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[Reactor] Bug when sending MQTT boolean payloads
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Difficulty defining repeating annual period
R
I have tried numerous ways to define a recurring annual period, for example from December 15 to January 15. No matter which method I try - after and before, between, after and/not after, Reactor reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date. Some constructs also seem to cause Reactor to hang, timeout and restart. For example "before January 15 is evaluated as true, but reports "waiting for invalid date, invalid date". Does anyone have a tried and true method to define a recurring annual period? I think the "between" that I used successfully in the past may have broken with one of the updates.
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Need help with sequence
T
Good evening all, For about the past week or so, I've been having problems with a specific rule in my home automation that controls when my home goes from an Away mode to Home mode. One of the conditions it checked for was my alarm panel, when it changed from Armed Away to Disarmed. There seems to have been a firmware update on the panel that added an intermittent step of "pending", and I can't say for certain it happens 100% of the time. Is there a way to write a condition that so it changes from one condition, to the next, and then another condition? As in, Home alarm changes from armed_away to pending to disarmed. Thanks.
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Possible feature request?
CatmanV2C
No idea how easy this would be. During my migration away from Z-wave I've been replacing the Z-wave devices with Sonoff which has broken some of my automations. Any chance of a 'Test Reaction' function to call out which ones are broken because an entity no longer exists? Without actually running the reaction? Or does this exist already and I'm just not aware of how to do it? Obviously I can see entities that are no longer available, but not quite what I'm looking for. I guess it's something of an edge case so no huge issue. TIA! C
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Copying a global reaction
tunnusT
With build 25328, if you copy a global reaction, a new reaction does not appear in the UI unless you do a refresh. I recall this used to work without needing this page refresh? Anyway, only a minor nuisance.
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Logic Assistance: Exterior Lights on when Illuminance Below Threshold
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Time series documentation
tunnusT
Is the current manual (incl. examples) up to date with how retention value is handled in time series configuration? Referring to this post
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MQTT templates for ZIgbee scene controller, or a better way?
CatmanV2C
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Reset a delay
CatmanV2C
I'm sure this has been asked, and answered, but damned if I can figure it out Use case: I have a rear garden with lights. A door from the kitchen into the garden and a door from the garage. Currently if I open the kitchen door the lights come on (yay) and a 3 minute delay starts. After 3 minutes, no matter what else happens, the lights go off (Boo! But also yay!) What I would like is for the 3 minute delay until the lights go off to start from the latest door open event. That is, if I'm going from kitchen to garage, and back again, the lights stay on until there's three minutes of no activity. I've tried 'hacking' with a virtual switch, but can't seem to stop the delay. Any pointers? TIA C
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Reactor Loading Screen Safari
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Constraints states visually do not match actual
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[MSR] Feature request: For Each action on arrays/groups
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[Solved] Error: Command timeout
G
at _ClientAPI._commandTimeout (http://192.168.1.100:8111/client/ClientAPI.js:807:179 Seeing this randomly when returning to open browser tab after being away awhile. Once, maybe twice a day. "What did you do to trigger it?" Literally nothing, just walked away and returned and there it was. Actions taken in reasonably close proximity to this particular instance of it popping up: I'd restarted the MSR container in Portainer. I'll try to grab some logs here shortly.
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Issue with MSR UI becoming unresponsive
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I'm having an issue with MSR's UI being very unresponsive. It started happening a couple days ago and I didn't make any changes that would have caused this except adding some meross lan devices in HA. When I go into an entity action and use the search functionality, it usually will start filtering and then get to a place after a few letters are entered where it will take 30 seconds or more (sometimes minutes) for the UI to show what I am typing. During this time MSR ui is completely unresponsive. I've tried multiple browsers and multiple computers. HA and MSR are both deployed in docker. I have run HTOP on the host and when the problem happens there are no CPU/Memory spikes at all. From a functionality standpoint MSR is working perfectly. This seems to be an UI issue only. Do i need to ditch Docker and run MSR on a Proxmox VM? I have both stand alone Docker and Proxmox environments. I dont mind doing that I just want to be able to use the UI again... Installation method Home Assistant Container Core 2025.7.3 Frontend 20250702.3 nothing crazy in the logs except some openweather map stuff that doesn't make any sense as it is working fine in MSR Any help would be greatly appreciated