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    (Last Updated: August 13, 2021)
    • Adding remotes, scene controllers as entities to MSR

      A

      EDIT: 2022.07.01

      So I will try to remake this thread to some kind of guide for future use, or in worst case a documentation of my failure. At least that could also be useful for letting someone know what didn't work...
      I have zero knowledge of programming, so every time I need to edit a config file in HomeAssistant or similar it requires a good portion of googletime and read, re-reading instructions.
      Also is english not my native language, so bear with me.

      Two goals!
      1: Get MSR to take notice (and then actions of course) of pressed buttons on remotes.
      2: Document what I do in hope I can help someone else in the future.

      I will use a Fibaro Keyfob as described below, but what I understand from Togglebits answers most type of remotes should work in similar ways.

      Original thread:
      Fibaro Keyfob support in MSR? (thru Hassio & Z-wave JS)
      Hi

      I just bought a Fibaro Keyfob FGKF-601 and plan to give this to my son so he can control some stuff in his own room. Primary some lightning and Sonos, maybe blinds in the future.

      As the noob I am it will, of course, not work as I expected.👶🏻

      The remote handle 1x, 2x, 3x clicks per button (six of them) and "release button"
      I thought that it would appear like some "scene controller" in HA and that I could make Rules in MSR depending on what scene-entety that was triggered.
      So is not the case, and if that is because of HA, Z-wave JS or MSR I have no idea.
      I found a HA Blueprint that works in HA, but of course I would prefer to keep all automation in MSR.
      I guess a workaround could be using HA virtual switches "Helpers" that I suppose will come up as an on/off trigger in MSR, but before going this way I would like to check with the wisdom of your guys if there is a better way of doing this.

      I am using:
      MSR 22168 on windows.
      Home Assistant Core 2022.6.7
      Home Assistant Supervisor 2022.05.3
      Home Assistant OS 7.6
      Z-Wave JS version: 0.1.64

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    • Constraints under triggers or under constraints, what is the difference?

      A

      Need to ask, have thougth about this since the move from Rector to MSR I think.

      What is the difference between putting constraints under trigger groups, like this
      23b4a249-3292-41cd-9927-7f49c9bf1d07-image.png

      Compared to this similar rule, but the time limits is under contraints instead?
      ee596c9f-f52b-4a39-9605-f5932f3d9ed5-image.png

      I think the Constraints parts in manual is still to be done because I can only find in the chapter menu, but it is not mentioned anywhere else.

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    • The Home Remote with MSR

      MikeReadington

      Did anyone do/start any work on a full integration with The Home Remote application yet?

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    • Condition must occur after -restriction not working

      tunnus

      Running MSR 22123 in Docker container and trying to use "condition must occur after" option. Will update to the latest build and log a PR if needed, but wanted to poll first if anyone is using this option successfully?

      I have the following rules:

      Screenshot 2022-06-28 at 15.18.50.png

      Notification activity connected to "Alarm disabled" rule did not trigger. I also did another test with quite simple rules and that didn't work either (FWIIW - when observing that test in "real-time", I didn't see any timer running on the second rule while the first rule was true).

      As said, before going further with debug/logs, nice to know if someone is using this option/restriction (successfully).

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    • Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements

      toggledbits

      Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here.

      Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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    • [Solved] Changes in 22178 for HASS sensor no longer provide a value in topic "value", MQTTController echo capability

      Crille

      Before updating to 22178 there was a primary value echoed in MQTTControllers echo capability, can I tell the controller which value to put as primary from HASS sensors after this change as it now is null? or is it a bug?

      I have not changed the

      primary_attributes: true

      mqtt_value.PNG

      Reactor latest-22178 bare metal
      Hass 2022.6.7

      Edit: Solved in build 22179

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    • Using InfluxDB with MSR

      wmarcolin

      Hi!

      I have a system that I consider pretty stable, running in a VM Ubuntu 20.04, it has some communication failures, but I think more by HE than by the OS/MSR.

      I'm thinking of taking the next step to get more advantages from the system, and I'm thinking of using InfluxDB maybe for queries or to extend rules.

      The question is, I would like practical examples of what really helps to install InfluxDB? What would you be doing that really makes a difference with this installation? Can you post examples of features or information?

