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Fail safe condition for battery devices

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    toggledbits
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    #7

    Sorry, I erred... try using values in the range of 0 to 1 (so 50 = 0.5) for position.set.

    I would also be consistent and not use the extended attributes (x_zwave_values...), but rather position.value and/or cover.state.

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      Sorry, I erred... try using values in the range of 0 to 1 (so 50 = 0.5) for position.set.

      I would also be consistent and not use the extended attributes (x_zwave_values...), but rather position.value and/or cover.state.

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      @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

      Sorry, I erred... try using values in the range of 0 to 1 (so 50 = 0.5) for position.set.

      I would also be consistent and not use the extended attributes (x_zwave_values...), but rather position.value and/or cover.state.

      That makes sense. The cover.state is a True/False value, so I'm not quite sure what that does.

      I've revised it, and I've extended the delay times out a bit. The first blind opens correctly, but the second one opens, and then closes itself again. I'm really perpelexed as to why.

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        @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

        Sorry, I erred... try using values in the range of 0 to 1 (so 50 = 0.5) for position.set.

        I would also be consistent and not use the extended attributes (x_zwave_values...), but rather position.value and/or cover.state.

        That makes sense. The cover.state is a True/False value, so I'm not quite sure what that does.

        I've revised it, and I've extended the delay times out a bit. The first blind opens correctly, but the second one opens, and then closes itself again. I'm really perpelexed as to why.

        200c80a6-3a19-44b7-b025-88d33b22d4e9-image.png

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        @tamorgen said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

        That makes sense. The cover.state is a True/False value, so I'm not quite sure what that does.

        Can you also post the full attributes for this device (using the Copy Attributes button)?

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          @tamorgen said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

          That makes sense. The cover.state is a True/False value, so I'm not quite sure what that does.

          Can you also post the full attributes for this device (using the Copy Attributes button)?

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          @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

          Can you also post the full attributes for this device (using the Copy Attributes button)?

          Here you go:

