Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device
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I regret my decision to click "Configure Node Right Now" on an otherwise working device (a Fibaro RGBW LED dimmer control) while it was "Off". Doing so seems to have caused all of its "children" devices (RGB(R), RGB(G), etc.) to disappear from my Vera UI, and I have no idea how to get them back.
Meanwhile, the parent device keeps reporting "Device Failed to Configure" (in red)** and cannot be controlled by Vera any longer. Nor do the attached LEDs go "On" in response to other Scenes.
How do I undo this innocent mistake? Restarting the Luup engine and hard-refreshing my browser/UI has not helped.
THANKS!
P.S. What does that button DO!??!
EDIT: Now the affected device reports (in light blue) "Please wait! Getting the manufacturer...", then "Setting special association", etc. Then 8 unnamed devices magically appeared in the affected room...
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UPDATE: Yes, I was a fool. But at least Vera slowly brought each of the child devices back into the UI, albeit with vastly changed Device Numbers. Fortunately, MSR kept track of the old dev# for each, and I was able to systematically go back and update the
idfor each, rename them correctly, place them in appropriate rooms, etc.PHEW! Disaster averted.
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- Undo = recover from backup so always backup before any configuration step.
- The configuration process is a disaster on the vera because it is much too device specific and because of the insane chattiness of the z-wave network created by its stupid and destructive "maintenance features". A lot of retries and luck are necessary to capture a time window where the messages go through (at least on larger networks and even more so with security class devices). Also the fact that the configuration are unnecessary linearly sequenced makes it restart from scratch every time... Z-way is night and day in all of these respects.
- There is a profound design issue on the vera whereby the term "configuration" confuses parameters stored on the vera and the ones on the device. Other platforms give you a choice to read or write the device parameters on either list... not so on the vera which has the tendency to want to rewrite everything on the device by default according to its device specific configuration which is not always correct.
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If you're on 7.32, run this:
vera/Scripts/ZwaveStabilization.lua at master · dbochicchio/vera
LUA Scripts for the eZlo Vera Platform (UI7). Contribute to dbochicchio/vera development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Many thanks, Gents! A comfort knowing that I am neither the first nor last to spazz in this manner.
@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
Many thanks, Gents! Nice believing that I am neither the first nor last to spazz in this manner.
Radical thought, but you could move to Openluup
Then all these problems would vanish...like tears in the rain......
C
The Ex-Vera abuser know as CatmanV2.....
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@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
Many thanks, Gents! Nice believing that I am neither the first nor last to spazz in this manner.
Radical thought, but you could move to Openluup
Then all these problems would vanish...like tears in the rain......
C
@catmanv2 said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
Radical thought, but you could move to Openluup
Too true! It's time. I've intentionally been putting off the move for years, principally because I struggle to "remain stock" for the sake of other non-tech savvy users.
That mission hasn't paid many dividends, up to and including getting booted from the old Forum despite being in the Top 10 Contributors column, LOL.
Promise I'll give it a try as soon as I'm done beta testing MSR!! (One thing at a time, eh?)
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Can't speak enough praise of openLuup but you already would expect that. I chuckle these days at my initial reaction to @akbooer's long post about his experience on the vera, introducing openLuup and my dismissive attitude: "another one complaining... I am not seeing these problems (yet), I am sure they are overstated and just take a little more experimenting to make the vera work..." Gosh how wrong was I! I did try though.
openLuup takes all the things done right on the vera, fixes a number of wrongs and demonstrates that the vera platform (lua engine, luup, API, plugin concept) could have been more than viable and scalable. To this day, I still prefer writing my automation and plugins on lua in openLuup over home-assistant (which I am finding horrible at this with all kinds of jinja templating and yaml mix) or in java (I used iobroker for some time) or Groovym the language used by hubitat. -
While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal. Hence my clinging to stock setups, with minimal round trips through IFTTT (gone from the mix now), Stringify (dead), Google Scripts, etc. Would not even touch PLEG due to this philosophy!
It was not until I discovered Reactor that I began delving into fancy automations, still click-and-play, very little coding. And it was not until I realized what ezlo's endgame TRULY was (despite 1-2 years of obfuscation, deception and outright lies) that I began "thinking outside the box" and planning a move toward another controller. (FYI, owing to your recommendations, Hubitat is at the top of my list, with the ISY994i close behind!)
