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Stop the MSR by an external switch on Hubitat.
wmarcolinW
Use case: When performing home maintenance, such as air conditioning, I want all rules involving air conditioning to be disabled. To do this, to day, I have a virtual switch that I placed within all rules involving air conditioning, meaning that if I turn it off, none of them work. Then another situation: the water pump system and garden irrigation, another switch. In short, I had to create several virtual switches in Hubitat to disable rules in MSR. Unfortunately, however, I was unable to cover all scenarios, so I wondered if it would be possible for MSR to support a virtual MSR switch, which, when configured in the reactor settings, would function as a general on/off switch for MSR. If it is configured and turned off, the entire rules and actions in MSR stops working, except for the status change reading process, specifically for this switch, which, when turned on, would restart the MSR. Would it be possible to do something like this? Any recommendations from the experts?
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[Reactor] Help with screne controller cycling logic
therealdbT
I’ve added a couple of Shelly Wave i4 as scene controllers and I’m planning to add more, since I can just use standard buttons instead of battery-powered scene controllers, which also looks better aesthetically. That said, I’m struggling to figure out how to write a simple rule that cycles between states every time I press a button. Example: Light 1 ON → OFF, then Light 2 ON → OFF. The part I can’t get right is handling the case where Light 1 or Light 2 might already be ON independently of the rule. Maybe it’s just too much sun and relaxation clouding my brain, but any hint would be appreciated.
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[Reactor] Variables not updating correctly in latest-25201-2aa18550
therealdbT
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Expose MSR entities
CatmanV2C
Probably a really dumb question. Currently I am using the owntracks_sensor for tracking phones being in region in MSR and it works great. Digging around with Home Assistant and toying with some dashboards, is there any way of exposing that sensor to HA trivially? I could set MSR to trip a virtual switch in OpenLuup which can then be exposed to HA (with all my other Vera devices) but that feels a bit in-elegant if I can do it directly. Any thoughts? Apologies if the ask is not clear/ TIA C
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Comment in Globa Expressions
Tom_DT
I have several Global Expressions that are set by a rule so the definition area is blank. I'd like to add a comment in this area that explains what is setting the value. Commenting in this area breaks the remote setting. Any way to document what is setting the GE?
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Little Bobby tables...
CatmanV2C
...is back.... https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/08/researchers-use-calendar-events-to-hack-gemini-control-smart-home-gadgets/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhfacebook&utm_content=null&fbclid=IwY2xjawMBq-pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlSqIalzbz1IxcJFzlw8GBE6nC3FwvxcHgR370nJhogU6JjqbmRxG-lysqgh_aem_lx9XboYFKw9tpHnedGQKUA C
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Home Assistant Voice TTS is Easy
toggledbitsT
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Play Audio through Home Assistant Voice Unit
toggledbitsT
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Home Assistant
Home Assistant Voice
CatmanV2C
Has anyone had a play with the local voice control for HA? I've got one on order because... https://www.home-assistant.io/voice-pe/ C
Home Assistant
Unofficial thread for compatibility
tunnusT
As there are statements about compatibility for home assistant versions in MSR new version announcements (e.g. "HassController: Bless Hass to 2025.7.3"), I thought it would be good idea to track other controllers as well. As an example, I can confirm that build "latest-25208-c53e8513" works with Hubitat Elevation C-8 platform version 2.4.2.134 using Maker API.
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Gradually turn on lights.
Tom_DT
I have several lights that I would like to turn on very gradually over 15 or 20 seconds. from 0 to .25 in .01 increments. I have tried a few things that came nowhere near working, so here I am.
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Can't customize home page
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I foolishly let my system wipe all cookies this morning and with it my settings for my MSR home page. Once logged back in I can no longer remove errant panes nor is the + available to add new ones. Brave Browser v1.80.122 (Jul 16, 2025) What have I done?! Will check other browsers on my M1. UPDATE: Safari exhibits same behaviour. I've tried both sans last-four public key entry and with - no change.
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Error After Upgrade
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Reset attribute value of entity in event handler
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Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
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Way to search for rules (rule state) in other rules
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@toggledbits, not sure if this is a feature request or I'm using the search tool wrong. You have a "Search for rule" in the Rules Set tab in MSR. It works nicely to find a rule and bring up said rule, but can it/could it be used for as a "where used?" global search? For instance, I have a fairly large set of rules, divided up into 10 different rulesets. There's easily a hundred individual rules, and many of the rules have Rule State triggers, which of course refer to other rules. Amongst my troubleshooting today, I came across what may have been a duplicate or troubleshooting attempt, but I can't tell if it's actually used as a Rule State in another rule without opening each rule that I suspect it may be a part of. Thanks.
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Links to MSR from HA
Tom_DT
I am using Home Assistant a lot recently. On a dashboard showing the devices, I would like to show a link to the MSR rule that controls the devices. Is there a way to link directly into MSR?
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Set Reaction > Script Action
wmarcolinW
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Wiring Samotech SM308-S into light fitting
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Hi Smart Home Community. I have used a Sonos inline WiFi switch to make one of my light fittings smart, but it requires a hard reset for WiFi changes, plus it isn't zigbee compatible, which means I can't use the Hue app to control it with the rest of the lights. To that end I bought a Samotech SM308-S as it is recommended as the better than the Sonos equivalent. I am however not exactly sure how to wire it in. The manual is available here Can anyone help me by clarifying which ports I need to use, and whether I should be using the live or switched live line for live etc. I will be keeping using standard switches for a while, although hope to upgrade to tap dials once I have all the fittings upgraded. Thanks
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  • Home Assistant Voice
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits I'm watching all of this play out for now. "Leading edge vs bleeding edge" atm.

