Guys, the best possible answer is to make our home automation setup work the way we want it in reliable and efficient manner, with or without our EOL veras but with each other's help. That's what we are seeking after all. While keeping our minds open, exploring all the novelties and discussing what we can do to continuously innovate improve and optimize. The vera had an awesome forum with tremendous community of developers. I sensed the end of an era and as much of our time and energy we have spent there, it was not all wasted. The best answer is to move on, not only for the sake of answering but also to refocus on what we aim to do: A community to grow, develop, debate, explore smart home technologies.

rafale77
Following on from my last thread, some progress has been made over the weekend.
With 18G of spanky RAM in my Synology DS224+. I've jumped into the murky world of virtualisation and already eliminated the need for two Raspberry Pi's from my system.
Home Assistant: In theory they provide an OVA file which is supported by the Synology. I couldn't get it to work, however, so grabbed a copy of the .img file they supply, renamed it .iso and imported it as a VM. Restored from my full back up and that all seems fantastic.
Minidnla Music server: Trivial. Grabbed a Debian .iso for Bookworm and copied that onto the NAS. Created a new machine which mirrored the specs of the Raspberry Pi, booted from the ISO then did an expert install. Once that was all stable with a basic core of stuff and networking, I've made a copy of that as a good base system. Then fired up minidnla on it, mounted my media and that's also woking. Not bad for a short weekend's work.
Still not sure about the main NUC though. I'm thinking of buying a new USB stick so I can mess around getting it working on the Synology before I do anything drastic.
Once that hurdle is sorted I'm torn between:
Using a brand new install of Bookworm, re-installing Z-way server, OpenLuup, AltUI, MSR and HA bridge, then restoring across or Making an ISO of the current system, importing that and upgrading in place (which will be pretty risk free since I can snapshot everything before I make any changes.)Decisions, decisions.
C
Morning, experts. Hard on learning about the internet check script in MSR tools, I was wondering what suggestions anyone has about a local (i.e. non-internet dependent) notification method.
This was prompted by yesterday's fun and games with my ISP.
I've got the script Cronned and working properly but short of flashing a light on and off, I'm struggling to think of a way of alerting me (ideally to my phone)
I guess I could set up a Discord server at home, but that feels like overkill for a rare occasion. Any other suggestions?
TIA
C
Hi everyone. Thanks for all your input recently on the topic of local notifications. I think we got some really interesting solutions 🙂
Back to more prosaic matters. Most of you will know that I've been messing around with this stuff for some years. My last major change was when I migrated from Vera, which was something like 4-5 years ago.
While my system has grown, it's not really altered very regularly, although I try to keep most of it kind of up to date.
Current set up:
Intel NUC that runs:
Bare metal install of Debian
Z-way server with Z-wave.me USB stick
Openluup
Altui
Multi system reactor
HA Bridge
Mosquito
Raspberry Pi
Running Home Assistant
About 40 varied Z-wave and Wifi devices
I also have a Synology DS224+ which may inform some responses.
Home Assistant recovery is pretty simple. I get a full backup of the system every night dumped onto my SAN and I know from experience that it would simply be a case of booting up a new install and feeding it the backup.
The NUC on the other hand....
Coming from a commercial IT world, I am becoming more and more conscious that I don't really feel I have a suitable disaster recovery plan, and my core system is running on hardware heading for 10 years old.
My initial thought, which I've kept putting off as it's awkward would be to grab a nice SSD, reboot the NUC into Mint or something similar and simply do a dd copy onto a new drive. I can get a replacement NUC on ebay simply enough, and keep it in a cupboard if anything other than the hard drive fails on the existing one, but this feels rather like a stop gap. However one immediate question:
If I had to use the replacement NUC would all the Z-wave devices simply carry on talking to the stick, or would they all need to be re-paired?
How easy would it be to move everything the NUC does (as a start) onto the NAS? Create a VM and clone the disc onto it?
Should I move to Docker? Something else?
What are the hive mind's thoughts?
Apologies if we've done this before, but while it all just works...
Cheers!
C
Morning world. Looking for some thoughts on recent experience 🙂
Yesterday my ISP had something of a catastrophic failure (in theory not yet fixed but seems OK for now)
While this is annoying for several reasons, one thing that I wasn't expecting was for AltUI to become pretty much un-usable.