And it wasn't until @toggledbits came along with MSR that the door began to really open, to where I will feel comfortable jumping ship entirely. Whatever I do, it's gotta have significantly higher reliability and WAF than ever before. That's why I haven't left the house in nearly 3 weeks of testing MSR down to the bare metal; it's my lifeline of the future. All bets are in!
If OpenLuup helps me oil the hinges of that door, all the better!!
P.S. I'm not saying I want ezlo to fail; if they achieve even 80% of what has been promised, theirs too will be controllers well worth considering (and I already own two of them!). But that is clearly years down the road, if ever, and I ain't got time for that!!
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While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal. Hence my clinging to stock setups, with minimal round trips through IFTTT (gone from the mix now), Stringify (dead), Google Scripts, etc. Would not even touch PLEG due to this philosophy!
It was not until I discovered Reactor that I began delving into fancy automations, still click-and-play, very little coding. And it was not until I realized what ezlo's endgame TRULY was (despite 1-2 years of obfuscation, deception and outright lies) that I began "thinking outside the box" and planning a move toward another controller. (FYI, owing to your recommendations, Hubitat is at the top of my list, with the ISY994i close behind!)
And it wasn't until @toggledbits came along with MSR that the door began to really open, to where I will feel comfortable jumping ship entirely. Whatever I do, it's gotta have significantly higher reliability and WAF than ever before. That's why I haven't left the house in nearly 3 weeks of testing MSR down to the bare metal; it's my lifeline of the future. All bets are in!
If OpenLuup helps me oil the hinges of that door, all the better!!
P.S. I'm not saying I want ezlo to fail; if they achieve even 80% of what has been promised, theirs too will be controllers well worth considering (and I already own two of them!). But that is clearly years down the road, if ever, and I ain't got time for that!!
@librasun I totally understand your philosophy and tried to stick with stock setups as well but who has the time and patient to wait for Ezlo to accomplish a fraction of what is available already today.
That said, I'm so thrilled I started migrating to openLuup and MSR, best decision ever! Sure it's not going to be easy for anyone to take over this setup but the possibilities and stability is totally worth it.@akbooer and @toggledbits you guys rock!!
Homebridge is the key for Apple devices regarding manual control for WAF.
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While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal. Hence my clinging to stock setups, with minimal round trips through IFTTT (gone from the mix now), Stringify (dead), Google Scripts, etc. Would not even touch PLEG due to this philosophy!
It was not until I discovered Reactor that I began delving into fancy automations, still click-and-play, very little coding. And it was not until I realized what ezlo's endgame TRULY was (despite 1-2 years of obfuscation, deception and outright lies) that I began "thinking outside the box" and planning a move toward another controller. (FYI, owing to your recommendations, Hubitat is at the top of my list, with the ISY994i close behind!)
And it wasn't until @toggledbits came along with MSR that the door began to really open, to where I will feel comfortable jumping ship entirely. Whatever I do, it's gotta have significantly higher reliability and WAF than ever before. That's why I haven't left the house in nearly 3 weeks of testing MSR down to the bare metal; it's my lifeline of the future. All bets are in!
If OpenLuup helps me oil the hinges of that door, all the better!!
P.S. I'm not saying I want ezlo to fail; if they achieve even 80% of what has been promised, theirs too will be controllers well worth considering (and I already own two of them!). But that is clearly years down the road, if ever, and I ain't got time for that!!
@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal
Just think about how a normal mortal would look at this most recent experience.......
C
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While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal. Hence my clinging to stock setups, with minimal round trips through IFTTT (gone from the mix now), Stringify (dead), Google Scripts, etc. Would not even touch PLEG due to this philosophy!
It was not until I discovered Reactor that I began delving into fancy automations, still click-and-play, very little coding. And it was not until I realized what ezlo's endgame TRULY was (despite 1-2 years of obfuscation, deception and outright lies) that I began "thinking outside the box" and planning a move toward another controller. (FYI, owing to your recommendations, Hubitat is at the top of my list, with the ISY994i close behind!)
And it wasn't until @toggledbits came along with MSR that the door began to really open, to where I will feel comfortable jumping ship entirely. Whatever I do, it's gotta have significantly higher reliability and WAF than ever before. That's why I haven't left the house in nearly 3 weeks of testing MSR down to the bare metal; it's my lifeline of the future. All bets are in!
