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HA and AI
CatmanV2C
Having hours of (actually quite fun) interaction with AI (Chat GPT) making up dashboards and sensors for HA. It's OK (well it's better than I am!) but it makes soooo many mistakes. Gets there in the end though, if you've half a clue (which I do half the time) C
Home Assistant
Self test
CatmanV2C
Having been messing around with some stuff I worked a way to self trigger some tests that I wanted to do on the HA <> MSR integration This got me wondering if there's an entity that changes state / is exposed when a configured controller goes off line? I can't see one but thought it might be hidden or something? Cheers C
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How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
cw-kidC
Hello I haven't updated my installation of MSR in a very long time. Its a bare metal Linux install currently on version 24366-3de60836 I see the latest version is now latest-26011-c621bbc7 I assume I cannot just jump from a very old version to the latest version? Or can I? Thanks
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Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
tunnusT
Using build 25328 and having the following users.yaml configuration: users: # This section defines your valid users. admin: ******* groups: # This section defines your user groups. Optionally, it defines application # and API access restrictions (ACLs) for the group. Users may belong to # more than one group. Again, no required or special groups here. admin_group: users: - admin applications: true # special form allows access to ALL applications guests: users: "*" applications: - dashboard api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin_group allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: true session: timeout: 7200 # (seconds) rolling: true # activity extends timeout when true # If log_acls is true, the selected ACL for every API access is logged. log_acls: true # If debug_acls is true, even more information about ACL selection is logged. debug_acls: true My goal is to allow anonymous user to dashboard, but MSR is still asking for a password when trying to access that. Nothing in the logs related to dashboard access. Probably an error in the configuration, but help needed to find that. Tried to put url: "/dashboard" under api_acls, but that was a long shot and didn't work.
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
S
I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Oddness in Copy/Move of Reactions
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[Solved] function isRuleEnabled() issue
CrilleC
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[Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
therealdbT
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Possible feature request 2?
CatmanV2C
Just another thought. Adding devices from my Home Assistant / Zigbee2MQTT integration. Works perfectly but they always add as their IEEE address. Some of these devices have up to 10 entities associated, and the moment they are renamed to something sensible, each of those entities 'ceases to exist' in MSR. I like things tidy, and deleting each defunct entity needs 3 clicks. Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option? No biggy as I've pretty much finished my Z-wave migration and I don't expect to be adding more than 2 new Zigbee devices Cheers C
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
CatmanV2C
Just for the record, in case anyone is following, I'm really rather impressed. I have installed one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6P22YJC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 That's connected (physically) to the VM running on my Synology, with a 2m USB extension. The same host also runs Openluup, Mosquito, HA Bridge. Yesterday I installed Zigbee2mqtt. That was a bit of a PITA but mostly because of ports and permissions. Once up and running, and the correct boxes ticked, immediately visible in Home Assistant via the MQTT integration, and thence into Reactor I've only got two devices. I bought the cheapest sensor I could find, which is a door sensor. Dead easy to add to ZIgbee2mqtt and again, immediately visible in HA. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FPQLWRW1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title The dongle is on the top floor of the house, and I wanted the sensor on the back door (just about as far apart as it's possible to get short of going into the garage) When I moved the sensor downstairs it dropped out pretty instantly (which wasn't a huge surprise) so quick bit of research found out that smart plugs will act as routers so... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FDQDPGBB?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title Took me about 30 seconds to connect. Updated the name. Instantly visible in Reactor with the new name pushed over from Zigbee2mqtt. And lo, the door sensor now has a signal of 140 and works as far as I can tell perfectly and instantly (unlike my z-wave one). A few more of those will be purchased and used to replace the Tuya wifi cloud devices and the (continually failing) Z-wave plugs (yeah, they were TKB so....) Commended to the house. Thanks for everyone that got me on the right lines. C
Zigbee
Copying a global reaction
tunnusT
With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
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[HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
therealdbT
If you’re like me and still running HABridge to control your devices locally via Alexa, you might need to tweak your endpoints to call Reactor via HTTP. Here’s the best way to do it, IMO: Insert the Reactor Canonical ID (e.g., zwavejs>71-1) into the MapID field, but make sure it’s URL-encoded like this: zwavejs%3E71-1. Then, configure these endpoints as needed: On: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.on Off: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.off Dim: For lights: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/dimming.set?level=${intensity.decimal_percent} For roller shutters: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/position.set?value=${intensity.decimal_percent} Color: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/rgb_color.set_rgb?red=${color.r}&green=${color.g}&blue=${color.b} Just replace [ReactorIP] with your actual IP address. By using these placeholders, you can standardize your endpoints across all devices, making maintenance easier. This setup works with any device mapped under MSR, regardless of the controller (ZWaveJS, Vera, HASS, OpenSprinkler, virtual, MQTT, DynamicEntities, etc.). If you need different calls, just go to the entities, get the action and parameters, and adjust accordingly. Enjoy super fast access to your devices via Alexa! If you're migrating from Vera, the endpoints are (URL-encoded) in a file called device.db, in JSON format, under your config. You'd write a script to align the new endpoints to the new one, if you prefer to do it automatically. YMMV.
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[Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
therealdbT
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Difficulty defining repeating annual period
R
I have tried numerous ways to define a recurring annual period, for example from December 15 to January 15. No matter which method I try - after and before, between, after and/not after, Reactor reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date. Some constructs also seem to cause Reactor to hang, timeout and restart. For example "before January 15 is evaluated as true, but reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date". Does anyone have a tried and true method to define a recurring annual period? I think the "between" that I used successfully in the past may have broken with one of the updates.
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Need help with sequence
T
Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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Possible feature request?
CatmanV2C
No idea how easy this would be. During my migration away from Z-wave I've been replacing the Z-wave devices with Sonoff which has broken some of my automations. Any chance of a 'Test Reaction' function to call out which ones are broken because an entity no longer exists? Without actually running the reaction? Or does this exist already and I'm just not aware of how to do it? Obviously I can see entities that are no longer available, but not quite what I'm looking for. I guess it's something of an edge case so no huge issue. TIA! C
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Logic Assistance: Exterior Lights on when Illuminance Below Threshold
PablaP
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Time series documentation
tunnusT
Is the current manual (incl. examples) up to date with how retention value is handled in time series configuration? Referring to this post
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  • Self test
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    sys_system.state for the Controller instance.