Unless I have a tab already open and active, connecting to the Home page is pretty much random / impossible, just presenting with a white page and (sometimes) 'Waiting for initial data' on the bottom. Everything works (i.e. where I have controllers or Reactions I can trigger, they function flawlessly) it's just something of a pain since 99.9% of my control is via Alexa now, and not being able to access devices in AltUI makes things like turning some lights of a bit tricky 😉
I suspect that this is due to AltUI trying to pull licence info and Weather data, and failing. What I should do is probably access the OpelLuup console direct and see if that works better in future.
Does that make sense to anyone, or am I completely off track?
Cheers
C
Hi all. First post so please be gentle.
I have an Eachen two-gang smart wall switch wired no neutral (with capacitor) connected to existing bathroom lights which works perfectly. It's also wired to a Sonoff Mini R4 Extreme connected to LED lights. I want the LED lights to switch on when the bathroom lights switch on (and vice versa). The Mini R4 works separately on my phone via Ewelink as well as on the Mini R4 itself (physical button). The switch is installed inside the wall and the rest of the components are in the ceiling / attic / roof cavity. The Mini R4 is set to Edge switch mode which works in my example I wired.
How I wired it:
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I have a video showcasing the example I wired today works. I could share it if required. Ignore the white cable. I only used it to power the example.
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The wiring diagram I used for the mini R4.
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I wired it together with the existing lights of the bathroom so that L1 switches on both the Mini R4 and the bathroom lights:
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This is the wiring diagram for the Eachen switch:
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The Eachen's first gang (L1) doesn't trigger the Mini R4 in any way.
Any help or advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
R
Hi,
I'm trying to integrate the sonos-mqtt (https://sonos2mqtt.svrooij.io/) with the MSR and it's coming along nicely so far.
But cannot wrap my head around how to define custom capabilities in MQTT templates. I need this for the TTS announcements and similarly for the notification sounds where I would pass the sound file as parameter.
So this is what I have in the local_mqtt_devices.yaml
capabilities: x_sonos_announcement: attributes: actions: speak: arguments: text: type: string volume: type: int delay: type: intAnd this is the template:
templates: sonos-announcement: capabilities: - x_sonos_announcement actions: x_sonos_announcement: speak: topic: "sonos/cmd/speak" payload: expr: > { "text": parameters.text, "volume": parameters.volume, "delayMs": parameters.delay, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" } type: jsonSo the speak action should send something like this to topic sonos/cmd/speak
{ "text": "message goes here", "volume": 50, "delayMs": 100, "onlyWhenPlaying": false, "engine": "neural" }At startup the MSR seems to be quite unhappy with my configuration:
reactor | [latest-25016]2025-02-09T08:19:59.029Z <MQTTController:WARN> MQTTController#mqtt entity Entity#mqtt>sonos-announcement unable to configure capabilities [Array][ "x_sonos_announcement" ] reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | i18n: missing fi-FI language string: Configuration for {0:q} has unrecognized capability {1:q} in actions reactor | Trace: Configuration for {0:q} is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: {1} reactor | at _T (/opt/reactor/server/lib/i18n.js:611:28) reactor | at AlertManager.addAlert (/opt/reactor/server/lib/AlertManager.js:125:25) reactor | at MQTTController.sendWarning (/opt/reactor/server/lib/Controller.js:627:30) reactor | at MQTTController.start (/var/reactor/ext/MQTTController/MQTTController.js:268:26) reactor | at async Promise.allSettled (index 0) Configuration for "sonos-announcement" has unrecognized capability "x_sonos_announcement" in actions Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AM Configuration for "sonos-announcement" is incomplete because the following requested capabilities are undefined: x_sonos_announcement Controller: MQTTController#mqtt Last 10:21:37 AMThis is probably a pretty stupid question and the approach may not even work at all, but maybe someone or @toggledbits for sure, could point me to the right direction.
Basically the idea is to be able to send TTS messages from reactions using entity actions. I've previously used HTTP requests to Sonos HTTP API (https://hub.docker.com/r/chrisns/docker-node-sonos-http-api/) for the same functionality, but since moving to sonos-mqtt, I need a way to send the TTS notifications using MQTTController. Along with the actual message, volume and delay must also be parameterizable.
br,
mgvra
MSR latest-25016-d47fea38 / MQTTController [0.2.24293]
Hi, @toggledbits
I just noticed that following a reboot of my raspberry pi, some of the rules, that I was expecting to recover, are not catching up following a reboot. I have made a simple test rule (rule-m6rz6ol1) with only "after Date/time" as trigger and "turn on a lamp" as a set reaction. All my infrastructure is on the same board so Reactor, Hass, Zwavejs, ... are all rebooting.
