily ship/donate.
Likewise, IF you need me to test some particular thing out from my side (Synology NAS > Docker > MSR > hub(s)), also just ask. Who knows, it might be the first/last thing I ever do with eZLO hardware, which otherwise is going in the trash at some point.
Glad you made this decision; I was concerned that you might inadvertently wind up with spare time on your hands. Oh, and THANK YOU for so thoughtfully grandfathering those who've toiled in the trenches alongside you lo these many weeks and months. For that you will not be sorry.
- Libra
-
@librasun I actually have a pretty big fist full of controllers myself. It's not really controllers I'm wanting for, it's devices and environments. The more hands this touches that aren't mine, the more things break, and the better things get for it. Hold on to them!
@librasun said in Change in Plans (Don't Panic):
Who knows, it might be the first/last thing I ever do with eZLO hardware, which otherwise is going in the trash at some point.
I absolutely doubt most users of the Atom or PlugHub would be a user of MSR (except in some fringe cases, like for an out-building). But those eZLO Plus's (in full or prototype/skeletal form) could be useful. They seem to have a similar architecture to the Raspberry Pi 4. Maybe once I get the ZWaveJS interface fleshed out (that's also been in the works), I can just publish an MSR replacement firmware for the Plus hardware. You know, for science.
-
@toggledbits said in Change in Plans (Don't Panic):
can just publish an MSR replacement firmware for the Plus hardware. You know, for science
So would it also act as a Z-Wave radio?
Or would you still need another second hub like Vera or the Ezlo or Hubitat etc, to act as the Z-Wave controller?
-
ZWaveJS would just talk to the on-board ZWave chip (via a serial/USB interface). Vera works the same way. So, yes, it would function as the ZWave radio in addition to being the rules engine.
-
So an all in one controller then!
Might have to get my hands on another Ezlo Plus hub, so I can test both setups, native Ezlo or MSR with Z-Wave JS.
-
@toggledbits said in Change in Plans (Don't Panic):
So, yes, it would function as the ZWave radio in addition to being the rules engine.
Looking forward to this, so I could add openluup to the mix and call it a day
-
I have as many before me, a Ezlo Plus laying around, and collecting dust. I've been waiting for a good reason to use it. When I got the Ezlo Plus, and I heard of the new Z-wave standard with better range I went really hopeful. Combined with MSR it looked like a winning concept. But the lack of stabilty, a working UI, and non-beta made me loose interest. If I can contribute in any way, I'd be honoured.
-
While I think a complete replacement firmware would be a fun exercise (and very possibly useful), we already have shown with openLuup and MSR that a Vera on its own is pretty stable in a reduced role as a ZWave radio and little else. So far my testing with the eZLO hub is yielding similar results, with the added benefit that it's demonstrably more stable when ZWave devices become unreachable (the Achilles Heel of current Vera firmware). I suspect we'll find that MSR running on a Pi, NAS, or other host against an eZLO hub still on its native firmware gives almost all of the benefits, without the need to replace the firmware on the hub itself. It will be fun to try it both ways, but I suspect that the simplest solution is going to be the best. And it will be here in a few days, where figuring out the firmware replacement will likely take a good bit more effort (and so is not really a goal, currently, just more of an experiment for a future weekend).
-
Hi,
I have already commented on the other forum that my VeraPlus was saved from an incinerator or the tires of my car a few times, thanks to Reactor, and gained new life with MSR, so Patrick you know that you have in my person a collaborator (with limitations of technical knowledge), but a person who likes to explore and especially give suggestions that help users.
But, in my humble opinion, I will not make the mistake of buying an eZLO, I am seriously considering investing now in a Hubitat because I am tired of my VeraPlus being incompatible with any ZegBee or other devices with S2. The eZLO developers should follow the same line of not listening to the 3PP, the independent developers, and go back to repeating Vera's mistakes in my opinion.
This way I recognize your huge effort for the HA community, I am sure you have done a lot but in this new eZLO endeavor I will not be able to help, count me full on MSR for VeraPlus and Hubitat.