Reactor latest-25328-b2ed1365 app 25328 configuration from /var/reactor/config NODE_PATH /opt/reactor:/opt/reactor/node_modules [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.843Z <app:null> Reactor build latest-25328-b2ed1365 starting on v24.11.1 /usr/local/bin/node [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.844Z <app:null> Process ID 1 user/group 0/0; docker; platform linux/x64 #161-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 22 14:25:40 UTC 2025; locale (undefined) [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.844Z <app:null> Basedir /opt/reactor; data in /var/reactor/storage [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.844Z <app:null> NODE_PATH=/opt/reactor:/opt/reactor/node_modules [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.865Z <app:null> Resolved timezone=America/New_York, environment TZ=America/New_York; offset minutes from UTC=-300 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.867Z <default:null> Module i18n v25141 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.867Z <app:null> Configured locale (undefined); selected locale(s) en-US.UTF-8 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.879Z <app:null> Loaded locale en-US for en-US [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.879Z <app:null> Local date/time using configured timezone and locale formatting is "11/30/2025, 3:01:53 PM" [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.889Z <Structure:null> Module Structure v25326 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.890Z <Capabilities:null> Module Capabilities v24312 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.904Z <Plugin:null> Module Plugin v25141 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.923Z <Timer:null> Module Timer v25279 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.924Z <TimerBroker:null> Module TimerBroker v25314 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.927Z <Entity:null> Module Entity v25251 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.929Z <Controller:null> Module Controller v25253 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.930Z <AlertManager:null> Module AlertManager v25318 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.937Z <default:null> Module Ruleset v25283 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.937Z <default:null> Module Rulesets v25141 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.942Z <GlobalExpression:null> Module GlobalExpression v25258 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.953Z <Predicate:null> Module Predicate v25328 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.956Z <Rule:null> Module Rule v25323 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.958Z <GlobalReaction:null> Module GlobalReaction v25292 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.959Z <Engine:null> Module Engine v25325 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.964Z <httpapi:null> Module httpapi v25328 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.972Z <wsapi:null> Module wsapi v25328 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.994Z <TaskQueue:null> Module TaskQueue 24138 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:53.994Z <VeraController:null> Module VeraController v25141 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:01:54.179Z <HassController:null> Module HassController v25325 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:02:13.797Z <OWMWeatherController:null> Module OWMWeatherController v25268 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:02:13.800Z <SystemController:null> Module SystemController v25323 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:02:13.807Z <MQTTController:null> Module MQTTController v22092 [latest-25328]2025-11-30T20:02:20.630Z <OWMWeatherController:CRIT> FetchError: request to https://api.openweathermap.org/data/2.5/weather?lat=xxxxxxxxxx&lon=-xxxxxxxxx&appid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&units=standard&_r=1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxfailed, reason: [-] FetchError: request to https://api.openweathermap.org/data/2.5/weather?lat=xxxxxxxxxxx&lon=-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&appid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&units=standard&_r=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxfailed, reason: at ClientRequest.<anonymous> (/opt/reactor/node_modules/node-fetch/lib/index.js:1501:11) at ClientRequest.emit (node:events:508:28) at ClientRequest.emit (node:domain:489:12) at emitErrorEvent (node:_http_client:108:11) at TLSSocket.socketErrorListener (node:_http_client:575:5) at TLSSocket.emit (node:events:508:28) at TLSSocket.emit (node:domain:489:12) at emitErrorNT (node:internal/streams/destroy:170:8) at emitErrorCloseNT (node:internal/streams/destroy:129:3) at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:89:21
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Date/time condition
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Device log?
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@toggledbits is there a log that will show me what rule is turning on a specific device? I've got a switch that has been kicking on at 2200 ET for several nights now and the reactor.log doesn't have a thing in it that I can see on a device level (it being more rules-based).
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Midnight crossing not working in date/time condition (build 25325)
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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[Solved] Local expression in Rule does not evaluate as they used to do
CrilleC
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Home Assistant 2025.11.2 and latest-25315
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Cheapest platform on which to run MSR

