[MSR] Copy&past of actions and/or drag&drop between set/reset

[cw-kid]

@rafale77 I'll take a closer watch over it and see, it may have been 10 minutes.

[cw-kid]

I tripped the Everspring motion sensor and then untripped it. Started a stop watch and I'm up to 13 minutes now and the error has just come back again. Also the motion sensor hasn't been re-tripped again during this time.

[rafale77]

I have two of these everspring sensors and have no problem with them. I highly recommend to reconfigure it. Now I don't know why the error would come back. There has to be another mechanism causing this. Likely some variable not set properly.

[cw-kid]

OK Ill take it down the Everspring from the Porch and have a look at it.

The Neo Cool Cam is also giving me this same "Can't detect device" error that one never even had a LastWakeUp variable present, until I ran your code.

I have a Fibaro motion sensor and that seems OK though.

[rafale77]

Ok I now have another recollection of a mechanism by which the vera flags these devices as failed... It is from the database in the zwave chip itself. The only way to reset this on the vera is to get the device reconfigured because a flag was set at the serial level. On Z-way you can remove this flag with a click but the vera doesn't offer this option. So... you should not see these anymore after you have the devices reconfigured. The way I previously addressed this was running the vera on a USB stick and then stick it into a windows PC and use the PC controller software from silabs to reset the failed flag before sticking it back into the vera. there should also be a serial command from the command line to do this on the vera but I forgot...

[cw-kid]

@rafale77 Is Z-Way good then? It's from Z-Wave.me right.

They are also the main Z-Wave distributors for Europe based in Germany.

I only need two projects to support a Z-Wave platform that could be used as just a radio. MSR and The Home Remote dashboard app.

[rafale77]

@cw-kid

Z-way is indeed the most comprehensible zwave network controller I know. I used it as a tool alongside the vera for some time before completely replacing the vera thanks to @akbooer's bridge updates for openLuup. I could do and see all kinds of things on my zwave network which obviously the vera doesn't offer and is a great part of why I have learned as much as I have about the vera quirky zwave management.

Specifically for you problem, this is the screenshot of what z-way offers. You can manually mark a device as failed or unmark it (I don't have this option right now because I don't have any failed devices) on the right. There are also a lot of explanation everywhere on the UI as to what each thing does. You can force secure and unsecure inclusions etc etc... so many other things. And yes it works awesomely well with openLuup to which you can transfer all your scenes and plugins. You will be able to get MSR to work with it.

[cw-kid]

So Z-way is the Z-Wave controller / radio.

Then OpenLuup sits in the middle somewhere and can run Vera plugins and has a HTTP API like Veras Luup Requests?

Openluup can Bridge to the Z-Way controller to control the Z-Wave devices.

And MSR can talk to OpenLuup.

That about right?

Just trying to understand how it all fits together.

[rafale77]

You got that right.

[cw-kid]

And does OpenLuup expose an SDATA stream like Vera does?

If so then Home Remote dashboard app will work with it also as is.

In fact I seem to recall some members on the Vera forum saying they were using Home Remote with OpenLuup.

[cw-kid]

So what is the UI? Do you need to use ALTUI with OpenLuup?

Z-way controller will have its own UI which you just did your screen shot from.

Openluup is the bit in the middle I don't really understand.

[rafale77]

Yes, It mimics the vera. The UI for openLuup is indeed ALTUI. You can treat z-way as if it was the vera. Just like the vera you can run openLuup on top of it to relief it of its plugin and automation duty. This was the very purpose of openLuup: Offloading the vera from automation and plugin which using the vera as the zwave/zigbee radio. The vera will still have its UI just as Z-way does but your plugin and automations will be on openLuup and you can copy them over from the vera. This was a great way to stabilize the vera and also make its crashes less impactful. In order to function with all the various plugins, it reproduces an identical API to the vera so for example, my Homewave mobile app works the same, my habridge works the same, heck I could even set openLuup as a child to home assistant using the vera integration component and it is also how I am testing MSR at the moment.

[cw-kid]

OK I understand the overview now.

I think I'd like to go this direction long term, especially interested in Z-way, I don't think Ezlo is going to cut it as a Z-Wave or Zigbee hub yet and their crap Vera mobile app, I can't believe they didn't just ditch it and start from scratch to build a new mobile app, rather than trying to build on top of it, for the Ezlo platform. It was bad to begin with the Vera app.

I guess we will need to play with their Web GUI first, trying to do anything in the Vera mobile app is pointless .

You and the other banned outcasts LOL won't of seen it, they just posted on the Vera forum a few screen shots of the illusive new web GUI and their "Reactor" style logic engine.

Maybe I can post their screen shots here.

[rafale77]

Ahh now I remember the other dumb thing the vera does that I had requested to disable... wakeup poll. No idea where that came from but for battery devices which wakeup, the vera polls them. I have no idea why but it extends the power up time of the device and wastes battery and zwave airtime.

As for the GUI... we have ALTUI for Mobile App, Homewave or Imperihome. What they've been doing for 2 years? No idea, it's pretty but it's not as configurable and does nothing new compared to what we have had for years before their acquisition so... nope, not interested in looking at a Ferrari dashboard mounted on a Lada.

[cw-kid]

With the latest version of MSR I can now see more Capabilities exposed.

There are two for "failed" x_vera_device.failed and zwave_device.failed

I've changed my rule to trigger on x_vera_device.failed being true and then the reaction to run the LUA code.

So now anytime the motion sensor goes to a failed state its corrected right then.

This will do for now as a work around.

Thanks

[cw-kid]

@rafale77

I have taken down one of the problem motion sensors the Everspring SP816. In Vera I manually polled the sensor OK. I then tried to reconfigure the sensor but it did not work Vera said: ERROR: Unable to get any information on node

So stupidly I unpaired the sensor and paired it again, which worked but it added it as a GenericIO device not a motion sensor. I then changed its device files to be a motion sensor and also set the wakup interval to 86400 and polling to 0. These changes seem to have taken affect. However after a Luup Reload it says Waiting for device to wake up to configure.

So then I wake up the sensor by pressing the tamper button and it never configures. It always gets stuck on Please wait! Getting the manufacturer...

I've pressing the Configure Node Now button and then waking the sensor but it says again ERROR: Unable to get any information on node

The sensor is inches away from the Vera Plus when doing this also.

GRRR Pulling hair out.

[cw-kid]

Started over, deleted the motion sensor from Vera and paired it again. This time I did each thing I had to do to configure it, one by one and more slowly and now its all configured again correctly. So maybe the first time I made a mistake somewhere and that is why it would not configure the device.

I will have to monitor it to see if the "Can't Detect Device" error comes back ?

[rafale77]

@cw-kid

Yeah, one of the notorious problems with vera I have extensively posted about in the old place. There is a command queuing issue, I begged them to fix with the zwave serial API, combined with an excessive amount of unnecessary traffic generated by the controller from their "maintenance" and your network becomes very prone to inclusion process lags and failures forcing you to often have to retry inclusions and relying on luck.