Here is the sequence of the test case (All time converted to Zulu to match logs):
Rule "after Date/Time" set to 14:05:00z Shutdown on Raspberry Pi at 14:04:00z Power back up at 14:08:00z Rule overview shows true as of 14:08:14z waiting for 00:00:00 in GUIFrom the log I can see that MSR is picking up the rule and knows that the state of the rule has changed from false to true and tries to send the update to HASS but failed with websocket error.
Here is what I see from the log:
14:04:04z shutdown complete 14:08:08z Power up 14:08:13.111z websocket connection 14:08:15:323z Reaction to the light failed, Websocket not opened After there is a series of websocket connection attempt until 14:08:51z where it seemed to be really ready.Back in 2021 we had a discussion (https://smarthome.community/topic/700/solved-start-up?_=1738766986566) and you proposed to add a startup_delay:xxxx and startup_wait:xxxx parameter in the engine section of "reactor.yaml". When I try the startup_delay (this used to be a hard delay), the engine failed to start (I think). I then try the startup_wait:xxxx without any success. Since it wait for the connection status to be up to cancel the delay, it does not do anyting since Hass is reporting the socket up without really being up ( I think...).
Questions:
Did I figured it all wrong? should the startup_delay:xxxxx have worked? Any ideas?Here is the log:
OK now I am stuck. I did add the log but when I submit the editor complained saying that I am limited to 32767 characters. The log from the shutdown to the time the websocket is stable is about 300000 character long. What are my options?
Not a big issue simply a request if easily doable.
The MSR logs files inside the container are owned by root witch is fine however, the permissions are very restrictive. I do not know if there is something wrong with my installation but the logs permission are set to 222 (write only). Even if the docker volume is set for Read/Write the log files are retaining these values.
I go around the problem by doing a chmod 777 on all reactor logs but every time there is an MSR log rotation the permissions are set back to 222. So unless the permission are implemented in the container there is no permanent solution to this (that I know of).
I do not know much about Docker container so I do not know what is involved here.
Can the logfiles permission be simply chaged in the container to at least allow "other" read permission?
Could the MSR log rotation routine implement a chmod to set the permission?
Just a small anoyance
Thanks
@toggledbits In the MSR documentation, under Standard Capabilities, I noticed that the
button.since attribute was deprecated as of version 22256 and the metadata is the preferred way to access the last-modified time of an attribute.
Am I reading this right? Should I stop using it in my rules?
Thanks
When on my bare metal RPi with MSR I had a rule that ran every minute to check Internet status via a script in MSR called reactor_inet_check.sh
I've moved to containerized MSR and see in the instructions that this cannot be run from the container.
The script cannot run within the Reactor docker container. If you are using Reactor in a docker container, the script needs to be run by cron or an equivalent facility on the host system (e.g. some systems, like Synology NAS, have separate task managers that may be used to schedule the repeated execution of tasks such as this).
I've put a script on my container host that calls the reator_inet_check.sh script and it isn't erroring... but I still see the internet status within MSR as null.
Before I go diving down the rabbit hole... should this work?
My cronjob on the proxmox host:
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The contents of msr_internet_check_caller.sh
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Just bought a couple of generic smart plugs and set them up easily using SmartLife app in the house I then plugged one into a workshop over 100m away This workshop has a hardwired internet connection with a separate wireless access router (not mesh) after doing a reset on the device and pairing to the new router it actually works from the house when my phone is connected to a completely separate wifi network - how is that possible ?
I did read something about these devices connecting to a server somewhere in China similar to IP cameras but there is no lag
I need to replace about 15 traditional wall light switches (no neutral wire) to turn on/off all lights with one operation inside the warehouse. And still maintain the ability to control each light individually.
The preference is not to set up a Wifi for each switch to reduce the number of devices connected to the network, and also, they change the Wifi password regularly, so they do not want to change all 15 switches.
I am looking for some solution that will achieve this with either Bluetooth/RF or any other technology.
The warehouse dimensions are about 100ftx100ft with sheetrock walls.
Please assist.
Background: this is a Windows MSR install I've done for our local pool/amenity center just to run some fans and lights (not my daily driver at home). Install went perfectly fine.
Scenario: I want the lights to go on when it's dark enough (even if during a storm, not just after sunset) so I'm using solarRadiation from my weather station to drive that Trigger. Easy stuff.
Issue: sometimes, someone goes in the office and just starts flipping switches and the result can be lights turned on in the daytime or off at night. I'm trying to create a "catch-all" wherein if it is daytime and the lights somehow find their way ON, they will turn themselves back OFF.