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    toggledbits
    wrote on last edited by toggledbits
    #10

    Agree, best at this point would be Raspbian Bullseye, which is available as a 64-bit distribution that will maximize the performance of the host. If you choose to run Reactor under docker rather than bare-metal install, there are now 64-bit (aarch64) images available of Reactor.

    IIRC, you have to bring the system up on a MicroSD card as usual, and then you can use raspi-config to reconfigure it to boot from the SSD. That basically means you will need to install the OS twice, in advance before your first boot... once on the MicroSD, and once on the SSD. Once it's booting from the SSD, you can (and should) remove the MicroSD card. There are several different instructions for this available by search; some will give you steps to simply copy the OS from the MicroSD to the SSD, which is fine, too.

    Also, I believe that starting with Bullseye builds in March 2022, the default pi user is no longer included in the distribution — a user had to be created during the first boot. That means you will have to have a monitor (HDMI) and keyboard (USB) connected (and mouse if using the GUI). Also note that most instructions for Pi things tend to assume that the pi user exists and is the first user on the system, so you may want to go with that when asked.

    Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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      With the new Raspberry Pi Imager you can configure the boot sequence and user when you download (format) the card or SSD.
      Click on the settings Icon (lower righthand side) that will give you access to setting User Names, SSH and more..
      Make sure you use the Rasp Pi downloader for this and its a breeze.

      I suggest you just throw caution to the wind and buy a SSD, they aren't that much more expensive than a SD Card.
      The Pi4 makes it all worth while

      aka Zedrally

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      • Black CatB Black Cat

        With the new Raspberry Pi Imager you can configure the boot sequence and user when you download (format) the card or SSD.
        Click on the settings Icon (lower righthand side) that will give you access to setting User Names, SSH and more..
        Make sure you use the Rasp Pi downloader for this and its a breeze.

        I suggest you just throw caution to the wind and buy a SSD, they aren't that much more expensive than a SD Card.
        The Pi4 makes it all worth while

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        @black-cat TOTALLY agree on the SSD. I found a three-pack on AMZ for a very reasonable cost and haven't looked back. Everything runs much smoother/faster than on the SD card (for obvious reasons) and the knowledge that I'm not facing a SD card failure is reassuring.

        *Hubitat C-7 2.4.3.173
        *Proxmox VE v8, Beelink MiniPC 12GBs, SSD

        *HASS 2025.12.4, Core 2025.12.3
        w/ HA Connect ZWA-2
        FW: v1.1
        SDK: v7.23.1

        *Prod MSR in docker/portainer
        MSR: latest-25328-b2ed1365
        MQTTController: 25139
        ZWave Controller: 25139

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          Thanks for all the suggestions and support. I have a 16 GB SSD coming (based on advice given). I was hoping to install the OS directly as I don't have a SD Card. Still, it's a small problem if that all that is stopping me. I was thinking of using (installing?) a Docker so that I can install other applications too, but would this be too much to bite off for a beginner?

          Vera plus user. MSR user on Raspberry PI 4. Running MSR version 23049 in Docker

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            Thanks for all the suggestions and support. I have a 16 GB SSD coming (based on advice given). I was hoping to install the OS directly as I don't have a SD Card. Still, it's a small problem if that all that is stopping me. I was thinking of using (installing?) a Docker so that I can install other applications too, but would this be too much to bite off for a beginner?

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            @talisker said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

            I was thinking of using (installing?) a Docker so that I can install other applications too, but would this be too much to bite off for a beginner?