      Thanks

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    • git hub docker container not available?

      Black Cat

      @toggledbits - what now?

      Re: Cheapest platform on which to run MSR

      21aaf68e-c031-414d-847d-d8bec01d57e7-Clipboard01.jpg

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    • Synology NAS docker image replacement

      MikeReadington

      Hi Everyone,

      MSR had a docker image file naming convention change, and I am not exactly sure how to swap the image out. I'm sure it's not rocket science, I've just never done this before.

      I am using a Synology NAS, and under the environment tab there is a "REACTOR_IMAGE" variable. Can I just change the image name to the new image naming convention and clear the container, or should I launch a new container and populate the volume location from the previous reactor?

      Thanks in advance

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    • Cheapest platform on which to run MSR

      T

      Please can anyone give me advice on a cheap way to run MSR (both initial cost and ongoing electricity cost). I currently run it on my QNAP network drive (which works very well incidentally). However, this draws a constant 35Watts (£90/yr @ 30p/kWh) and given the recent rise in fuel costs I am evaluating the best way forwards. Note, I only really need to turn my QNAP on for an hour a week to back-up my computer data. I understand that MSR can run on a Raspberry PI, but I am not competent with Linux! Thanks.

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    • Copying configuraiton and rules from QNAP install to Raspberry PI 4 install

      T

      I have made good progress setting up a new Raspberry PI 4 with the latest OS (64bit) and latest Reactor images in Docker. However I am not able to copy my configuraiton files (.yml) and reactor reactions over. I am not yet that confident with linux commands, so I have tired to drag and drop the files from a USB drive to the working folders in my new Raspberry PI. I am getting a popup in the GUI stating 'The file operation was completed with errors.' and Errors occured: "rule-xxxxxx.json: Error opening file "/home/pi/reactor/....................................json":Permission denied.

      I suspect it's something to do with permissions?

      Is there an easier way to copy my configuration over??

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    • Alexa TTS via Home Assistant?

      T

      Hello All -

      I'm gradually moving away from Vera to Home Assistant. I've recently gotten the Alexa and Mini Media Player setup in Home Assistant and everything is working well.

      Is there a way to call this service from Reactor? My goal is to send TTS requests to HAAS upon certain events within Reactor (e.g. "Front Door Opened")

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    • Integrate UPS with MSR

      wmarcolin

      I have a Tripp-Lite UPS (https://www.tripplite.com/smartpro-lcd-120v-1500va-900w-line-interactive-ups-avr-tower-lcd-usb-10-outlets~smart1500lcdt) that connected by a USB cable to my computer, reports various power supply and failure information, as shown in the panel below.

      b9f0ea34-d654-4b26-b968-4f8cf0a4e0c1-image.png

      afa73913-5318-42c6-af9a-02d36e2e6ea1-image.png

      The application I installed runs Java and opens the console to send the information.

      Has anyone tried to bring the information into the MSR? Or even a VeraPlus?

      Thanks.

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    • Reactor as tab in Hass sidebar

      Matohl

      panel_iframe in configuration.yaml. If you access MSR with HTTP it works in HA with HTTP to Reactor and HTTPS to HTTPS obviously.

      configuration.yaml

      # ============ SIDEBAR ============ panel_iframe: reactor: title: "Reactor" url: "http://192.168.0.23:8111/reactor/sv-SE/"
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    • Documentation>Network Status

      S

      It appears that in the Manual, under Management>Network Status is for Reactor on Vera. Is the Internet check functionality available with MSR and if so is there updated instructions? I do see a variable reactor_system.internet.ok but the value is null.
      I am looking for a way to check for internet status with MSR before installing an extra app on a hub to get the information.

      Synology Docker latest-22149

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    • MSR Upgrade from 22119 to 22136 fails, service wont start

      W

      Windows Server 2022 Build 20348
      Nodejs v16.14.0
      Currently running Reactor (Multi-hub) stable-22119-ae7212f
      Linked to Hass 2022.0.5.4 (on a different box)
      Windows server is dedicated to MSR and doesn't do anything else.

      I'd like to upgrade to 22136 to take advantage of the SSL feature added recently, and also to bring my current version of Hass into the 'supported' column with MSR.

