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Hi , I'm on -Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25067-62e21a2d -Docker on Synology NAS -ZWaveJSUI 9.31.0.6c80945 Problem with ZwaveJSUI: When I try to change color to a bulb RGBWW, it doesn't change to the RGB color and the bulb remains warm or cold white. I tryed with Zipato RGBW Bulb V2 RGBWE2, Hank Bulb HKZW-RGB01, Aentec 6 A-ZWA002, so seems that it happens with all RGBWW bulb with reactor/zwavejsui. I'm using from reator the entity action: "rgb_color.set" and "rgb_color.set_rgb". After I send the reactor command, It changes in zwavejsui the rgb settings but doesn't put the white channel to "0", so the prevalent channel remains warm/cold White and the bulb doesn't change into the rgb color. This is the status of the bulb in zwavejsui after "rgb_color.set" (235,33,33,) and the bulb is still warmWhite. x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor={"warmWhite":204,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} The "cold white" and "warm white" settings interfer with the rgb color settings. Reactor can change bulb colors with rgb_color set — (value, ui8, 0x000000 to 0xffffff) or rgb_color set_rgb — (red, green, blue, all ui1, 0 to 255) but if warm or cold white are not to "0", zwavejsui doesn't change them and I can't find a way to change into rgb or from rgb back to warm white. So if I use from reactor: rgb_color set_rgb — (235,33,33) in zwavejsui I have x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: targetColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: targetColor 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: currentColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: currentColor In zwavejsui, the bulb changes rgb set but warm White remains to "204" and the bulb remais on warm White channel bacause is prevalent on rgb set. x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_0=204 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_1=0 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_2=235 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_3=33 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_4=33 Is it possible to targetColor also for "warmWhite" and "coldWhite" and have something similar to this? x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"warmWhite":0,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} Thanks in advance.
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MSR had been running fine, but I decided to follow the message to upgrade to 25067. Since the upgrade, I have received the message "Controller "<name>" (HubitatController hubitat2) could not be loaded at startup. Its ID is not unique." MSR throws the message on every restart. Has anyone else encountered this problem? I am running MSR on a Raspberry Pi4 connecting to two Hubitat units over an OpenVPN tunnel. One C8 and a C8 Pro. Both are up-to-date. It appears that despite the error message that MSR may be operating properly.
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[Solved] Runtime error when exiting global reaction that contains a group
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I am getting a Runtime error on different browsers when I click exit when editing an existing or creating a new global reaction containing a group. If the global reaction does not have a group I don't get an error. I see a similar post on the forum about a Runtime Error when creating reactions but started a new thread as that appears to be solved. The Runtime Error is different in the two browsers Safari v18.3 @http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:44 You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community. Google Chrome 133.0.6943.142 TypeError: self.editor.isModified is not a function at HTMLButtonElement.<anonymous> (http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:34) You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community. Steps to reproduce: Click the pencil to edit a global reaction with a group. Click the Exit button. Runtime error appears. or Click Create Reaction Click Add Action Select Group Add Condition such as Entity Attribute. Add an Action. Click Save Click Exit Runtime error appears. I don’t know how long the error has been there as I haven’t edited the global reaction in a long time. Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25060-f32eaa46 Docker Mac OS: 15.3.1 Thanks
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Cannot delete Global Expressions
SnowmanS
I am trying to delete a global expression (gLightDelay) but for some strange reason, it comes back despite clicking the Delete this expression and Save Changes buttons. I have not created a global expression for some times and just noticed this while doing some clean-up. I have upgraded Reactor to 25067 from 25060 and the behaviour is still there. I have restarted Reactor (as well as restarting its container) and cleared the browser's cache several times without success. Here's what the log shows. [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:22.690Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:26.254Z <GlobalExpression:NOTICE> Deleting global expression gLightDelay [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:27.887Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } Reactor latest-25067-62e21a2d Docker on Synology NAS
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Rule update rates, limits, logic loops, warnings and throttling

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    wrote on last edited by LibraSun
    #1

    As is my custom, I often create ungainly Rules designed to push the limits of MSR until some problem crops up (UI glitch, runtime error, faulty logic, etc.). I'm starting this topic - and sharing a cautionary example below - to invite MSR power users to embrace best practices in their routines.

