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HA and AI
CatmanV2C
Having hours of (actually quite fun) interaction with AI (Chat GPT) making up dashboards and sensors for HA. It's OK (well it's better than I am!) but it makes soooo many mistakes. Gets there in the end though, if you've half a clue (which I do half the time) C
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How to upgrade from an old version of MSR?
cw-kidC
Hello I haven't updated my installation of MSR in a very long time. Its a bare metal Linux install currently on version 24366-3de60836 I see the latest version is now latest-26011-c621bbc7 I assume I cannot just jump from a very old version to the latest version? Or can I? Thanks
Multi-System Reactor
Access control - allowing anonymous user to dashboard
tunnusT
Using build 25328 and having the following users.yaml configuration: users: # This section defines your valid users. admin: ******* groups: # This section defines your user groups. Optionally, it defines application # and API access restrictions (ACLs) for the group. Users may belong to # more than one group. Again, no required or special groups here. admin_group: users: - admin applications: true # special form allows access to ALL applications guests: users: "*" applications: - dashboard api_acls: # This ACL allows users in the "admin" group to access the API - url: "/api" group: admin_group allow: true log: true # This ACL allows anyone/thing to access the /api/v1/alive API endpoint - url: "/api/v1/alive" allow: true session: timeout: 7200 # (seconds) rolling: true # activity extends timeout when true # If log_acls is true, the selected ACL for every API access is logged. log_acls: true # If debug_acls is true, even more information about ACL selection is logged. debug_acls: true My goal is to allow anonymous user to dashboard, but MSR is still asking for a password when trying to access that. Nothing in the logs related to dashboard access. Probably an error in the configuration, but help needed to find that. Tried to put url: "/dashboard" under api_acls, but that was a long shot and didn't work.
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VEC Virtual Switch Auto Off
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I use Virtual Entity Controller virtual switches which I turn on via webhooks from other applications. Once a switch triggers and turns on, I can then activate associated rules. I would like each virtual switch to automatically turn off after a configurable time (e.g., 5 seconds, 10 seconds). Is there a better way to achieve this auto-off behavior instead of creating a separate rule for each switch that uses the 'Condition must be sustained for' option to turn it off? With a large number of these switches (and the associated turn-off rules), I'm checking to see if there is a simpler approach.If not, could this be a feature request to add an auto-off timer directly to the virtual switches. Thanks Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-26011-c621bbc7 VirtualEntityController v25356 Synology Docker
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Upcoming Storage Change -- Got Back-ups?
toggledbitsT
TL;DR: Format of data in storage directory will soon change. Make sure you are backing up the contents of that directory in its entirety, and you preserve your backups for an extended period, particularly the backup you take right before upgrading to the build containing this change (date of that is still to be determined, but soon). The old data format will remain readable (so you'll be able to read your pre-change backups) for the foreseeable future. In support of a number of other changes in the works, I have found it necessary to change the storage format for Reactor objects in storage at the physical level. Until now, plain, standard JSON has been used to store the data (everything under the storage directory). This has served well, but has a few limitations, including no real support for native JavaScript objects like Date, Map, Set, and others. It also is unable to store data that contains "loops" — objects that reference themselves in some way. I'm not sure exactly when, but in the not-too-distant future I will publish a build using the new data format. It will automatically convert existing JSON data to the new format. For the moment, it will save data in both the new format and the old JSON format, preferring the former when loading data from storage. I have been running my own home with this new format for several months, and have no issues with data loss or corruption. A few other things to know: If you are not already backing up your storage directory, you should be. At a minimum, back this directory up every time you make big changes to your Rules, Reactions, etc. Your existing JSON-format backups will continue to be readable for the long-term (years). The code that loads data from these files looks for the new file format first (which will have a .dval suffix), and if not found, will happily read (and convert) a same-basenamed .json file (i.e. it looks for ruleid.dval first, and if it doesn't find it, it tries to load ruleid.json). I'll publish detailed instructions for restoring from old backups when the build is posted (it's easy). The new .dval files are not directly human-readable or editable as easily as the old .json files. A new utility will be provided in the tools directory to convert .dval data to .json format, which you can then read or edit if you find that necessary. However, that may not work for all future data, as my intent is to make more native JavaScript objects directly storable, and many of those objects cannot be stored in JSON. You may need to modify your backup tools/scripts to pick up the new files: if you explicitly name .json files (rather than just specifying the entire storage directory) in your backup configuration, you will need to add .dval files to get a complete, accurate backup. I don't think this will be an issue for any of you; I imagine that you're all just backing up the entire contents of storage regardless of format/name, that is the safest (and IMO most correct) way to go (if that's not what you're doing, consider changing your approach). The current code stores the data in both the .dval form and the .json form to hedge against any real-world problems I don't encounter in my own use. Some future build will drop this redundancy (i.e. save only to .dval form). However, the read code for the .json form will remain in any case. This applies only to persistent storage that Reactor creates and controls under the storage tree. All other JSON data files (e.g. device data for Controllers) are unaffected by this change and will remain in that form. YAML files are also unaffected by this change. This thread is open for any questions or concerns.