      Following the instructions here: link text, section "Upgrade Windows Bare Metal"

      Stop Reactor Service Extract the zip, overwriting the reactor folder in c:\reactor\reactor There is no package-lock.json file so I skip that. Run "npm install --no-save --omit dev"

      Next step is to start the service. I start the service and it immediately stops. "Windows could not start the Reactor service on Local Computer. Error 1067: The process terminated unexpectedly".

      Tried rebooting, service won't stay running.

      I suspect I'm missing something, it's probably obvious but I've not been able to figure it out.

      I rolled back the reactor folder version (Windows Shadow copies) and then the service starts fine.

      Anyone else running Windows and know what I'm missing?

      Tail of log file from running OK version, before upgrade attempt [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.081Z <Rule:INFO> Lounge Billy Ambient Lighting - Turn On (Rule#rule-l0ki453b) evaluation complete [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.082Z <httpapi:NOTICE> HTTP API v1 22021 base URL http://172.16.128.6:8111; listening [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.228Z <app:NOTICE> HTTP server running; registering proxy endpoints. [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.228Z <app:NOTICE> Starting WSAPI... [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.229Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: starting version 21334 [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.656Z <Engine:INFO> [Engine]Engine#1 master timer tick, local time "6/2/2022, 8:20:19 AM" (TZ offset 600 mins from UTC) [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:27:54.788Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:172.16.128.5 Tail of log file from failed to start after upgrade (is identical, ii.e. nothing has been appended to it) [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.081Z <Rule:INFO> Lounge Billy Ambient Lighting - Turn On (Rule#rule-l0ki453b) evaluation complete [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.082Z <httpapi:NOTICE> HTTP API v1 22021 base URL http://172.16.128.6:8111; listening [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.228Z <app:NOTICE> HTTP server running; registering proxy endpoints. [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.228Z <app:NOTICE> Starting WSAPI... [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.229Z <wsapi:NOTICE> wsapi: starting version 21334 [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:20:19.656Z <Engine:INFO> [Engine]Engine#1 master timer tick, local time "6/2/2022, 8:20:19 AM" (TZ offset 600 mins from UTC) [stable-22119]2022-06-01T22:27:54.788Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:172.16.128.5 reactor.wrapper.log (log file the failed to start event points to) 2022-06-02 08:19:23 - Stopping reactor.exe 2022-06-02 08:19:23 - ProcessKill 3628 2022-06-02 08:19:25 - Shutdown exception Message:A system shutdown is in progress. Stacktrace: at System.Runtime.InteropServices.Marshal.ThrowExceptionForHRInternal(Int32 errorCode, IntPtr errorInfo) at System.Management.ManagementScope.InitializeGuts(Object o) at System.Management.ManagementScope.Initialize() at System.Management.ManagementObjectSearcher.Initialize() at System.Management.ManagementObjectSearcher.Get() at winsw.WrapperService.GetChildPids(Int32 pid) at winsw.WrapperService.StopProcessAndChildren(Int32 pid) at winsw.WrapperService.StopIt() at winsw.WrapperService.OnShutdown() 2022-06-02 08:20:11 - Starting C:\Program Files\nodejs\node.exe C:\reactor\reactor\node_modules\node-windows\lib\wrapper.js --file C:\reactor\reactor\app.js --scriptoptions= --log "Reactor wrapper" --grow 0.25 --wait 1 --maxrestarts 3 --abortonerror n --stopparentfirst undefined 2022-06-02 08:20:11 - Started 3272 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Stopping reactor.exe 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - ProcessKill 3272 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Found child process: 3280 Name: conhost.exe 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Found child process: 3504 Name: node.exe 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Stopping process 3280 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Send SIGINT 3280 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - SIGINT to 3280 failed - Killing as fallback 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Stopping process 3504 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Send SIGINT 3504 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - SIGINT to 3504 failed - Killing as fallback 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Stopping process 3272 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Send SIGINT 3272 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - SIGINT to 3272 failed - Killing as fallback 2022-06-02 08:30:54 - Finished reactor.exe 2022-06-02 08:33:41 - Starting C:\Program Files\nodejs\node.exe C:\reactor\reactor\node_modules\node-windows\lib\wrapper.js --file C:\reactor\reactor\app.js --scriptoptions= --log "Reactor wrapper" --grow 0.25 --wait 1 --maxrestarts 3 --abortonerror n --stopparentfirst undefined 2022-06-02 08:33:41 - Started 4184 2022-06-02 08:36:57 - Starting C:\Program Files\nodejs\node.exe C:\reactor\reactor\node_modules\node-windows\lib\wrapper.js --file C:\reactor\reactor\app.js --scriptoptions= --log "Reactor wrapper" --grow 0.25 --wait 1 --maxrestarts 3 --abortonerror n --stopparentfirst undefined 2022-06-02 08:36:57 - Started 3100 Windows event log event: Child process [4184 - C:\Program Files\nodejs\node.exe C:\reactor\reactor\node_modules\node-windows\lib\wrapper.js --file C:\reactor\reactor\app.js --scriptoptions= --log "Reactor wrapper" --grow 0.25 --wait 1 --maxrestarts 3 --abortonerror n --stopparentfirst undefined] finished with 1
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    • [Solved] suninfo.period "night" and rule trigger for sunset are at different times