If OpenLuup helps me oil the hinges of that door, all the better!!
P.S. I'm not saying I want ezlo to fail; if they achieve even 80% of what has been promised, theirs too will be controllers well worth considering (and I already own two of them!). But that is clearly years down the road, if ever, and I ain't got time for that!!
@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal.
I also applaud the sentiment, but rather doubt this.
Whilst I'm (somewhat) invested in openLuup, I've begun simplifying and standardizing my HA environment, gradually weeding out Vera (not quite done yet), RPi (in favour of a Synology NAS), Zwave (in favour of Philips Hue and Sheelies.) Even then, I have no doubt that the final result will be for my survivor to call an electrician and rip everything out.
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@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal.
I also applaud the sentiment, but rather doubt this.
Whilst I'm (somewhat) invested in openLuup, I've begun simplifying and standardizing my HA environment, gradually weeding out Vera (not quite done yet), RPi (in favour of a Synology NAS), Zwave (in favour of Philips Hue and Sheelies.) Even then, I have no doubt that the final result will be for my survivor to call an electrician and rip everything out.
@akbooer said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal.
I also applaud the sentiment, but rather doubt this.
Whilst I'm (somewhat) invested in openLuup, I've begun simplifying and standardizing my HA environment, gradually weeding out Vera (not quite done yet), RPi (in favour of a Synology NAS), Zwave (in favour of Philips Hue and Sheelies.) Even then, I have no doubt that the final result will be for my survivor to call an electrician and rip everything out.
Only when it stops working, though. Which of course it will.
But ours, right now, just works. So much so that on the very few occasions Alexa stops, I'm damned if I can recall how to control it manually.
Worse, even though I documented all my Reactors with notes in every instance, I still have to reverse engineer what happens when I do something different.C
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Without openLuup and the excellent Ezlo Bridge, my Ezlo Plus would just annoy me and make me want to go somewhere else, as they kind of hinted with the ban raid.
Big thanks to @mrFarmer ! for making use of the very beta product they shipped.@crille said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
Without openLuup and the excellent Ezlo Bridge, my Ezlo Plus would just annoy me and make me want to go somewhere else, as they kind of hinted with the ban raid.
Big thanks to @mrFarmer ! for making use of the very beta product they shipped.Indeed, The capability to support all the wireless stacks and offering an API to control the stack should have been a day 0 pre-release requirement. I am glad they got there and kind of wished they stuck with the vera API to ease the transition but certainly @mrFarmer 's work made up for it.
@librasun said in Instant regret after clicking "Configure Node Right Now" on device:
While I greatly admire the "roll your own" set, I've promised my significant other that -- if I die -- everything Vera and Alexa do to run our home will be maintainable by a normal mortal. Hence my clinging to stock setups, with minimal round trips through IFTTT (gone from the mix now), Stringify (dead), Google Scripts, etc. Would not even touch PLEG due to this philosophy!
This is the philosophy that most people who migrated away to hubitat have had in mind. Prioritizing ease of management over capability and flexibility and even then, some learning curve is required. Just keep in mind though that any cloud dependency will defeat that in a whiff. Anytime you will have a cloud dependent integration (IFTTT, google, ecobee, alexa) you are exposing yourself to the life and decision of that company. Any time they change something on their cloud or if they go bankrupt or get bought, you will need a great amount of expertise to make the changes/maintenance if that is even possible. I took this goal to an extreme where I am no longer afraid of going through very complex setup so long as it works without maintenance. The only way to do this is to make everything run independent from the cloud. The only maintenance which would be required on my setup would be to change batteries... Everything else just self starts and syncs up without anything ever being exposed to cloud server disruptions, changes or quirks all within a single machine: My QNAP NAS. Near 0 maintenance required...
None of my cameras are connected to the cloud, no image processing, no voice commands recording, No TTS commands... Absolutely nothing. All is processed within the house and all the data remains here in one machine which turns on with the push of a button. And indeed, everything runs a lot faster too.
So it is a trade off of short term ease of setup and maintenance (maybe) with lower level of capability vs. much more capable setup with a larger amount of setup work upfront resulting in nearly no maintenance... I understand the experience with the vera though which can be traumatizing and leading to the thought that complex implementation leads to complex maintenance. This doesn't have to be true. In most cases, it is actually the opposite. It is only true when they break all the time... vera style.