I have the following Reaction built:
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I also have this Reaction for opposite, ie the lights find themselves turned off after dark and they will turn themselves back on:
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Here are my two rules:
288cba86-f941-4157-86d9-d8e7487905f7-image.png *NOTE that in my manual testing, ie I turn on the light switch at the incorrect time, when the solarRadiation level changes the Lights ON rule flags and shows as SET. On the next change of solarRadiation it goes back to reset again.
My expectation is that Lights OFF rule should see the lights are on, the solarRadiation is above the set limit, and turn them off. Instead, every other run, the ON rule moves to SET and then reset again on the following run.
Logs appear angry:
[latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:31.696Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Lights ON<RESET>" (rule-m6e4ajh7:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:31.712Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Lights ON<RESET> (rule-m6e4ajh7:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:31.713Z <Engine:INFO> Lights ON<RESET> all actions completed. [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:42.565Z <wsapi:INFO> client "127.0.0.1#3" closed, code=1001, reason= [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:42.753Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/lang [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:42.754Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/lang from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/lang ACL (#7): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/lang", "allow": true, "index": 7 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:42.790Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:42.839Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 client "127.0.0.1#6" authorized [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:43.353Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/systime [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:43.353Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/systime from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/systime ACL (#5): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/systime", "allow": true, "index": 5 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:48.146Z <wsapi:INFO> client "127.0.0.1#6" closed, code=1001, reason= [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:48.308Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/lang [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:48.309Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/lang from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/lang ACL (#7): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/lang", "allow": true, "index": 7 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:48.346Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:48.390Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 client "127.0.0.1#7" authorized [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:49.412Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/systime [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:49.413Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/systime from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/systime ACL (#5): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/systime", "allow": true, "index": 5 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:52.734Z <wsapi:INFO> client "127.0.0.1#7" closed, code=1001, reason= [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:52.891Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/lang [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:52.892Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/lang from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/lang ACL (#7): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/lang", "allow": true, "index": 7 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:52.925Z <wsapi:INFO> wsapi: connection from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:52.965Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 client "127.0.0.1#8" authorized [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:54.383Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 API request from ::ffff:127.0.0.1: GET /api/v1/systime [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:03:54.384Z <httpapi:INFO> [HTTPAPI]#1 request for /api/v1/systime from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 user anonymous auth none matches /api/v1/systime ACL (#5): [Object]{ "url": "/api/v1/systime", "allow": true, "index": 5 } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:01.590Z <wsapi:INFO> [WSAPI]wsapi#1 rpc_echo [Object]{ "comment": "UI activity" } [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.646Z <Rule:INFO> Lights OFF (rule-m6e33ja3 in Atrium Lights) evaluated; rule state transition from RESET to SET! [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.656Z <Rule:INFO> Lights ON (rule-m6e4ajh7 in Atrium Lights) evaluated; rule state transition from RESET to SET! [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.663Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Lights OFF<SET>" (rule-m6e33ja3:S) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.665Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Lights ON<SET>" (rule-m6e4ajh7:S) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.668Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Lights OFF<SET> (rule-m6e33ja3:S) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.669Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Lights ON<SET> (rule-m6e4ajh7:S) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.669Z <Engine:INFO> Lights ON<SET> all actions completed. [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.675Z <Rule:INFO> Lights OFF (rule-m6e33ja3 in Atrium Lights) evaluated; rule state transition from SET to RESET! [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.680Z <Engine:NOTICE> ReactionHistory: no entry for [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.683Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 entry 256 reaction rule-m6e33ja3:S-1q2f1j0p: [Error] terminated [parent terminating] [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.683Z <Engine:CRIT> Error: terminated [parent terminating] Error: terminated at Engine._process_reaction_queue (C:\Users\Jalan\msr\reactor\server\lib\Engine.js:1644:47) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.699Z <Engine:NOTICE> [Engine]Engine#1 entry 254 reaction rule-m6e33ja3:S: [Error] terminated [preempted by rule state change] [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.699Z <Engine:CRIT> Error: terminated [preempted by rule state change] Error: terminated at Engine._process_reaction_queue (C:\Users\Jalan\msr\reactor\server\lib\Engine.js:1644:47) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.700Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Lights OFF<RESET>" (rule-m6e33ja3:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.704Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Lights OFF<RESET> (rule-m6e33ja3:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:04:39.705Z <Engine:INFO> Lights OFF<RESET> all actions completed. [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:05:48.822Z <Rule:INFO> Lights ON (rule-m6e4ajh7 in Atrium Lights) evaluated; rule state transition from SET to RESET! [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:05:48.831Z <Engine:INFO> Enqueueing "Lights ON<RESET>" (rule-m6e4ajh7:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:05:48.847Z <Engine:NOTICE> Starting reaction Lights ON<RESET> (rule-m6e4ajh7:R) [latest-25016]2025-01-26T22:05:48.847Z <Engine:INFO> Lights ON<RESET> all actions completed.Hi @toggledbits
I found this very old post that talked about a way to limit device reading to avoid the throttled problem, because it's not a question of logic, it's that the device actually sends a lot of information, in my case the NUT ups installed in HE.