      Crille

      I'm just curious, what's the difference between suninfo.period changing from "day" to "night" vs "after sunset" with no offset?
      suninfo.period changes to "night" 7 minutes and 33 seconds before "after sunset" is triggered in my latest-22149 bare metal setup.

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    • Status page rule history length.

      MikeReadington

      Hello Patrick,

      On the status page rule history is there any adjustably on length of the history shown? I had an occasion where it would have been helpful to go a few notches farther back than it does as currently configured.

      I don't know if this is a log parser or if it is a separate smaller data set. If it is a log parser, any chance for maybe something like a "more" button?

      Thanks,
      Mike

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    • [Solved] New device on Ezlo is not added in Reactor

      Crille

      I can't find any posts or reference in docs for this log message

      <EzloController:NOTICE> EzloController#ezlo received notice of new device, but auto-rediscover is OFF; ignoring

      I've restarted MSR and hard refreshed browser but the new entity is not added. Can I set auto-rediscover to ON or how do I get the new device added into Reactor?

      Edit:
      Bare metal latest-22142
      The device is a Xiaomi Mini Switch, it's publishing correct values in ezmqtt.

      Edit 2: The Xiaomi Aqara Mini Switch is now mapped in build 22149.

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    • Disk Warning on Multisystem Reactor

      S

      334ccd7a-9499-4dea-8a4a-2347609dce62-image.png

      For the life of me I cannot figure this out.
      when I run the du -hs command (from the host) for the mapped volume I get 25M
      (/home/seth/ReactorConfig maps to /var/reactor)

      Inside the container I ran du -hs for each of the folders that the ui is complaining about
      /opt/reactor = 71.2M
      /var/reactor/storage = 2.9M
      /var/reactor/logs = 17.6M

      If I run df on the docker container I get this. Disk space is not critical
      1f5d230c-0792-468b-b3b7-9f45e31581c5-image.png

      What gives?

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    Telegram & MSR 1.0.0

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    • tunnus
      tunnus last edited by tunnus

      With RfV I used to have this kind of Telegram notification:

      {"Temperature " .. OutTemp .. " °C"}
      

      And it worked fine. Now with MSR similarly:

      ${{ "Temperature " + OutTemp + " °C" }}
      

      ...and the message does not come through

      Logs:

      2021-08-09T14:54:02.213Z <Engine:ERR> NotifyTelegram failure response text: {"ok":false,"error_code":400,"description":"Bad Request: can't parse entities: Character '.' is reserved and must be escaped with the preceding '\\'"}
      

      This is because temp value (here 20.2) contains decimals and therefore ".". Can't really escape that as it is within the variable. Workaround would be to round the value before sending, but even better if this could be fixed?

      Using Markdown or MarkdownV2 does not make a difference.

      Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), InfluxDB & Grafana, VeraPlus (7.32), Netatmo, dataMine2, Sonos

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      • toggledbits
        toggledbits last edited by

        Seems like something else. A simple test sending a fixed string with a "." in it does not throw an error. Can you screenshot and paste the entire action as you've defined it?