            I recommend it. It takes away a lot of details. Install docker and docker-compose on the RPi like this:

            sudo apt-get install docker docker-compose
            

            I recommend using docker-compose to manage the container from the command line. The installation instructions (for Reactor on docker) give you a template docker-compose configuration file you can just copy-paste. It makes starting the Reactor container much less verbose, and it basically manages itself once started (including restarting at boot). Upgrades are this easy:

            docker-compose down     # stop Reactor
            docker-compose pull     # pull updated Reactor image
            docker-compose up -d    # restart Reactor on new image
            

            I guess you could also install Portainer for a GUI to manage docker, but I think that's more complicated. Put the three lines above in a script file and run it whenever you need to.

            I would also recommend installing Geany if you plan on using the desktop GUI. It's a very easy programmer's text editor that does syntax highlighting, so it will help you make correct changes to Reactor's YAML configuration files, shell scripts, etc.

            Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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              No, a Pi 2 won't do it. Well, you probably could, but I don't recommend it and I haven't tried it. A 3B+ is workable. I've tested that, so that's the safest minimum I can recommend.

              I've had trouble getting Pis as well for multiple projects, but I recently found rpilocator.com and I can highly recommend it. If you follow them on Twitter you can basically get alerts from them and it helps. You need to be quick. Yesterday they reported over 100 units available from a popular US seller, and today that seller is reported out of stock.

              I recently managed to get a Compute Module 4 with 8GB EMMC (built-in Flash storage like an SSD). That ran me US$45 for the CM4, and another $40 for the I/O board on which you mount it. I am testing that right now, and will likely use it as my build system for 64-bit Raspbian Bullseye releases (coming soon). It's much tidier than fussing with the USB-SATA adapter. That is all equivalent to a 4B+ in power, and may be equivalent or even a little lower in price -- by the time you've purchased a Pi 4B+ with 2GB RAM, an 8GB or larger SSD, and the USB 3.1 to SATA interface, you're in the same price range. Either way you go, the investment is a computing platform you can use for a long time; they've got good power, are well-built little boards (all), etc.

              Also, for any configuration with less than 2GB RAM, I recommend using the "Lite" version of the OS install (no desktop/GUI, command line only). That would include the 3B+.

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              I want to add that I've been using a (Raspberry Pi) Compute Module 4 with 8GB EMMC on board (and no Wi-Fi), mounted on the RPi CM4 I/O Board, and it's a great combination and alternative. I mentioned that earlier in this thread when I first got it, and now it's been about six weeks and I've got some experience with it. The overall cost was comparable to the RPi 4B+ maker/consumer board with an added SSD and USB3.1 interface (around $45 for the CM4 and $40 for the I/O board, so US$85). The CM4's are more available right now (still hard to get, but much easier than the maker board) because RPi is giving manufacturing priority to CM4 to support industry. The I/O boards are easy to get and always have been. The I/O board offers two on-board HDMI interfaces, a PCIe (x1) ssocket (for many things, like another way to get storage), a gigabit Ethernet port, two USB 2.0 connectors (hmmmph, rather see 3.x), microSD socket (for non-EMMC models), two camera connectors, two display connectors, 28 x GPIO, and a battery-backed real time clock. You can power it with a 12VDC power supply (2.1mm positive tip barrel connector), so it's easy to get the power in that the board really needs, and on a connector I regard as more stable and durable for that purpose than USB micro. It also offers a Berg-style power connector for use with, for example, a small (MeanWell) switching PSU. It has a USB micro connector for connecting to a PC, where the system then looks like a Flash drive so you can do updates or make filesystem changes on a cold system.

              Below are a couple of photos of my rig in a case I designed in Fusion 360 and 3D printed.

              20220609_130143.jpg 20220609_130155.jpg

              It's a bit (1-2cm) smaller than a Vera Plus in every dimension; for non-Vera readers, that's about the size of many 4-port Ethernet switches and small routers. It's fanless, and so far, I haven't seen the need for anything other than passive/convective cooling. But I will be adding heat sinks to the CM4, just for more headroom. The I/O board has a standard four-pin fan connector that works from the 12VDC supply.