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Oddness in Copy/Move of Reactions
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[Solved] function isRuleEnabled() issue
CrilleC
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[Reactor] Problem with Global Reactions and groups
therealdbT
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Possible feature request 2?
CatmanV2C
Just another thought. Adding devices from my Home Assistant / Zigbee2MQTT integration. Works perfectly but they always add as their IEEE address. Some of these devices have up to 10 entities associated, and the moment they are renamed to something sensible, each of those entities 'ceases to exist' in MSR. I like things tidy, and deleting each defunct entity needs 3 clicks. Any chance of a 'bulk delete' option? No biggy as I've pretty much finished my Z-wave migration and I don't expect to be adding more than 2 new Zigbee devices Cheers C
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Genuinely impressed with Zigbee and HA / Reactor
CatmanV2C
Just for the record, in case anyone is following, I'm really rather impressed. I have installed one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B6P22YJC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 That's connected (physically) to the VM running on my Synology, with a 2m USB extension. The same host also runs Openluup, Mosquito, HA Bridge. Yesterday I installed Zigbee2mqtt. That was a bit of a PITA but mostly because of ports and permissions. Once up and running, and the correct boxes ticked, immediately visible in Home Assistant via the MQTT integration, and thence into Reactor I've only got two devices. I bought the cheapest sensor I could find, which is a door sensor. Dead easy to add to ZIgbee2mqtt and again, immediately visible in HA. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FPQLWRW1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title The dongle is on the top floor of the house, and I wanted the sensor on the back door (just about as far apart as it's possible to get short of going into the garage) When I moved the sensor downstairs it dropped out pretty instantly (which wasn't a huge surprise) so quick bit of research found out that smart plugs will act as routers so... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FDQDPGBB?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title Took me about 30 seconds to connect. Updated the name. Instantly visible in Reactor with the new name pushed over from Zigbee2mqtt. And lo, the door sensor now has a signal of 140 and works as far as I can tell perfectly and instantly (unlike my z-wave one). A few more of those will be purchased and used to replace the Tuya wifi cloud devices and the (continually failing) Z-wave plugs (yeah, they were TKB so....) Commended to the house. Thanks for everyone that got me on the right lines. C
Zigbee
Copying a global reaction
tunnusT
With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
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[HowTo] Using HABridge with Reactor
therealdbT
If you’re like me and still running HABridge to control your devices locally via Alexa, you might need to tweak your endpoints to call Reactor via HTTP. Here’s the best way to do it, IMO: Insert the Reactor Canonical ID (e.g., zwavejs>71-1) into the MapID field, but make sure it’s URL-encoded like this: zwavejs%3E71-1. Then, configure these endpoints as needed: On: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.on Off: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/power_switch.off Dim: For lights: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/dimming.set?level=${intensity.decimal_percent} For roller shutters: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/position.set?value=${intensity.decimal_percent} Color: http://[ReactorIP]:8111/api/v1/entity/${device.mapId}/perform/rgb_color.set_rgb?red=${color.r}&green=${color.g}&blue=${color.b} Just replace [ReactorIP] with your actual IP address. By using these placeholders, you can standardize your endpoints across all devices, making maintenance easier. This setup works with any device mapped under MSR, regardless of the controller (ZWaveJS, Vera, HASS, OpenSprinkler, virtual, MQTT, DynamicEntities, etc.). If you need different calls, just go to the entities, get the action and parameters, and adjust accordingly. Enjoy super fast access to your devices via Alexa! If you're migrating from Vera, the endpoints are (URL-encoded) in a file called device.db, in JSON format, under your config. You'd write a script to align the new endpoints to the new one, if you prefer to do it automatically. YMMV.
How-To
[Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
therealdbT
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Difficulty defining repeating annual period
R
I have tried numerous ways to define a recurring annual period, for example from December 15 to January 15. No matter which method I try - after and before, between, after and/not after, Reactor reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date. Some constructs also seem to cause Reactor to hang, timeout and restart. For example "before January 15 is evaluated as true, but reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date". Does anyone have a tried and true method to define a recurring annual period? I think the "between" that I used successfully in the past may have broken with one of the updates.
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Need help with sequence
T
Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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Possible feature request?
CatmanV2C
No idea how easy this would be. During my migration away from Z-wave I've been replacing the Z-wave devices with Sonoff which has broken some of my automations. Any chance of a 'Test Reaction' function to call out which ones are broken because an entity no longer exists? Without actually running the reaction? Or does this exist already and I'm just not aware of how to do it? Obviously I can see entities that are no longer available, but not quite what I'm looking for. I guess it's something of an edge case so no huge issue. TIA! C
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Logic Assistance: Exterior Lights on when Illuminance Below Threshold
PablaP
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Time series documentation
tunnusT
Is the current manual (incl. examples) up to date with how retention value is handled in time series configuration? Referring to this post
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MQTT templates for ZIgbee scene controller, or a better way?
CatmanV2C
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  • Not so quiet around here :)
    tunnusT tunnus