        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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        • MikeReadington
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          • MikeReadington
            MikeReadington @tunnus last edited by

            @tunnus was looking on my phone and missed you already thought about round.

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            • toggledbits
              toggledbits last edited by toggledbits

              Ah, I see. Well, if you're using Markdown form for Telegram, you have to provide a properly formatted Markdown string, which would include escaping any such characters. No different than using HTML format; if you provide invalid HTML, I would not expect it to work, nor would I expect the notifier to detect and correct it.

                  ${{ replace( "Temperature " + OutTemp + " °C", ".", "\\." ) }}
              

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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              • tunnus
                tunnus @toggledbits last edited by

                @toggledbits Didn't matter before your advice, so I didn't include the whole string earlier:

                ${{ replace( "ℹ️heater activated \\(" + HeaterWatts + " W\\), 🌡️ out: " + OutTemp + " °C", ".", "\\." ) }}
                

                End result is the same, works if temp value is without decimals (e.g. 20), but if it has decimals (e.g. 20.5) then not. Also above substitution has a side effect that it changes "info" emoji to just "."

                For some reason with RfV, the same worked without escaping anything (brackets or dots inside values)?

                Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), InfluxDB & Grafana, VeraPlus (7.32), Netatmo, dataMine2, Sonos

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                • toggledbits
                  toggledbits last edited by toggledbits

                  Shoot. Forgot that "." is also a special character for replace(). Here's a more complete solution all around:

                  ${{ replace( "I have all [the] {special} _characters_! This. That~ and the {other} # + =", "([._\\*\[\]\\{\\}~`>#+=|\\{\\}!-])", "\\$1", "g" ) }}
                  

                  Edit: The forum is not being consistent in its display of the escapes. It's right in the editor and preview but incorrect when submitted/displayed in the thread. Here's a graphic of what it should look like:

                  39799ce2-0209-4d98-84ab-78fd1f1e3d3a-image.png

                  Note that every backslash in the string must be doubled.

                  Edit 2: Here's a version that displays correctly here in any case:

                  ${{ replace( inputString, "([!#*+\x2d.=>\x5b\x5c\x5d_`\x7b|\x7d~])", "\\$1", "g" ) }}
                  

                  Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                  • toggledbits
                    toggledbits @tunnus last edited by toggledbits

                    @tunnus said in Telegram & MSR 1.0.0:

                    For some reason with RfV, the same worked without escaping anything (brackets or dots inside values)?

                    R4V does not interface with Telegram's API directly, the Telegram plugin must be installed, and it handles their API.

                    Maybe it's just using plain text? Why are you using Markdown format, anyway? There's no markdown formatting in your text, and your string works fine (with icons/emojis) in plain text formatting mode.

                    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                    • tunnus
                      tunnus @toggledbits last edited by tunnus

                      @toggledbits Valid question, I guess because @therealdb recommended Markdown-formatting originally and those early plugin builds defaulted to Markdown and it worked 🙂

                      I'll try plain text and see what happens.

                      EDIT: plain text seems to work nicely! A minor wish though, if default parsing would happen to be something else than plain text, could you add option in the GUI for it (message format drop-down)? Also MarkdownV2 is missing from that list.

                      Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), InfluxDB & Grafana, VeraPlus (7.32), Netatmo, dataMine2, Sonos

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                      • toggledbits
                        toggledbits last edited by toggledbits

                        If the old Telegram plugin on Vera is escaping those special characters, I wonder how it distinguishes between the use of a special character as part of the text and the use of special character for Markdown. For example, if you want your displayed message to contain the word "emphasis" in italics (e.g. emphasis), you would format that as _emphasis_ in Markdown. But if the plugin is escaping the special characters, you will instead see "_emphasis_" (underscores visible, no italics) because the underscores are being escaped by the plugin and won't be treated as formatting. That would be less flexible/useful, and in fact, it would almost make Markdown and plain text equivalent in that plugin, because it would prevent you from using any Markdown formatting that involves one of those special characters. I don't know, I don't use it on Vera. As I said, if you want to use Telegram with MSR, you have to format the message correctly for the parser (formatter) being used.