              What I especially like is that the eMMC storage is bus-connected to the CPU on the same card, so it's much faster than either MicroSD or SSD-over-USB. I haven't tested PCIe storage yet. The CM4 configuration is also much less fragile. I find the USB interface cable necessary for the SSD on the maker board setup to be unwieldy to cable manage, and I've learned not to move it at all when running or I'll cause disk faults and a kernel crash (i.e. it looks and acts like cobbled together bits, where the CM4+I/O looks purpose-built). The real time clock is also great to have; many of you may remember from Those Other Forums that I am firmly of the opinion that no serious IoT platform can be built without one (so that the time is very close to correct when the system cold boots after a power loss and network time is not yet available, and thus time-bsed automations don't go crazy due to a reset/default clock).

              I highly recommend this approach to anyone. For CM4 configuration, I think the 2GB RAM/8GB eMMC (MSRP US$40 without Wi-Fi, US$45 with) is good for just a basic Reactor host, but the filesystem may end up a little tight if you also want to run Hass, InfluxDB, etc. (the OS itself takes almost half of my 8GB with the desktop GUI installed). I would go up to 16GB or 32GB eMMC for those, and 4GB RAM. The maximum manufactured configuration is 8GB RAM and 32GB eMMC, with an MSRP of US$90/95 without/with Wi-Fi. Run it on the 64-bit version of Raspbian Bullseye. Unless you have some reason to want Wi-Fi, I'd save the US$5 — running your IoT automations on Wi-Fi as primary network interface is not a good idea (IMO); the I/O board's gigabit Ethernet port is The Way. Full specs for the CM4 are here, and for the I/O board here.

              Just so I've said it, I don't think the maker board configuration is bad at all, it's just in a close second place for me right now (because of the form factor issues and the real time clock). Six weeks ago I didn't have enough experience with the CM4 to declare it my favorite, but as of right now, that's where it is. But I would in no way shy away from the maker board or recommend against it. I've seen some tidy rigs put together with easily-printed cases for the maker board with an SSD, and some clever right-angle USB connectors to ease the USB cabling issue. But if you're comparing cost and convenience of the two configurations, I now think the CM4+I/O configuration edges out the maker board. The best configuration for you is the one you find most agreeable, always.

              Author of Multi-system Reactor and Reactor, DelayLight, Switchboard, and about a dozen other plugins that run on Vera and openLuup.

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              • toggledbitsT toggledbits

                @talisker said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                I was thinking of using (installing?) a Docker so that I can install other applications too, but would this be too much to bite off for a beginner?

                I recommend it. It takes away a lot of details. Install docker and docker-compose on the RPi like this:

                sudo apt-get install docker docker-compose
                

                I recommend using docker-compose to manage the container from the command line. The installation instructions (for Reactor on docker) give you a template docker-compose configuration file you can just copy-paste. It makes starting the Reactor container much less verbose, and it basically manages itself once started (including restarting at boot). Upgrades are this easy:

                docker-compose down     # stop Reactor
                docker-compose pull     # pull updated Reactor image
                docker-compose up -d    # restart Reactor on new image
                

                I guess you could also install Portainer for a GUI to manage docker, but I think that's more complicated. Put the three lines above in a script file and run it whenever you need to.

                I would also recommend installing Geany if you plan on using the desktop GUI. It's a very easy programmer's text editor that does syntax highlighting, so it will help you make correct changes to Reactor's YAML configuration files, shell scripts, etc.

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                Black Cat
                wrote on last edited by Black Cat
                #16

                @toggledbits said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                I guess you could also install Portainer for a GUI to manage docker, but I think that's more complicated

                @toggledbits, more complicated is an understatement.
                I'd like to hear from anyone who has done this and not experienced difficulties, I've been able to run either (Reactor or Portainer) but not both in Portainer Container. Over to the experts.....

                aka Zedrally

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                • toggledbitsT toggledbits