          battery_power.level=0.9
          battery_power.since=1721846488511
          cover.state=false
          position.value=0
          x_debug.dt={"entity_class":"Cover","match":"deviceClass.generic.key=17;deviceClass.specific.key=7","capabilities":["cover","toggle","position"],"primary_attribute":"cover.state","description":"Window Blind Controller","model":"iblinds V3","default_name":"Window Blind Controller","values":[{"valueId":"38:currentValue:","capabilities":{"cover":{"attributes":{"state":{"expr":"!(value == 0 || value >= 99)"}},"actions":{"open":{"valueId":"38:targetValue:","value":50},"close":{"valueId":"38:targetValue:","value":99},"stop":false}},"position":{"attributes":{"value":{"expr":"round( value / 99, 2 )"}},"actions":{"set":{"valueId":"38:targetValue","value":{"expr":"max( 0, min( 99, round( 100 * ( parameters.value ?# 0 ), 0 ) ) )"}},"increase":{"valueId":"38:targetValue","value":{"expr":"max( 0, min( 99, round( 100 * ( ( entity.attributes.position?.value ?# 0 ) + ( parameters.amount ?# 0.10 ) ), 0 ) ) )"}},"decrease":{"valueId":"38:targetValue","value":{"expr":"max( 0, min( 99, round( 100 * ( ( entity.attributes.position?.value ?# 0 ) - ( parameters.amount ?# 0.10 ) ), 0 ) ) )"}},"relative":{"valueId":"38:targetValue","value":{"expr":"max( 0, min( 99, round( 100 * ( ( entity.attributes.position?.value ?# 0 ) + ( parameters.amount ?# 0.10 ) ), 0 ) ) )"}}}},"toggle":{"actions":{"toggle":{"valueId":"38:targetValue:","value":{"expr":"entity.attributes.cover.state ? 99 : 50"}}}}}}],"manufacturerId":647,"productType":4,"productId":113}
          x_zwave_values.Battery_isLow=false
          x_zwave_values.Battery_level=90
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Close_Interval=15
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Default_ON_Value=50
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_MC=1
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Maximum_Tilt_Level=null
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Minimum_Tilt_Level=null
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Movement_Duration=0
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Override_Response_to_ON_Command=null
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Remote_Calibration=1
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Reset_Button=0
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Reverse_Direction=0
          x_zwave_values.Configuration_Send_Reports=0
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_Node_Identify_3=0
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_Node_Identify_4=0
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_Node_Identify_5=0
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_identify=null
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_timeout=null
          x_zwave_values.Indicator_value=null
          x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_manufacturerId=647
          x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_productId=114
          x_zwave_values.Manufacturer_Specific_productType=4
          x_zwave_values.Version_applicationBuildNumber=43707
          x_zwave_values.Version_applicationFrameworkAPIVersion="3.12.1"
          x_zwave_values.Version_applicationFrameworkBuildNumber=35
          x_zwave_values.Version_applicationVersion="3.12.1"
          x_zwave_values.Version_firmwareVersions=["3.12"]
          x_zwave_values.Version_hardwareVersion=2
          x_zwave_values.Version_hostInterfaceBuildNumber=0
          x_zwave_values.Version_hostInterfaceVersion="unused"
          x_zwave_values.Version_libraryType=3
          x_zwave_values.Version_protocolVersion="7.12"
          x_zwave_values.Version_sdkVersion="7.12.2"
          x_zwave_values.Version_zWaveProtocolBuildNumber=35
          x_zwave_values.Version_zWaveProtocolVersion="7.12.2"
          x_zwave_values.Window_Covering_currentValue_23=0
          x_zwave_values.Window_Covering_duration_23={"value":0,"unit":"seconds"}
          x_zwave_values.Window_Covering_levelChangeDown_23=null
          x_zwave_values.Window_Covering_levelChangeUp_23=null
          x_zwave_values.Window_Covering_targetValue_23=0
          zwave_device.capabilities=[106,112,114,128,134,135]
          zwave_device.endpoint=0
          zwave_device.failed=false
          zwave_device.generic_class="Multilevel Switch"
          zwave_device.impl_sig="23326:1:23260:1"
          zwave_device.is_beaming=false
          zwave_device.is_listening=false
          zwave_device.is_routing=true
          zwave_device.is_secure=true
          zwave_device.manufacturer_info=[647,4,114]
          zwave_device.max_data_rate=null
          zwave_device.node_id=80
          zwave_device.specific_class="Motor Control Class C"
          zwave_device.status=4
          zwave_device.status_text="alive"
          zwave_device.version_info=[null,"3.12.1"]
          
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            So is it 80 or 81 that's not staying in the expected state?

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              80, which is the second one

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                Can you command 80 from the Entities list using the same actions and values?

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                  Can you command 80 from the Entities list using the same actions and values?

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                  @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                  Can you command 80 from the Entities list using the same actions and values?

                  Yes, it opens to 50% using position.set .50

                  When I use the reaction, it does change to .5, but then changes back after 20 or 30 seconds.

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                    Is there a rule that could be triggered by the shade moving that's still active?

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                      Is there a rule that could be triggered by the shade moving that's still active?

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                      @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                      Is there a rule that could be triggered by the shade moving that's still active?

                      I don't believe so. I believe I would see other rules flashing active/green, were that to happen. If that was the case, manually doing it either through HA or through the entities tab, like you just had me do, would cause that reaction as well.

                      BTW, that was one of the first things I thought of. I had two separate reactor windows open, so I could monitor the Reactions tab, as well as the Blinds Rule Set rules simultaneously.

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                        Perhaps, but there's no command setting to closed in that reaction, either.

                        Another way to look at this is to open a second tab for Reactor, and stay on the Status page with the Running Reactions widget displayed. If the blind closes after the Reaction has stopped running, that suggests the command to close it is coming from elsewhere.

                        And of course, any time things don't look as expected, you should always be looking in the logs.

                        Edit: based on your edit, I'd make sure all rules doing anything with blinds are disabled during this testing.

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                          Perhaps, but there's no command setting to closed in that reaction, either.

                          Another way to look at this is to open a second tab for Reactor, and stay on the Status page with the Running Reactions widget displayed. If the blind closes after the Reaction has stopped running, that suggests the command to close it is coming from elsewhere.

                          And of course, any time things don't look as expected, you should always be looking in the logs.

                          Edit: based on your edit, I'd make sure all rules doing anything with blinds are disabled during this testing.