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  • How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    It should be fine. Take a backup of your storage directory in its entirety before the upgrade, along with config and any other directories where you may have customizations (perhaps also ext if you have add-in Controllers). Then go. Make sure you do a npm run deps in the install directory before starting the new version of Reactor, to upgrade package dependencies, or Reactor will likely not start. Post if you have any problems.

    Edit: Oh! And very important... make sure you are running nodejs version 18 or higher. If you have to upgrade, install a current LTS (Long-Term Support) version (either 22 or 24). Stick to even-numbered releases.

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  • Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Sorry, that's not possible in the current incarnation of access control... either everything is protected by user authentication (login), or its not. I use a trivial password on my guest account ("guest") to work around it.

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  • Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future.

    In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level.

    Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way.

    I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption.

    A few other things to know:

    • If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc.
    • Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy).
    • The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON.
    • You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach).
    • The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case.
    • This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change.

    This thread is open for any questions or concerns.

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  • [Solved] function isRuleEnabled() issue
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Please post a readable screen shot. I don't know what or how this one got posted, but it's tiny and low resolution and I can't see clearly what's in it.

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  • [Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Try 26011

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  • Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Reaction build 26011

    USERS OF AARCH64-tagged DOCKER IMAGES: Per this earlier post, this build will likely be the last with the aarch64 tag. Please follow the post's guidance for changing to one of the newer tags appropriate for your hardware and OS (32-bit armv7l or 64-bit arm64).

    • Reactions UI: Fix update of display after copy in-place.
    • Don't store reaction history entries for sub-reactions
    • VirtualEntityController: better consistency in time-series configuration; update documentation.
    • Fix an error in date display of time range conditions within certain parameters.
    • HassController: Bless HA to 2026.1.0

    This is a "silent" release (it is not advertised in the Status page of Reactor).

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  • Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Reactor build 25238

    • Rules/Date-Time: Fix a regression (in 25315) where a Date-Time between condition that crosses midnight may determine incorrect state if the Rule is reloaded (e.g. by editing it or a Reactor restart) in the period after midnight but before the end time.
    • Restarts on Win32 systems can now (finally) do a gradual, organized reload or shutdown.
    • HassController: Bless HA to 2025.11.3

    This is a "silent" release (it is not advertised in the Status page of Reactor)

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  • Possible feature request 2?
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    @CatmanV2 said in Possible feature request 2?:

    Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option?

    Each Controller instance implements sys_system.purge_dead_entities action.

    This is also automatic for the Controller implementations I provide for entities that are older than 24 hours when the controller connects/reconnects.