                  I want to add that I've been using a (Raspberry Pi) Compute Module 4 with 8GB EMMC on board (and no Wi-Fi), mounted on the RPi CM4 I/O Board, and it's a great combination and alternative. I mentioned that earlier in this thread when I first got it, and now it's been about six weeks and I've got some experience with it. The overall cost was comparable to the RPi 4B+ maker/consumer board with an added SSD and USB3.1 interface (around $45 for the CM4 and $40 for the I/O board, so US$85). The CM4's are more available right now (still hard to get, but much easier than the maker board) because RPi is giving manufacturing priority to CM4 to support industry. The I/O boards are easy to get and always have been. The I/O board offers two on-board HDMI interfaces, a PCIe (x1) ssocket (for many things, like another way to get storage), a gigabit Ethernet port, two USB 2.0 connectors (hmmmph, rather see 3.x), microSD socket (for non-EMMC models), two camera connectors, two display connectors, 28 x GPIO, and a battery-backed real time clock. You can power it with a 12VDC power supply (2.1mm positive tip barrel connector), so it's easy to get the power in that the board really needs, and on a connector I regard as more stable and durable for that purpose than USB micro. It also offers a Berg-style power connector for use with, for example, a small (MeanWell) switching PSU. It has a USB micro connector for connecting to a PC, where the system then looks like a Flash drive so you can do updates or make filesystem changes on a cold system.

                  Below are a couple of photos of my rig in a case I designed in Fusion 360 and 3D printed.

                  20220609_130143.jpg 20220609_130155.jpg

                  It's a bit (1-2cm) smaller than a Vera Plus in every dimension; for non-Vera readers, that's about the size of many 4-port Ethernet switches and small routers. It's fanless, and so far, I haven't seen the need for anything other than passive/convective cooling. But I will be adding heat sinks to the CM4, just for more headroom. The I/O board has a standard four-pin fan connector that works from the 12VDC supply.

                  What I especially like is that the eMMC storage is bus-connected to the CPU on the same card, so it's much faster than either MicroSD or SSD-over-USB. I haven't tested PCIe storage yet. The CM4 configuration is also much less fragile. I find the USB interface cable necessary for the SSD on the maker board setup to be unwieldy to cable manage, and I've learned not to move it at all when running or I'll cause disk faults and a kernel crash (i.e. it looks and acts like cobbled together bits, where the CM4+I/O looks purpose-built). The real time clock is also great to have; many of you may remember from Those Other Forums that I am firmly of the opinion that no serious IoT platform can be built without one (so that the time is very close to correct when the system cold boots after a power loss and network time is not yet available, and thus time-bsed automations don't go crazy due to a reset/default clock).

                  I highly recommend this approach to anyone. For CM4 configuration, I think the 2GB RAM/8GB eMMC (MSRP US$40 without Wi-Fi, US$45 with) is good for just a basic Reactor host, but the filesystem may end up a little tight if you also want to run Hass, InfluxDB, etc. (the OS itself takes almost half of my 8GB with the desktop GUI installed). I would go up to 16GB or 32GB eMMC for those, and 4GB RAM. The maximum manufactured configuration is 8GB RAM and 32GB eMMC, with an MSRP of US$90/95 without/with Wi-Fi. Run it on the 64-bit version of Raspbian Bullseye. Unless you have some reason to want Wi-Fi, I'd save the US$5 — running your IoT automations on Wi-Fi as primary network interface is not a good idea (IMO); the I/O board's gigabit Ethernet port is The Way. Full specs for the CM4 are here, and for the I/O board here.

                  Just so I've said it, I don't think the maker board configuration is bad at all, it's just in a close second place for me right now (because of the form factor issues and the real time clock). Six weeks ago I didn't have enough experience with the CM4 to declare it my favorite, but as of right now, that's where it is. But I would in no way shy away from the maker board or recommend against it. I've seen some tidy rigs put together with easily-printed cases for the maker board with an SSD, and some clever right-angle USB connectors to ease the USB cabling issue. But if you're comparing cost and convenience of the two configurations, I now think the CM4+I/O configuration edges out the maker board. The best configuration for you is the one you find most agreeable, always.