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      wrote on last edited by LibraSun
      #2

      Onward to my wayward example...

      Most recently, I noticed this line in Reactor.log

      Rule:WARN (Circulate House Air (auto)) update rate 61/min exceeds limit (60/min)! Logic loop? Throttling...
      

      suggesting that I had an issue in my "Circulate House Air" rule that caused "flapping" -- uncontrolled or unexpectedly high rates of triggering -- which invoked MSR's automatic throttling (suppression) of that rule.

      Because it's a fairly simple rule -- watch two Expressions (one a boolean, the other a calculated value from sensors), and check whether particular virtual switch is ON -- I was easily able to scrutinize its logic and layout.

      Here were the essentials:

      TRIGGERS

      [ Expression Value ] [ tempVar ] [ > ] [ 2 ] // IF temperature variation exceeds a certain threshold (a rare occurrence!); Pulse for 10 sec., repeat every 1200 secs.
      

      CONSTRAINTS

      [ Expression Value ] [ modesMatch ] [ is TRUE ] // only when A/C and Vera show same House Mode setting for 10+ secs.
      [ Entity Attribute ] [ VSwitch.status ] [ is TRUE ] // switch must also be ON
      

      REACTION

      [ Entity Action ] [ ACblower.power ] [ == ] [ 1 ] // turn on blower (auto-resets itself after 30 seconds)
      

      EXPRESSIONS

      tempVar := <mean deviation formula based on 4 sensors>
      modesMatch := <TRUE when A/C house mode matches Vera's>
      

      At first glance, all seemed well. Except MSR had expressly warned me (via the Log, at least) that something was amiss.

      Speculating that it was simply the arrangement of items within TRIGGERS and CONSTRAINTS, I moved the "VSwitch" condition from Constraints up into Triggers, and the "tempVar" expression down into Constraints, then re-enabled the Rule.

      Yet the throttling problem remains, according to the Log. While currently tempVar == 3, the VSwitch is OFF and modesMatch is FALSE -- that is, both Triggers and Constraints read 'false' -- so I would have thought it impossible for the Rule to be so active behind the scenes.

      Any insights on this problem?

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        LibraSun
        wrote on last edited by LibraSun
        #3

        FEATURE REQUEST

        Display each active Rule's current rate and/or display a warning in UI whenever Throttling occurs. (Probably already on the MSR roadmap)

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          wrote on last edited by toggledbits
          #4

          If your log level is 5 or above for the rule in question, you will see messages logged like this:

          2021-03-15T15:21:07.639Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:444> {ruleid} notification {type} {data} from {sender}
          

          So this will tell you what is triggering the request for re-evaluation.

          If you didn't know, you can set the logging level (in config/logging.yaml) for a particular rule, so it's useful to set the generic level (level entry under Rule:) to 4 to keep other rules quiet, and then create a new entry with key Rule#ruleid: and subkey level set to 5 or whatever. This will focus the detailed debug output on the single rule and hold the noise down from the stuff you're not as interested in.

          logging:
            ... other stuff ...
            Rule:
              level: 4
            Rule#rule-f984r5nfe
              level: 5
          

          Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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            LibraSun
            wrote on last edited by LibraSun
            #5

            So far, with the default logging level of 4 set in LOGGING.YAML, I merely see these not-so-illustrative entries immediately before the <WARN> line:

            2021-03-15T15:34:34.150Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:800> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z (Circulate House Air (auto)) evaluate() acquiring mutex
            
            2021-03-15T15:34:34.150Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:804> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z._evaluate() mutex acquired, evaluating
            
            2021-03-15T15:34:34.151Z <Rule:5:Rule.js:808> Rule#rule-km9hxs0z update rate is 61/min limit 60/min
            

            I'll proceed to try higher level inspection (by altering the level: for this Rule only) later today, and see what specifically turns up. For now, I have the Rule disabled.

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              #6

              Do not (ever) change the default logging level. Only change the logging level for the specific Rule and Rule#rule-id classes.

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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