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  • Copying a global reaction
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Got it. Next build likely for this weekend.

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  • [HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    @CatmanV2 said in [HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor:

    (PS Cinema was occupied as the cat had just walked in there... )

    😹

    Actually, what's not there is equally telling. The HTTP request itself probably returned a (failed) result code, so however you made that request, that's the tool that will log that result. The possible HTTP results for that endpoint are:

    • 200: The request succeeded, which it did not, because the action itself would have caused more log info that we don't see here;
    • 400: The request failed because the action failed. This is not it either, because that is also logged on the Reactor side, and we don't see it here;
    • 404: The entity was not found. This isn't logged in Reactor, it's just a fast return.

    It's a 404, because you did not give it a canonical ID for the entity in the request URL. A canonical ID includes both the entity ID and it's parent controller's iD — different controllers can have an entity with the same ID, so you have to specify which controller's entity you are targeting. Canoncal IDs take the form controller-id>entity-id (note > between the two parts). The absence of this also explains why the URL encoder didn't make any changes, because that > must be escaped.

    So for troubleshooting API calls, remember, if it doesn't work, look at the Reactor log for messages; if nothing is logged on the Reactor side, look at the logs/messages for the tool that made the request to Reactor.

    Ref: API docs

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  • [HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Sigh. People, let's make 2026 the year we stop posting one line from the logs. Almost everything we have in the logs requires context. Posting it up-front increases the chances that, if you haven't already figured it out yourself from what's there, someone else can without further back-and-forth in the thread.

    Odds are, there's a bunch of interesting stuff following the line you posted, @CatmanV2 that tells how the system is responding to the HTTP request. Let's have a look at it!

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  • [Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    Yeah, I think the underlying package has some kind of half-check somewhere, like if (payload) { ... } to see if a payload is being sent, and that would fail for boolean false and other falsy values, but it doesn't matter, I don't assume the proper conversion below me, and I missed it on the exception case in that action, so there's good permanent fix (for the code... my brain, maybe not so much).

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  • [Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    All messages and payloads are text. You literally cannot send a boolean as a payload in MQTT. You have to convert all other types to a text representation.

    That said, I will look into why MQTTController isn't doing it automatically for this action. It should.

    Sorry for the reply delay... I was at a training event for a week.

    Edit/Update: found it. The x_mqtt.publish action is handled specially, and that code was missing the default case that would catch and convert non-string/non-object types. The underlying package handles other primitives like Number, but apparently not Booleans. Give me a day or two to settle back in and publish an updated MQTTController.

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  • Time series documentation
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    In the version you are using, it is still required; that's the docs leading the released code by a step (sorry). The version you are using also doesn't enforce limits well, so it allows values that could produce no result, or store more data than needed.

    For example, given your retention of 60 and interval of 5, there would be r/i+1 = 13 samples in the series. But if you specify depth of 2, then only the most recent 2d-1 = 3 samples are considered... the other 10 samples don't contribute to the result value. A depth of 7 would be the best match for the given interval and retention (just mathematically, ignoring your semantic goals).

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  • Time series documentation
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    The previous post shows depth as null or not provided. Please specify both depth and retention, restart and wait at least one full interval, then copy-paste the attributes if a value hasn't been calculated.

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  • Time series documentation
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    @tunnus OK. Let's start here: copy-paste the device attributes for that VEC entity (remember to use fenced code block formatting when pasting in reply).

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  • Time series documentation
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    You have to wait for the time series to fill before acceleration can be computed. depth is used in the calculation, as well as retention... that's a peculiarity of this aggregate (accel). There need to be at least 2*depth-1 samples collected before the calculation can occur.

    I have updated the documentation in the online version just yesterday, so check here.

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  • Reset a delay
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    @gwp1 said in Reset a delay:

    This is where @toggledbits says "wow, that's over-complicated --- try this instead" because he usually does and is usually right LOL. (I tend to overthink/overcomplicate my automations....)

    ROFL! Actually, your response is dead-nuts right for both the consequence of @CatmanV2 's approach and what he needs to do to get what he wants. The only critique I have is that the first image is a bit daunting to look at, with all the extra conditions. But overall, as they say: This is the way...

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  • Reset a delay
    toggledbitsT toggledbits

    @CatmanV2 foul ball. Not showing your work. Can't guide you properly here. What you are asking is actually default behavior, so either you've done something odd, or there's a bug. Either way, can't tell unless you post your work.

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