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Hello! My name is Svetlana, I'm a UX/UI designer working on a design for a smart home app. I want to know about the experience of using any smart home application (be it MiHome, Tuya, Home Assistant, etc.) and your own thoughts. If you have a similar experience and want to help, please write to me in private. Your participation will help me make the product better and understand the needs of real users. I'm looking forward to communicating with you! Thank you.

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Whole house audio wiring. Looking for new use
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Hi. So when I had my house build I ran a bunch of stuff, one of which being two pairs of speaker wires to each bedroom and to 4 spots around my living room… Over the years I have used them here and there with different success.. But today they sit in my walls just unused.

I converted all the cat6 or 5e (I don’t remember) over to basically eithernet jacks. The cable coaxial well it’s there but now unused. But I was thinking there has got to be some use for two pairs of speaker wires to each room. Can I make them usb plugs? Not sure so looking for ideas.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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    Trying to research the sweet spot post-vera. After a lot of research heres what I came up with, help me understand if this is correct.

    I view HA as client / server with the server being my back-end Z-wave engine (Zway, Vera, hass-openzwave) and the client being the front end UI (OpenLuup, HASS, VeraUI, AltUI)

    For me the key differentiator seems to be on the client side, particularly in regard to apps. That is those things that are not zwave but need to interact with my HA system (Nest, Alexa, Hue, Siri, Ecobee, Doorbird, video, weather, ect.)

    It looks to me like OpenLuup has the strongest eco-system of apps, and largest matrix of support for what I need (without a monthly fee).

    My plan is to migrate the Vera devices to a new zway "server" and then use OpenLuup with her apps. Am I on the right path?

    I currently run a OpenLuup "client" "on" my vera "server" as a "bridge"

    Am I correct in understanding that the zway server is currently the most proficient back-end engine?

    TIA
    |-<:)

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    Hi prophead,

    I think you understand correctly.
    The best integration server, supporting the widest range of APIs is actually home assistant. Being open-source and having an enormous amount of developers and maintainers, I don’t actually foresee any commercial solution catching up to it in the short term.

    openLuup in terms of integration offers a lot too but not nearly to the same degree as Home Assistant. openLuup benefits from being able to run all of the plugins developed for vera for years. What it does have though is two main advantages: The automation interface, and scripting, what you call the front end, is far easier and very powerful with the use of lua. In that respect, many Home Assistant users end up running also Node Red which offers this similar advantage compensating for this weaker area of home assistant. The other advantage is, if you come from vera, is the ease of migration and familiarity... you can have all of your scenes and plugins pretty much seamlessly transferred over and now with the z-way bridge, you can also transfer the devices without including/excluding.

    Now on the back end, the wireless stack and device manager, z-way and HomeSeer are both far ahead of the seemingly abandoned vera on the z-way side. On Zigbee almost anything is better than vera as it was never really invested in it. After trying pretty much every platform, I found z-way to be the most advanced, most flexible and most powerful zwave manager. It’s weakness is in the front end which is why I use openLuup there and have also bonded Home Assistant to openLuup manually to add all of the Home assistant integrations to openLuup while retaining and expanding my former vera codes and automation.

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    Thanks for this thoughtful and informative reply, it’s really helpful.
    What do you have in HA thats not in OL?

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    I have a lot of integrations:
    BMW Connected drive (Car location, status, AC, lock control)
    Eight Sleep
    Brother Printers as sensors
    Xiaomi robot and air filters
    Facial recognitions on all my IPcams.
    Foobot
    I also use it as my zigbee bridge (using the vera's radio chip)
    unifi POE switches so I can power cycle everything POE controlled.

    All of these are bridged back into virtual devices in OL. OL remains the master controller and HA is just a device bridge. It either triggers scenes, updates device variables on OL or executes device actions commanded by OL.

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    I have to ask; brother printers as sensors?

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    Yes:

    Screen Shot 2020-05-01 at 12.48.20.png

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    @rafale77 said in differentiation:

    Facial recognitions on all my IPcams.

    Using .... ?

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    You have a couple of local options:

    Home Assistant

    Facebox

    Facebox

    Detect and recognize faces with Facebox.

    Home Assistant

    Dlib Face Identify

    Dlib Face Identify

    Instructions on how to integrate Dlib Face Identify into Home Assistant.

    And there are additional ones cloud based, one of them is:

    Home Assistant

    Microsoft Face Identify

    Microsoft Face Identify

    Instructions on how to integrate Microsoft Face Identify into Home Assistant.

    You will notice from the version introduced for these components that these are 2-3 or even 4 year old capabilities so forgive me for chuckling at what is going on in the "other place".

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    Just to show you how it looks like on the ALTUI/OpenLuup Dashboard.

    Screen Shot 2020-05-01 at 13.12.36.png

    And compare to the top screen of HA.

    Screen Shot 2020-05-01 at 13.10.43.png

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    I'm having 6 outdoor IPCam and think to take the one you proposed for the "ring" at the front door!

    Right now, all of them are just connect in Synology "Surveillance" but I would like to have something more "intelligent" for sure!

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    Can I run both HAss and openluup off of the same zway server?

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    You can. The API is not exclusive.

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