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[Solved] Limit HA Entity in MSR
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Reactor (Multi-System/Multi-Hub) Announcements
toggledbitsT
Build 21228 has been released. Docker images available from DockerHub as usual, and bare-metal packages here. Home Assistant up to version 2021.8.6 supported; the online version of the manual will now state the current supported versions; Fix an error in OWMWeatherController that could cause it to stop updating; Unify the approach to entity filtering on all hub interface classes (controllers); this works for device entities only; it may be extended to other entities later; Improve error detail in messages for EzloController during auth phase; Add isRuleSet() and isRuleEnabled() functions to expressions extensions; Implement set action for lock and passage capabilities (makes them more easily scriptable in some cases); Fix a place in the UI where 24-hour time was not being displayed.
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Organizing/ structuring rule sets and rules
R
Hi guys, Just wondering how you guys organize your rule sets and rules. I wish I had an extra layer to have some more granularity, but my feature request was not popular. Maybe there are better ways to organize my rule sets. I use the rule sets now primarily for rooms. So a rule set per room. But maybe grouping by functionality works better. Any examples/ suggestions would be appreciated.
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Moving MSR from a QNAP container to RP 5 - some issues
Tom_DT
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Widget deletion does not work and landing page (status) is empy
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Need help reducing false positive notifications
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Deleting widgets
tunnusT
Hopefully a trivial question, but how do you delete widgets in a status page? Using build 22266
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MQTT configuration question
tunnusT
I have the following yaml configuration in local_mqtt_devices file x_mqtt_device: set_speed: arguments: speed: type: str topic: "command/%friendly_name%" payload: type: json expr: '{ "fan": parameters.speed }' While this works fine, I'm wondering how this could be changed to "fixed" parameters, as in this case "fan" only accepts "A", "Q" or a numeric value of 1-5?
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System Configuration Check - time is offset
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Hi! I get this message when I'm on the status tab: System Configuration Check The time on this system and on the Reactor host are significantly different. This may be due to incorrect system configuration on either or both. Please check the configuration of both systems. The host reports 2025-04-01T15:29:29.252Z; browser reports 2025-04-01T15:29:40.528Z; difference 11.276 seconds. I have MSR installed as a docker on my Home Assistant Blue / Hardkernel ODROID-N2/N2+. MSR version is latest-25082-3c348de6. HA versions are: Core 2025.3.4 Supervisor 2025.03.4 Operating System 15.1 I have restarted HA as well as MSR multiple times. This message didn´t show two weeks ago. Don´t know if it have anything to do with the latest MSR version. Do anyone know what I can try? Thanks in advance! Let's Be Careful Out There (Hill Street reference...) /Fanan
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Programmatically capture HTTP Request action status code or error
therealdbT
I have a very strange situation, where if InfluxDB restarts, other containers may fail when restarting at the same time (under not easy to understand circumstances), and InfluxDB remains unreachable (and these containers crashes). I need to reboot these containers in an exact order, after rebooting InfluxDB. While I understand what's going on, I need a way to reliable determine that InfluxDB is not reachable and these containers are not reachable, in order to identify this situation and manually check what's going on - and, maybe, in the future, automatically restart them if needed. So, I was looking at HTTP Request action, but I need to capture the HTTP response code, instead of the response (becase if ping is OK, InfluxDB will reply with a 204), and, potentially, a way to programmatically detect that it's failing to get the response. While I could write a custom HTTP controller for this or a custom HTTP virtual device, I was wondering if this is somewhat on you roadmap @toggledbits Thanks!
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ZwaveJSUI - RGBWW BULB - Warm/Cold White interfered with RGB settings - Bulb doesn't change color if in WarmWhite state.