    Got banned quite quickly from Vera/ezlo forum, without any warning. I was kinda asking for it, but still, they could have some sense of humour over there 🙂

    General Discussion

  • About page after every update
    tunnusT tunnus

    Is it by design that about page pops up after every update? Would be nice if verification was needed only once.
    Screenshot 2022-10-19 at 22.54.08.png

    (Running on Synology Docker if that makes any difference.)

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  • HVAC Control
    tunnusT tunnus

    I've got pretty "interesting" setup on HVAC. I have two heat pumps, a Mitsubishi model that can be controlled through their Melcloud-service, and Nibe F750 which also has a cloud service (Nibe uplink). For both of these I have openHAB bindings (running these on Synology NAS), and with Mitsubishi I'm only currently fetching some data and not really controlling it with openHAB. Melcloud has so good scheduling/timer, that there hasn't been a real need to setup additional control.

    Uplink has a decent API and openHAB fetches all data this API offers, which I in turn poll with two SiteSensors (altogether getting 16 values) running on Vera Plus. Obviously it would be more convenient to get these values straight from Vera, e.g. with SiteSensor, but it would require a (dedicated) plugin as uplink API authentication is not so trivial to set up.

    Thanks to @therealdb's instructions, I've got two Fibaro smart implants connected to F750 and have Reactor logic to change e.g. ventilation speeds if house is empty or CO2 is rising (Netatmo plugin...). This could also be done through uplink API, but there's two points against it, 1) write access is a paid service, 2) with smart implants there's less dependency on cloud (I prefer local setup/logic as many others here). Downside is that with local (AUX-based) access one can only control 5 functions, e.g. could have 4 ventilation speeds and an increase of hot water temperature (boiler).

    Some additional features in use: when ventilation speed is changed, I use Patrick's excellent Sonos-plugin (TTS announcement) and also send Telegram message (again, thanks to @therealdb) with Reactor.

    All in all, Patrick's (@toggledbits) plugins have kept my home automation running and kept me from migrating to other platforms. Vera is currently running pretty solidly, probably due in part to decouple script (yes, you guessed it, again by Patrick), but some memory leaks have surfaced that have previously been hidden by multiple luup reloads, so have to at least plan a backup plan for target migration. Hubitat could be one alternative.

    Screenshot 2021-03-12 at 11.32.35.png

    Hardware

  • Condition must occur after -restriction not working
    tunnusT tunnus

    @toggledbits, can confirm that this build fixed the problem

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  • Unofficial thread for compatibility
    tunnusT tunnus

    As there are statements about compatibility for home assistant versions in MSR new version announcements (e.g. "HassController: Bless Hass to 2025.7.3"), I thought it would be good idea to track other controllers as well.

    As an example, I can confirm that build "latest-25208-c53e8513" works with Hubitat Elevation C-8 platform version 2.4.2.134 using Maker API.