    I'm very encouraged to see this doing as well in testing as it is. Anything to get me able to move off of non-privacy/non-cloud Echo devices is def getting my attention.

    Home Assistant

  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits appreciate the quick turnaround on this. It def caught me off-guard.

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits Yahtzee! That did it.

    So I... wasn't... crazy?

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits missed this last night - will do so this afternoon and advise.

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits hosting in Portainer. Says 90f92c5b-34c0-4a96-a22c-ece61282e5b2-image.png

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits I see the "Placing widget at"

    UI TIME CHECK: Browser 2025-07-20T22:50:33.935Z offset -240 ; host 2025-07-20T22:50:33.933Z offset(mins) -240 ; diff(ms) 2
    reactor-ui-status.js:226 Placing widget-adder at 8
    reactor-ui-status.js:913 saveGridLayout()
    reactor-ui-status.js:924 SAVE DATA Array(4)
    reactor-ui-status.js:928 Fixup widget widget3 at x/y 0 0 w/h 8 2
    reactor-ui-status.js:928 Fixup widget widget0 at x/y 8 0 w/h 3 2
    reactor-ui-status.js:928 Fixup widget widget1 at x/y 0 2 w/h 6 2
    reactor-ui-status.js:928 Fixup widget widget2 at x/y 6 2 w/h 6 2
    

    Would a .har contain all of this?

    Just to show I'm not entirely crazy here...

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits the only thing it calls out is:

    No label associated with a form field
    A <label> isn't associated with a form field.

    To fix this issue, nest the <input> in the <label> or provide a for attribute on the <label> that matches a form field id.

    1 resource
    Violating node

    Clicking the "Affected resource/violating node" nets me:

    <label id="ep-filter-label" class="form-label mt-1 pe-1">Filters:</label>
    
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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    @toggledbits I'd just now finished doing first a hard refresh and then just killing the browser completely and restarting.

    Nada.

    Did the "Clear Local Storage" and hard refresh and saw the one change I'd made was gone. The issue, however, persists.

    I know Brave just updated in the last day or two...

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    Interestingly, this is still fine on my Intel Mac (though I've not cleared the cookies there and won't at this point).

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  • Can't customize home page
    G gwp1

    I foolishly let my system wipe all cookies this morning and with it my settings for my MSR home page.

    Once logged back in I can no longer remove errant panes nor is the + available to add new ones.

    Brave Browser v1.80.122 (Jul 16, 2025)

    What have I done?!