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Hi , I'm on -Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25067-62e21a2d -Docker on Synology NAS -ZWaveJSUI 9.31.0.6c80945 Problem with ZwaveJSUI: When I try to change color to a bulb RGBWW, it doesn't change to the RGB color and the bulb remains warm or cold white. I tryed with Zipato RGBW Bulb V2 RGBWE2, Hank Bulb HKZW-RGB01, Aentec 6 A-ZWA002, so seems that it happens with all RGBWW bulb with reactor/zwavejsui. I'm using from reator the entity action: "rgb_color.set" and "rgb_color.set_rgb". After I send the reactor command, It changes in zwavejsui the rgb settings but doesn't put the white channel to "0", so the prevalent channel remains warm/cold White and the bulb doesn't change into the rgb color. This is the status of the bulb in zwavejsui after "rgb_color.set" (235,33,33,) and the bulb is still warmWhite. x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor={"warmWhite":204,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} The "cold white" and "warm white" settings interfer with the rgb color settings. Reactor can change bulb colors with rgb_color set — (value, ui8, 0x000000 to 0xffffff) or rgb_color set_rgb — (red, green, blue, all ui1, 0 to 255) but if warm or cold white are not to "0", zwavejsui doesn't change them and I can't find a way to change into rgb or from rgb back to warm white. So if I use from reactor: rgb_color set_rgb — (235,33,33) in zwavejsui I have x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: targetColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: targetColor 14/03/2025, 16:43:57 - value updated Arg 0: └─commandClassName: Color Switch └─commandClass: 51 └─property: currentColor └─endpoint: 0 └─newValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─prevValue └──warmWhite: 204 └──coldWhite: 0 └──red: 235 └──green: 33 └──blue: 33 └─propertyName: currentColor In zwavejsui, the bulb changes rgb set but warm White remains to "204" and the bulb remais on warm White channel bacause is prevalent on rgb set. x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_0=204 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_1=0 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_2=235 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_3=33 x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_currentColor_4=33 Is it possible to targetColor also for "warmWhite" and "coldWhite" and have something similar to this? x_zwave_values.Color_Switch_targetColor={"warmWhite":0,"coldWhite":0,"red":235,"green":33,"blue":33} Thanks in advance.
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Problem with simultaneous notifications.
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Problem after upgrading to 25067
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MSR had been running fine, but I decided to follow the message to upgrade to 25067. Since the upgrade, I have received the message "Controller "<name>" (HubitatController hubitat2) could not be loaded at startup. Its ID is not unique." MSR throws the message on every restart. Has anyone else encountered this problem? I am running MSR on a Raspberry Pi4 connecting to two Hubitat units over an OpenVPN tunnel. One C8 and a C8 Pro. Both are up-to-date. It appears that despite the error message that MSR may be operating properly.
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Global expressions not always evaluated
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[Solved] Local expression evaluation
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[Solved] Runtime error when exiting global reaction that contains a group
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I am getting a Runtime error on different browsers when I click exit when editing an existing or creating a new global reaction containing a group. If the global reaction does not have a group I don't get an error. I see a similar post on the forum about a Runtime Error when creating reactions but started a new thread as that appears to be solved. The Runtime Error is different in the two browsers Safari v18.3 @http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:44 You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community. Google Chrome 133.0.6943.142 TypeError: self.editor.isModified is not a function at HTMLButtonElement.<anonymous> (http://192.168.10.21:8111/reactor/en-US/lib/js/reaction-list.js:171:34) You may report this error, but do not screen shot it. Copy-paste the complete text. Remember to include a description of the operation you were performing in as much detail as possible. Report using the Reactor Bug Tracker (in your left navigation) or at the SmartHome Community. Steps to reproduce: Click the pencil to edit a global reaction with a group. Click the Exit button. Runtime error appears. or Click Create Reaction Click Add Action Select Group Add Condition such as Entity Attribute. Add an Action. Click Save Click Exit Runtime error appears. I don’t know how long the error has been there as I haven’t edited the global reaction in a long time. Reactor (Multi-hub) latest-25060-f32eaa46 Docker Mac OS: 15.3.1 Thanks
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Cannot delete Global Expressions
SnowmanS
I am trying to delete a global expression (gLightDelay) but for some strange reason, it comes back despite clicking the Delete this expression and Save Changes buttons. I have not created a global expression for some times and just noticed this while doing some clean-up. I have upgraded Reactor to 25067 from 25060 and the behaviour is still there. I have restarted Reactor (as well as restarting its container) and cleared the browser's cache several times without success. Here's what the log shows. [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:22.690Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:26.254Z <GlobalExpression:NOTICE> Deleting global expression gLightDelay [latest-25067]2025-03-08T23:50:27.887Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } Reactor latest-25067-62e21a2d Docker on Synology NAS
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Local notification methods?
CatmanV2C