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                  @toggledbits said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                  I want to add that I've been using a (Raspberry Pi) Compute Module 4 with 8GB EMMC on board

                  Way to go, unfortunately for me, the CM4 I/O board is the only part available. The Compute Module 4 is OOS (all versions), sigh.....
                  BTW, I love the case.....makes it all look very professional.

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                    @toggledbits said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                    I want to add that I've been using a (Raspberry Pi) Compute Module 4 with 8GB EMMC on board

                    Way to go, unfortunately for me, the CM4 I/O board is the only part available. The Compute Module 4 is OOS (all versions), sigh.....
                    BTW, I love the case.....makes it all look very professional.

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                    @black-cat said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                    The Compute Module 4 is OOS

                    It's terrible right now, for sure. Just a reminder, rpilocator.com may be helpful. I'm asking him if he can add AU/NZ vendors, but I see PiAustralia has starter kits available (not just board, but a kit with a board). Pricey, but if you must have, maybe worth the premium.

                    For anyone it helps, it appears Semaf in Austria has stock of RPI 4B 2GB at the moment, and has since last night.

                    Update: Core Electronics (AU) also has the starter kit and the desktop kit in stock, and both come with a Pi 4 board.

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                      If anyone is interested, I've published my model for the Compute Module 4 case on printables.com.

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                        @black-cat I run Reactor and Portainer on a Pi4 without any issues.

                        The Pi is running Node-Red (bare metal), and in Docker: Teslamate (includes Teslamate, Grafana, Traefik, PostgreSQL, MQTT), Reactor (includes InfluxDB for Reactor, Chronograf, Telegraf), Gotify (a self-hosted notification platform), and a Tesla Powerwall integration (includes 2nd instances of Telegraf and InfluxDB, Grafana, and pypowerwall). Fifteen containers when you add Portainer itself. The Portainer GUI makes this all much easier to manage.

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                          @Alan_F , thanks for the reply.
                          The difficulty I have is not running it but setting MSR configuration.
                          I haven't been able to locate where the config files reside. @toggledbits, could MSR have a goto button for setting the configs in the Tools page?
                          That would make setting configs extremely easy.

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                            @Alan_F , thanks for the reply.
                            The difficulty I have is not running it but setting MSR configuration.
                            I haven't been able to locate where the config files reside. @toggledbits, could MSR have a goto button for setting the configs in the Tools page?
                            That would make setting configs extremely easy.

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                            @black-cat said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                            I haven't been able to locate where the config files reside.

                            They live in the config subdirectory of the directory you created. You're using Portainer? Should be in the configuration of the existing container (it's a binding to /var/reactor inside the container).

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                              Love your printed case, but it is not tall or deep enough to add the PCIE adapter for an m2 SSD. Have you come across any oversized cases for the CM4 IO boards that would accommodate use of the PCI slot.

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                                If you tell me how much more clearance you need, I'd be happy to model a roomier version.

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                                  If you tell me how much more clearance you need, I'd be happy to model a roomier version.

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                                  @toggledbits I have the CM4IO currently installed in a Waveshare CM4-IO-Board- Case-A metal case. The board is mounted to standoffs inside the case. I was able to remove enough of the front rim of the case to be able to mount the board without the cover, so depth is no longer an issue (There was already a small cutout area in the rim.) Overall the case is 6 7/8" wide x 4 1/8" deep x 1 1/8" high. It needs about another 1 1/2" in height, making the total height 2 1/2". I appreciate your offer to model a roomier case, but I don't have a 3D printer so it would be of little use to me. I guess that I will have to run it without a cover until the market catches up, assuming that the CM4 on CM4 IO is selling well.

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                                    @black-cat said in Cheapest platform on which to run MSR:

                                    I haven't been able to locate where the config files reside.

                                    They live in the config subdirectory of the directory you created. You're using Portainer? Should be in the configuration of the existing container (it's a binding to /var/reactor inside the container).

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                                      @retireditguy your question is OT for this thread and belongs in its own topic. Please start a new topic for your question. Also, please refer to the posting guidelines before (re)asking your question.

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