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                          @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                          Perhaps, but there's no command setting to closed in that reaction, either.

                          WAIT -- WHAT'S THIS???

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                            @toggledbits said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                            Perhaps, but there's no command setting to closed in that reaction, either.

                            WAIT -- WHAT'S THIS???

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                            @toggledbits,

                            That would be me dying of embarrassment. I'm not sure how that got there.

                            Removed and surprise surprise, works fine.

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                              Whew! All good!

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                                Best thread ever given I have 13 iblinds and they get... cranky/fussy.

                                I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

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                                MSR: latest-25139-fbd67abc
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                                  Best thread ever given I have 13 iblinds and they get... cranky/fussy.

                                  I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

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                                  @gwp1 said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                                  Best thread ever given I have 13 iblinds and they get... cranky/fussy.

                                  I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

                                  I'm going to say they been a lot less cranky since I added the dead node routine. It's not strictly for iBlinds, but the battery powered devices are the ones that tend to not report in quite as regularly.

                                  I also have a notification routine that sends me push notifications when battery level is below 35%. This used to be a huge problem when I ran Vera and the original iBlinds. Battery readings would go from 80% to dead overnight. Not so much a problem anymore with HA and the 3.1 version of iBlinds.

                                  This whole thread came up, because I got tired of walking into a room, and wondering if my wife closed a blind on purpose, or if the routine that opens them failed in some manner. I'm hoping this will reduce my questioning.

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                                    @gwp1 said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                                    Best thread ever given I have 13 iblinds and they get... cranky/fussy.

                                    I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

                                    I'm going to say they been a lot less cranky since I added the dead node routine. It's not strictly for iBlinds, but the battery powered devices are the ones that tend to not report in quite as regularly.

                                    I also have a notification routine that sends me push notifications when battery level is below 35%. This used to be a huge problem when I ran Vera and the original iBlinds. Battery readings would go from 80% to dead overnight. Not so much a problem anymore with HA and the 3.1 version of iBlinds.

                                    This whole thread came up, because I got tired of walking into a room, and wondering if my wife closed a blind on purpose, or if the routine that opens them failed in some manner. I'm hoping this will reduce my questioning.

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                                    @tamorgen said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                                    I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

                                    Build 22023... two and a half years ago. 🙂

                                    In fairness, though, it was advertised as "experimental" in the release notes, and I never did make another note to clear that status, so by the power vested in me by the Universal Life Church of Stockton, California USA, I hearby bless it.

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                                      @tamorgen said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                                      I'm going to pile onto the "wait, I never knew about Repeat While - when was this added @toggledbits ?

                                      Build 22023... two and a half years ago. 🙂

                                      In fairness, though, it was advertised as "experimental" in the release notes, and I never did make another note to clear that status, so by the power vested in me by the Universal Life Church of Stockton, California USA, I hearby bless it.

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                                      @toggledbits Praise be to He!

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                                        @toggledbits Praise be to He!

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                                        @tamorgen @toggledbits is it better to use cover.open and cover.close or postion.set=.5 and 0/.99?

                                        I'm noticing this morning after moving my open/close Reactions to Repeat While that the iblinds will "settle"... ie, land on .52 and then retry for the next few minutes until settling on .51 as "open".

                                        *Hubitat C-7 2.4.1.177
                                        *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

                                        *HASS 2025.6.0
                                        w/ ZST10-700 fw 7.18.3

                                        *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
                                        MSR: latest-25139-fbd67abc
                                        MQTTController: 25139
                                        ZWave Controller: 25139

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                                          @tamorgen @toggledbits is it better to use cover.open and cover.close or postion.set=.5 and 0/.99?

                                          I'm noticing this morning after moving my open/close Reactions to Repeat While that the iblinds will "settle"... ie, land on .52 and then retry for the next few minutes until settling on .51 as "open".

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                                          @gwp1 said in Fail safe condition for battery devices:

                                          is it better to use cover.open and cover.close or postion.set=.5 and 0/.99?

                                          I'm not sure about better, but I'm now using the position.set for consistency. For each blind or set of blinds in a room, I have basically 3 possible positions I want them: Open, (50%/.51), Closed (0%/0, up inside), and a Sun glare position (80%/.81). it's just easier for me to have the same reaction set up, but change the position.set value.

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