Morning, experts. Hard on learning about the internet check script in MSR tools, I was wondering what suggestions anyone has about a local (i.e. non-internet dependent) notification method. This was prompted by yesterday's fun and games with my ISP. I've got the script Cronned and working properly but short of flashing a light on and off, I'm struggling to think of a way of alerting me (ideally to my phone) I guess I could set up a Discord server at home, but that feels like overkill for a rare occasion. Any other suggestions? TIA C
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Custom capabilities in MQTT templates
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Hi, I'm trying to integrate the sonos-mqtt (https://sonos2mqtt.svrooij.io/) with the MSR and it's coming along nicely so far. But cannot wrap my head around how to define custom capabilities in MQTT templates. I need this for the TTS announcements and similarly for the notification sounds where I would pass the sound file as parameter. So this is what I have in the local_mqtt_devices.yaml capabilities: x_sonos_announcement: attributes: actions: speak: arguments: text: type: string volume: type: int delay: type: int And this is the template: templates: sonos-announcement: capabilities: - x_sonos_announcement actions: x_sonos_announcement: speak: topic: "sonos/cmd/speak" payload: expr: > { "text": parameters.text, "volume": parameters.volume, "delayMs": parameters.delay, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" } type: json So the speak action should send something like this to topic sonos/cmd/speak { "text": "message goes here", "volume": 50, "delayMs": 100, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" } At startup the MSR seems to be quite unhappy with my configuration: reactor | [latest-25016]2025-02-09T08:19:59.029Z <MQTTController:WARN> MQTTController#mqtt entity Entity#mqtt>sonos-announcement unable to configure capabilities [Array][ "x_sonos_announcement" ] reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} has unrecognized capability {1:q} in actions reactor | Trace: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | at _T (/opt/reactor/server/lib/i18n.js:611:28) reactor | at AlertManager.addAlert (/opt/reactor/server/lib/AlertManager.js:125:25) reactor | at MQTTController.sendWarning (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Controller.js:627:30) reactor | at MQTTController.start (/var/reactor/ext/MQTTController/MQTTController.js:268:26) reactor | at async Promise.allSettled (index 0) Configuration for "sonos-announcement" has unrecognized capability "x_sonos_announcement" in actions Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM Configuration for "sonos-announcement" is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: x_sonos_announcement Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM This is probably a pretty stupid question and the approach may not even work at all, but maybe someone or @toggledbits for sure, could point me to the right direction. Basically the idea is to be able to send TTS messages from reactions using entity actions. I've previously used HTTP requests to Sonos HTTP API (https://hub.docker.com/r/chrisns/docker-node-sonos-http-api/) for the same functionality, but since moving to sonos-mqtt, I need a way to send the TTS notifications using MQTTController. Along with the actual message, volume and delay must also be parameterizable. br, mgvra MSR latest-25016-d47fea38 / MQTTController [0.2.24293]
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[SOLVED]Hass websocket falsely reporting ready on boot??
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Hi, @toggledbits I just noticed that following a reboot of my raspberry pi, some of the rules, that I was expecting to recover, are not catching up following a reboot. I have made a simple test rule (rule-m6rz6ol1) with only "after Date/time" as trigger and "turn on a lamp" as a set reaction. All my infrastructure is on the same board so Reactor, Hass, Zwavejs, ... are all rebooting. Here is the sequence of the test case (All time converted to Zulu to match logs): Rule "after Date/Time" set to 14:05:00z Shutdown on Raspberry Pi at 14:04:00z Power back up at 14:08:00z Rule overview shows true as of 14:08:14z waiting for 00:00:00 in GUI From the log I can see that MSR is picking up the rule and knows that the state of the rule has changed from false to true and tries to send the update to HASS but failed with websocket error. Here is what I see from the log: 14:04:04z shutdown complete 14:08:08z Power up 14:08:13.111z websocket connection 14:08:15:323z Reaction to the light failed, Websocket not opened After there is a series of websocket connection attempt until 14:08:51z where it seemed to be really ready. Back in 2021 we had a discussion (https://smarthome.community/topic/700/solved-start-up?_=1738766986566) and you proposed to add a startup_delay:xxxx and startup_wait:xxxx parameter in the engine section of "reactor.yaml". When I try the startup_delay (this used to be a hard delay), the engine failed to start (I think). I then try the startup_wait:xxxx without any success. Since it wait for the connection status to be up to cancel the delay, it does not do anyting since Hass is reporting the socket up without really being up ( I think...). Questions: Did I figured it all wrong? should the startup_delay:xxxxx have worked? Any ideas? Here is the log: OK now I am stuck. I did add the log but when I submit the editor complained saying that I am limited to 32767 characters. The log from the shutdown to the time the websocket is stable is about 300000 character long. What are my options?
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    Reposting here because core people seem to be here daily.