    Will check other browsers on my M1.
    UPDATE: Safari exhibits same behaviour.
    I've tried both sans last-four public key entry and with - no change.

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  • Home Assistant Voice
    G gwp1

    @CatmanV2 not yet - I'm letting other kinds go in the pool first.

    Home Assistant

  • Gradually turn on lights.
    G gwp1

    @vezinpi mine is as such:

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    Here's the rule's Set Reaction that pulls this in.

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    I also have another group under this same rule's Set Reaction for Evenings.

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    Everything I've seen shows this as working as intended. Only rises to 30% in the mornings, 80% at night. Only the mornings get the slow roll ramp up.

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  • Gradually turn on lights.
    G gwp1

    @vezinpi can you share screenshots of the rules?

    I implemented this and it appears to be working fine (though I want to do some fine tuning).

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  • Gradually turn on lights.
    G gwp1

    @Tom_D I've implemented this as it's much slicker than what I'd been previously doing. Of course, now with longer days and Daylight Saving Time in full effect it doesn't get called on very much so I can't confirm success lol

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  • Error After Upgrade
    G gwp1

    @tbully thanks for putting a smile on my face today. Much needed. Much appreciated.

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  • Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
    G gwp1

    @therealdb I use those as well. As you see in my AWAY rule there's a catch there using a virtual switch for my calendar integration. If a calendar entry has a specific keyword it turns the switch on. If the switch is on, AWAY knows not to fire.... VACA has it covered.

    @toggledbits beat me to it: comments, comments, comments. I've lost too many years off my life trying to remember why this rule does what it does and how.

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  • Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
    G gwp1

    @tamorgen said in Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction:

    Thanks to @gwp1 for reminding me to keep it simple

    The thanks goes to @toggledbits who has long endured my questions on things only to have him say "wow... pare this down to smaller bits". Essentially, don't try to do things with "one big beautiful ruleset". 😁

    Multi-System Reactor

  • Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
    G gwp1

    @tamorgen said in Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction:

    In the new "Go to Away Mode" rule, I added a condition that the mode needs to "Phones Home" rule needs to be sustained for 60 seconds.

    Doesn't the result of that mean the system waits for someone to be home for 60 seconds before flipping mode to HOME?

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  • Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
    G gwp1

    @tamorgen You're falling into the same pitfalls I did. Notice my Mode SETs don't have resets. No need. The next appropriate rule SETs so there's no reason to reset. Any resets (like from GUEST back to AWAY or VACA) are done via their own SET rulesets.

    I don't want to reset... I want to move on to another Mode - even if that mode happens to be the last mode I was in. Make sense?

    One thing I have done: every time I change mode I write it to an expression called previous_mode. This let's me do things like "if the previous mode was AWAY, return to AWAY - but if the previous mode was VACA, return to VAC" -- again, these being sep SET rulesets and not RESETs.

    Every time I tried to make use of RESETs I got buried as I had too many "what ifs" in my Conditions.

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  • Need help figuring out how to delay a reset on reaction
    G gwp1

    @tamorgen reading thru this twice (and I may go back again and slow down even more) it sounds like there's no "link" between your rulesets. ie, the conditions for AWAY is being met even though the conditions for GUEST are, too.

    What does your AWAY ruleset look like?

    Here is my GUEST from AWAY ruleset (I don't have the luxury of surfacing the individual user code so I'm stuck being a bit more generic, ie "lock unlocked". As HOME requires my presence, this has been doing the trick.) My only issue: sometimes the lock is slow to report it's state so I've asked my authorized guests to enter their code, count to 10, the open the door. That let's Hubitat Safety Monitor to disarm.

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    Here is my Change to AWAY for comparison sake.

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    @toggledbits gave me very sound advise early on as I was prone to making my rulesets "do too much" in addition to waaaaaay overthinking/overcomplicating things.

    Instead of trying to make a ruleset that determines presence AND tries to set mode, just have it determine presence. Have one for your immediate family and one for your guests. Then use the TRUE FALSE state of them in your mode rules. (Saves you countless hours later, too, when you add/remove people from either presence ruleset.)

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