    Updates: (the latest versions first in the list)

    • OK: build "latest-25264-2fbe9217" with Hubitat C-8 platform v. 2.4.3.123
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  • Netatmo – Oath2 login
    tunnusT tunnus

    @akbooer No it doesn't, see documentation. Openhab is also easy to install as a Docker container, although might be bit of an overkill, if it's used only for Netatmo 😀

    Vera/openLuup plugins

  • Vera firmware 7.32 beta
    tunnusT tunnus

    Beta discussion (or more of a silence) doesn't look very promising... and as a banned user cannot participate if I wanted to.

    They don't seem to publish a production release, so I guess I have to bite the bullet and go for the latest beta, but the link given (Vera Plus) in the first post does not work, so anyone know from where to download?

    EDIT: Found beta 4, which seems to be the latest one. I guess this is as solid as Vera can ever be?

    Vera

  • MSR newbie first impressions about 1.0.0
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    Had (and still having) extensive logic running smoothly on Reactor for Vera and now I bit the bullet and started migrating to MSR. Excellent work @toggledbits I must say!

    Importing rules works fine and starting to understand differences with the two products. Still, I have a couple of wishes below: (I can write requests directly to MantisBT if these make sense)

    • Telegram notifications, image & video URL support would be nice
    • UI tweak: when there are no unsaved changes, save button background could be grey instead of red
    • UI tweak 2: ability to drag & drop conditions between triggers and constraints
    • UI tweak 3: collapse all / expand all functionality for rule sets
    • UI tweak 4: also in rule sets page, ability to enable / disable all rules in one set with one click
    • UI tweak 5: liking RfV's UI for status and especially when a group's state is true, then it's clearly visible (green background, see example below), could this be replicated for MSR?
      Screenshot 2021-08-06 at 11.45.04.png

    Then a question about entities, is it possible to hide some of them? Having some Vera device "garbage":

    Screenshot 2021-08-06 at 11.49.46.png

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  • Any interest in Groovy programming?
    tunnusT tunnus

    I might have a need to modify some drivers for Hubitat, but can't commit to produce any guides

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  • Vera firmware 7.32 beta
    tunnusT tunnus

    Did the upgrade to beta 4 and so far so good, everything seems to work ok. Decoupling also in use. Btw, after fw upgrade, is it necessary to disable nightly heal again, although I had it disabled?

    luup.attr_set("EnableNightlyHeal",0,0)
    

    Eventually, and especially if Vera fails, I'm also going to migrate to Hubitat (Elevation).

    Vera

  • Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays
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    Hyvää Joulua ja Onnellista Uutta Vuotta 2022! (from Finland 🙂 )

    General Discussion

  • Expressions and LuaXP Functions
    tunnusT tunnus

    @toggledbits any chance we'll see strftime function coming up "soon"? Or advice how to implement the same with lexpjs (when you have unix timestamp, RfV example below)?

    strftime("%H:%M %d/%m/%y", <timestamp> )

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  • Condition must occur after -restriction
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    @toggledbits okay, that was a bit badly formed that R4V RS = MSR rule set. Also, don't get me wrong that I would be driving a full parity of these two products.

    I raised this up because I think in this case R4V implementation provides more value for the user, and one (at least me 🙂 ) could create more flexible automations if this "only after" restriction could reference other rules at least in the same rule set, if not even broader scale.

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  • Updated to latest MSR 21243 and no entities are being executed I Hubitat
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    @tunnus said in Updated to latest MSR 21243 and no entities are being executed I Hubitat:

    @matteburk could check this post, although you probably have some other issue

    Well, it turned out you had the same issue

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  • Replacing SiteSensor Plugin (Vera) with MSR
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    @toggledbits Better?

    Screenshot 2021-09-17 at 13.46.02.png

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  • Rule for devices battery level ?
    tunnusT tunnus

    @toggledbits thanks Patrick! Works nicely

    Screenshot 2021-10-05 at 16.40.49.png

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  • What notification system is best?
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    @andr Telegram. No regrets

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  • Reactor log timestamps
    tunnusT tunnus

    Logs seem to use UTC +0

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  • Suppressing alerts in HTTP Request actions
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    @toggledbits ok, fair enough.

    For me a more usable feature would be if one could suppress all errors related to a specific HTTP-connection (timeout etc), as I'm then implementing notification logic if one particular rule is important enough.

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  • [solved] Ordering of global expressions
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    @toggledbits can confirm that the fix is working (tested with 21297)

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