    Hello Everyone,

    I am using iPhone locator on Vera, and yesterday it stopped working. Looking at the logs, I can see the connection is refused, but nothing on my end changed. iPhone locator is really important in my particular setup, so I guess I have two questions.

    Is it broken, or is it me?
    I don't see anyone else saying there is an issue, but I am not sure how many people are still using it (or Vera for location) at this point. I installed it on a blank Vera test controller, same issue. It might be something with the iCloud account, but it works everywhere else.

    Is there something similar on another platform?

    Mainly what I would like is the ability to force a poll of iCloud location on demand. I have a bunch of triggers setup, including magnetic sensors in my driveway to sense vehicles and determine if the motion is egress or ingress. These triggers in conjunction with MSR have been a great way to double check phone location, and I would hate to lose this functionality. It looks like HA might have something with "iCloud3". Is anyone using it?

    Thanks,
    Mike

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      Many of us here are using OwnTracks. It’s very reliable for me/my wife and it’s instant. Take a look at old discussions.

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        Many of us here are using OwnTracks. It’s very reliable for me/my wife and it’s instant. Take a look at old discussions.

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        @therealdb Thanks DB. I also looked at that, but I will check it out more thoroughly.

        I wanted to try to keep the force refresh option available, but looking quickly, I didn't think there was a way to do that. I really liked the behavior of asking the phone, "where do you think you are, and do me a favor and double-check just to be sure." Using that one feature stopped a lot of delayed or false location reports during a critical event, but in fairness, maybe this stuff has gotten good enough that it won't be an issue.

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          Many of us here are using OwnTracks. It’s very reliable for me/my wife and it’s instant. Take a look at old discussions.

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          @therealdb I;ve had to delete it for the now. Too much stuff going on to look at it, but seemed the notifications on the phone were pretty random.

          I will revisit at some point

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            @therealdb Thanks DB. I also looked at that, but I will check it out more thoroughly.

            I wanted to try to keep the force refresh option available, but looking quickly, I didn't think there was a way to do that. I really liked the behavior of asking the phone, "where do you think you are, and do me a favor and double-check just to be sure." Using that one feature stopped a lot of delayed or false location reports during a critical event, but in fairness, maybe this stuff has gotten good enough that it won't be an issue.

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            @mikereadington it’s constantly refreshing, so your use case doesn’t seems to be useful in my scenario.

            @CatmanV2 yes, don’t use the messages as they come. You need to filter them. I’m using global variables to maintain the status, but maybe the new metadata could be enough.

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              @mikereadington it’s constantly refreshing, so your use case doesn’t seems to be useful in my scenario.

              @CatmanV2 yes, don’t use the messages as they come. You need to filter them. I’m using global variables to maintain the status, but maybe the new metadata could be enough.

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              @therealdb yeah I need to find time to sit down and deal with it / understand it properly.