                        Markdown V2 is the only format of Markdown MSR supports, so "Markdown" means "MarkdownV2". The default parsing format is set by the config default_parse_mode. In a default configuration, that value will be blank, so the default will be plain text.

                        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                        • therealdb
                          therealdb @tunnus last edited by

                          @tunnus I honestly don’t remember when/why I’ve said that, but I’ve looked at the code and it’s simply url encoding, not replacing or escaping the text. I’ve defaulted to markdown because it’s easier to format, but you could switch to plaintext or markdownv2 very easily. There’s a note in the readme recommending the escape before sending the message, but I don’t remember when I’ve added it.

                          --
                          Vera+MQTT+HomeAssistant+my own framework all orchestrated via MSR
                          70+ Zwave Devices, a bunch of ZigBee light strips and a lot of code

                          My Luup Plug-ins => https://github.com/dbochicchio/vera

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                          • tunnus
                            tunnus @toggledbits last edited by

                            @toggledbits btw, how can you reference a local variable in e.g. telegram notification?

                            ${{ "power " + LightWatts + " W" }}
                            

                            Screenshot 2021-08-11 at 15.04.31.png

                            LightWatts belongs to a rule called "Testbed variables" as shown above.

                            Lastly, a feature request: as for variables shown in the screenshot above and as implemented in RfV, it would be more clear if also rule state conditions would include the rule set name. Maybe images below help understanding what I'm after:

                            MSR now:
                            Screenshot 2021-08-11 at 15.10.25.png

                            RfV:
                            Screenshot 2021-08-11 at 15.12.06.png

                            Using MSR on Docker (Synology NAS), InfluxDB & Grafana, VeraPlus (7.32), Netatmo, dataMine2, Sonos

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                            • toggledbits
                              toggledbits last edited by toggledbits

                              You can't reference a variable that belongs to another rule in an expression. That's what global variables are for. They are accessible to all rule/expressions.

                              This raises an interesting incongruity. As currently implemented, the Variable Value condition will allow you to reference a variable in another rule. This should have never been. It breaks the encapsulation/scope of rules. It can lead to problems because there is no guaranteed order of rule evaluation when multiple rules are triggered at the same instant, so it could lead to a situation where a variable is used in Rule B before a new value is computed by Rule A. I think, the ability to select variables that are not local to the current rule or global is on the chopping block today.

                              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                              • cw-kid
                                cw-kid @toggledbits last edited by cw-kid

                                @toggledbits said in Telegram & MSR 1.0.0:

                                Variable Value condition will allow you to reference a variable in another rule. This should have never been.

                                I think, the ability to select variables that are not local to the current rule or global is on the chopping block today

                                I have some rules that look at the value of a variable from another rule. The variable is not a global one currently.

                                So this change will likely be a breaking change? And I will need to redo some of my rules and use Global Variables instead.

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                                • toggledbits
                                  toggledbits last edited by

                                  Yes, it would be a breaking change. I can allow any rules currently using that approach work during a deprecation period, but not allow new conditions to be created with that approach. So your rules would not screech to a halt on the upgrade, you'd have some time to find and fix them.

                                  Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                  • cw-kid
                                    cw-kid @toggledbits last edited by

                                    @toggledbits

                                    OK thanks for the heads up. Some of those PS4 rules I setup recently will need changing then and maybe some others. I will have to have a look at them again.

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                                    • cw-kid
                                      cw-kid @toggledbits last edited by cw-kid

                                      @toggledbits

                                      Can a Global Expression read a local variable in a ruleset ?

                                      I think the answer to this is no, I've just tried it and got an error.

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                                      • toggledbits
                                        toggledbits last edited by

                                        No, that's out of scope.

                                        Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                        • toggledbits
                                          toggledbits last edited by

                                          Don't go too far with it just yet. I'm just considering the change. I need time to consider its full impact. The status quo can also be justified, and not be sacrificed on the altar of "purity".

                                          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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                                          • cw-kid
                                            cw-kid last edited by

                                            I only had two rules that would of been affected by this change. I have moved all those PS4 related expressions out to be global expressions now instead and the one other rule that was using one of those expressions as its trigger, I've edited to use the new global expression instead. None of my other rules I don't think were using a local expression from another rule.

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