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                Looks like it's an overall thing. I've just checked the two devices on OpenLuup. Both of them are reporting 'No Devices for this account, check network/credentials'

                They can been seen on Find my. The user and pass are correct. Logs

                2022-10-07 17:54:39.684   luup_log:55: IPhoneLocator: iCloud refused access, Check credentials ?
                

                My logs only go back to yesterday but this appears consistent since then.

                (I know I'm not sticking to the posting guides but I'm not actually asking for help simply confirming that it seems rather bust)

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                  I see @amg0 has an account but also has never posted. The code hasn't been updated for some years. I'll have a poke at some of the settings (on the phone) but I'm not hopeful....

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                    Final note I suspect: My device checked in 1707 05/10/2022 BST and has not checked out since
                    Mrs C's device checked out 0800 05/10/2022 BST and never checked in, although she came home at about 1800 that night (it was our wedding anniversary so we're pretty clear on that)

                    So that narrows down the window a chunk....

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                      @CatmanV2 Well, at least I know it was not just me. I knew this day was coming because he had said something in August when it was broken that he didn't know if it was fixable because of Apple's API. I am thinking they kicked everything that did not use 2FA authentication.

                      @therealdb I set up Owntracks on Hubitat because it was easy, and I could play with it. Looks like it is very flexible. How hard is it on the battery? I realize mileage will vary a lot on this, but that was a feature I liked about the iPhone locator app. It ran using Apple's "Find My" that was already running on the phone. It's slow to update, but if I needed to know where the phone was, I would force a poll of location from the app. Since I started refining my logic in MSR I have been using manual polling almost exclusively. Thanks again for the point in this direction.

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                        Something of note from OwnTracks with iOS.

                        "Why do location publishes sometimes seem to cease to work?
                        Here's what happens:
                        If the app goes into Background, the connection is disconnected because the app cannot maintain the TCP connection in background.
                        If you bring the app back into foreground, the app will re-connect.
                        When a location change is recorded (no matter if manual, significant, move or region mode), a message is prepared and an attempt to connect to the broker is started. If there is an error, connect will be retried after 2, 4, 8, ..., 64, 64, .... seconds until it succeeds.
                        BUT...
                        If the application is in background or is sent to the background, retries are restarted eventually - depending on iOS' background execution model about every 10 minutes.
                        With automatic modes switched off, even when bringing the app to foreground, no new location updates are generated."

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                        • MikeReadingtonM MikeReadington

                          @CatmanV2 Well, at least I know it was not just me. I knew this day was coming because he had said something in August when it was broken that he didn't know if it was fixable because of Apple's API. I am thinking they kicked everything that did not use 2FA authentication.

                          @therealdb I set up Owntracks on Hubitat because it was easy, and I could play with it. Looks like it is very flexible. How hard is it on the battery? I realize mileage will vary a lot on this, but that was a feature I liked about the iPhone locator app. It ran using Apple's "Find My" that was already running on the phone. It's slow to update, but if I needed to know where the phone was, I would force a poll of location from the app. Since I started refining my logic in MSR I have been using manual polling almost exclusively. Thanks again for the point in this direction.

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                          @mikereadington said in iPhone location or alternative.:

                          I am thinking they kicked everything that did not use 2FA authentication.

                          Quite quite possible

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                          • MikeReadingtonM MikeReadington

                            Something of note from OwnTracks with iOS.

                            "Why do location publishes sometimes seem to cease to work?
                            Here's what happens:
                            If the app goes into Background, the connection is disconnected because the app cannot maintain the TCP connection in background.
                            If you bring the app back into foreground, the app will re-connect.
                            When a location change is recorded (no matter if manual, significant, move or region mode), a message is prepared and an attempt to connect to the broker is started. If there is an error, connect will be retried after 2, 4, 8, ..., 64, 64, .... seconds until it succeeds.
                            BUT...
                            If the application is in background or is sent to the background, retries are restarted eventually - depending on iOS' background execution model about every 10 minutes.
                            With automatic modes switched off, even when bringing the app to foreground, no new location updates are generated."

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                            @mikereadington and this precisely explains the issues I saw. And makes perfect sense (I'm engaged with a company that is developing an a for iOS and Apple's restrictions and what happens when an App backgrounds (read 'is stopped') are quite severe.

                            Taking this, and my own recent experience into account, I don't think Owntracks is going to be viable. In fact, given the limitations from Apple I'm not sure anything is going to be viable for a geofence 😞

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                              @mikereadington and this precisely explains the issues I saw. And makes perfect sense (I'm engaged with a company that is developing an a for iOS and Apple's restrictions and what happens when an App backgrounds (read 'is stopped') are quite severe.

                              Taking this, and my own recent experience into account, I don't think Owntracks is going to be viable. In fact, given the limitations from Apple I'm not sure anything is going to be viable for a geofence 😞

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                              iOS has a background system to preserve battery life. It’s designed to be reliable and to not impact battery life. If you define your zones (I have home and office) at the very same moment you’ll cross the boundaries, a message is sent. I’m on my 2nd year with the system and never missed a bit. I also have a Bayesian sensor to detect if I’m connected to WiFi, and this is used as a second factor to confirm I’m home. But generally speaking, the entry/exit is totally demanded to OwnTracks.

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                              • therealdbT therealdb

                                iOS has a background system to preserve battery life. It’s designed to be reliable and to not impact battery life. If you define your zones (I have home and office) at the very same moment you’ll cross the boundaries, a message is sent. I’m on my 2nd year with the system and never missed a bit. I also have a Bayesian sensor to detect if I’m connected to WiFi, and this is used as a second factor to confirm I’m home. But generally speaking, the entry/exit is totally demanded to OwnTracks.

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                                CatmanV2
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                                #15

                                @therealdb It is indeed so designed, but that's not what I am seeing in terms of behaviour. Of course I may have misconfigured it on my phone so I am happy to be corrected!

                                (but I'll probably bug you for help) 😉

                                But not right now

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                                • therealdbT therealdb

                                  iOS has a background system to preserve battery life. It’s designed to be reliable and to not impact battery life. If you define your zones (I have home and office) at the very same moment you’ll cross the boundaries, a message is sent. I’m on my 2nd year with the system and never missed a bit. I also have a Bayesian sensor to detect if I’m connected to WiFi, and this is used as a second factor to confirm I’m home. But generally speaking, the entry/exit is totally demanded to OwnTracks.

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                                  #16

                                  @CatmanV2 I concur with @therealdb here, I've been using the OwnTracks on iOS via the Hubitat app integrations and it works well. I also use, as a secondary, a Home Assistant integration called iCloud3 which mitigates the 2FA issues you found with iPhone Locator. I've seen no noticeable battery issues (once I had iC3 configured correctly.)

                                  @toggledbits got me into OwnTracks when he had his Logo trial up and running.

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                                    CatmanV2
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                                    #17

                                    Well I fully expect to be wrong 🙂 I know that Geolocation is one of the use cases that Apple permit (or at least tolerate) in their process (and it's documented in the Owntracks literature as well as being the workaround for our devs.

                                    I strongly suspect I fubarred the config somewhere (possibly as basic as not allowing full location services, for example). I had a crack this morning and I have the phone claiming it's connected, and reactor claiming it's connected (yay)

                                    I need to get the entity installed but that's another day

                                    C

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                                      #18

                                      Trying to follow the posting guidelines.....

                                        - id: mqqt
                                          enabled: true
                                          implementation: MQTTController
                                          name: Mosquito
                                          config:
                                            source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
                                            username: xxxxx 
                                            password: xxxxx
                                            entities:
                                              catman_iphone:
                                                name: "Catman Phone"
                                                topic: FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504
                                                uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                                      

                                      Claims to be valid YAML in https://yamlchecker.com/

                                      But when I add the last 4 lines to my reactor.yaml msr will not start:

                                      Reactor log stops:

                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 has shut down.
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <app:NOTICE> Closing Structure...
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Stopping controllers...
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <VeraController:NOTICE> VeraController#vera stopping
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.321Z <VeraController:ERR> Controller VeraController#vera is off-line!
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <MQTTController:NOTICE> MQTTController#mqqt stopping, sending LWT
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <DynamicGroupController:NOTICE> DynamicGroupController#groups stopping
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <DynamicGroupController:ERR> Controller DynamicGroupController#groups is off-line!
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <SystemController:NOTICE> SystemController#reactor_system stopping
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.371Z <SystemController:ERR> Controller SystemController#reactor_system is off-line!
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.372Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Final data sync...
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure Structure#1 stopped
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <app:NOTICE> Stopping timers...
                                      [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.380Z <app:NOTICE> Shutdown complete, process ID 27723
                                      

                                      As soon as I replace the original version of reactor.yaml

                                        - id: mqqt
                                          enabled: true
                                          implementation: MQTTController
                                          name: Mosquito
                                          config:
                                            source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
                                            username: xxxx 
                                            password: xxxx
                                      

                                      Everything springs to life.

                                      I can't see an error in my syntax. Do I need to have the region in there (although I've tried both with and without)

                                      It's going to be something obvious / stupid but hopefully I'm learning at least a little

                                      TIA

                                      C

                                      The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....

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                                      • CatmanV2C CatmanV2

                                        Trying to follow the posting guidelines.....

                                          - id: mqqt
                                            enabled: true
                                            implementation: MQTTController
                                            name: Mosquito
                                            config:
                                              source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
                                              username: xxxxx 
                                              password: xxxxx
                                              entities:
                                                catman_iphone:
                                                  name: "Catman Phone"
                                                  topic: FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504
                                                  uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                                        

                                        Claims to be valid YAML in https://yamlchecker.com/

                                        But when I add the last 4 lines to my reactor.yaml msr will not start:

                                        Reactor log stops:

                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 has shut down.
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.316Z <app:NOTICE> Closing Structure...
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Stopping controllers...
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.317Z <VeraController:NOTICE> VeraController#vera stopping
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.321Z <VeraController:ERR> Controller VeraController#vera is off-line!
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <MQTTController:NOTICE> MQTTController#mqqt stopping, sending LWT
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.366Z <DynamicGroupController:NOTICE> DynamicGroupController#groups stopping
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <DynamicGroupController:ERR> Controller DynamicGroupController#groups is off-line!
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.369Z <SystemController:NOTICE> SystemController#reactor_system stopping
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.371Z <SystemController:ERR> Controller SystemController#reactor_system is off-line!
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.372Z <Structure:INFO> Structure#1 Final data sync...
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <Structure:NOTICE> Structure Structure#1 stopped
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.379Z <app:NOTICE> Stopping timers...
                                        [latest-22274]2022-10-08T17:32:39.380Z <app:NOTICE> Shutdown complete, process ID 27723
                                        

                                        As soon as I replace the original version of reactor.yaml

                                          - id: mqqt
                                            enabled: true
                                            implementation: MQTTController
                                            name: Mosquito
                                            config:
                                              source: "mqtt://192.168.70.249:8883/"
                                              username: xxxx 
                                              password: xxxx
                                        

                                        Everything springs to life.

                                        I can't see an error in my syntax. Do I need to have the region in there (although I've tried both with and without)

                                        It's going to be something obvious / stupid but hopefully I'm learning at least a little

                                        TIA

                                        C

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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #19

                                        @catmanv2 the logs are not complaining, so maybe the error was written before.

                                        values are escaped with " in the docs, give it a try (ie: "catman_iphone" and topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504")

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                                          CatmanV2
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          Thanks

                                          Tried

                                            entities:
                                                  catman_iphone:
                                                    name: "Catman Phone"
                                                    topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                                                    uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                                                    regionName: Home
                                          

                                          and

                                            entities:
                                                  "catman_iphone":
                                                    name: "Catman Phone"
                                                    topic: "FFCEB043-B975-490E-B051-198473F6A504"
                                                    uses_template: owntracks_in_region
                                                    regionName: Home
                                          

                                          With no discernible difference

                                          C

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