https://smarthome.community/topic/687/flapping-device?_=1737652139854
It mentions engine section of reactor.yaml by setting update_rate_limit, but I looked in the current MSR documentation and I can't find this information, so I don't know if it's still valid, its effect and parameters.
My situation is simple, when I have a UPS problem the NUT is sending dozens of reports per second and then I have the throttled problem. The same rule applies when the power is normal.
This is the rule, and the parameter that fails is the Tripp Lite UPS status.
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All error is the same scenario.
[latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.753Z <Rule:WARN> (13) NUT Disconected (rule-l4djr0p7 in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttl> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.756Z <Rule:WARN> (27) Falta de Energia (rule-l4h9ceod in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Thrott> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.769Z <Rule:WARN> (73) UPS Battery Low (rule-l4hj850o in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttl> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.772Z <Rule:WARN> (74) UPS Comm Fail (rule-l4kbs5cp in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttlin> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.776Z <Rule:WARN> (76) UPS Utility Back (rule-l4hjhs6m in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Thrott> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.780Z <Rule:WARN> UPS On Battery (rule-l4hjuka5 in Datacenter) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttling> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:32.781Z <Rule:WARN> UPS Info (rule-l4gheo63 in Datacenter) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttling... [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:40.757Z <Rule:WARN> (13) NUT Disconected (rule-l4djr0p7 in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttl> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:40.759Z <Rule:WARN> (27) Falta de Energia (rule-l4h9ceod in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Thrott> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:40.776Z <Rule:WARN> (73) UPS Battery Low (rule-l4hj850o in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttl> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:40.777Z <Rule:WARN> (74) UPS Comm Fail (rule-l4kbs5cp in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Throttlin> [latest-25016]2025-01-23T12:01:40.778Z <Rule:WARN> (76) UPS Utility Back (rule-l4hjhs6m in Warning) update rate 121/min exceeds limit (120/min)! Logic loop? Thrott>Thanks.
Hello -
Long time. Hope everyone is good.
I have a rule that looks at a number of temperature sensors around the house. It simply sends a general alert if any of them fall below their threshold. (A basic “House is too cold” alert for when we’re away)
Generally, this has worked well. But I was wondering if there’s a way to make the message somewhat dynamic without creating separate rules for each sensor.
E.g. “House is too cold due to Sump Temperature below 45 degrees.”
I thought I remember reading about someone doing this in the past but couldn’t find it.
Thanks for any ideas!
After upgrade from 24366 to 25016 toggle on Vera (openLuup) lock entity doesn't seem to work.
VeraController log level 5
24366:
25016:
[latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.457Z <VeraController:INFO> VeraController#vera perform action toggle.toggle on Lock#vera>device_10016 with [Object]{ } [latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.458Z <VeraController:5:VeraController.js:1210> VeraController#vera no configured implementation for toggle.toggle on Lock#vera>device_10016; calling super [latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.458Z <VeraController:INFO> VeraController#vera perform action lock.set on Lock#vera>device_10016 with [Object]{ "state": false } [latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.461Z <VeraController:5:VeraController.js:1255> VeraController#vera sending action request [Object]{ "newTargetValue": "0", "DeviceNum": 10016, "id": "action", "serviceId": "urn:upnp-org:serviceId:DoorLock1", "action": "SetTarget" } [latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.461Z <VeraController:5:VeraController.js:515> [VeraController:verarequest] requesting http://127.0.0.1:3480/data_request?newTargetValue=0&DeviceNum=10016&id=action&serviceId=urn%3Aupnp-org%3AserviceId%3ADoorLock1&action=SetTarget&output_format=json&_r=1737405025461 ([Object]{ }) [latest-25016]2025-01-20T20:30:25.463Z <VeraController:NOTICE> VeraController#vera action lock.set([Object]{ "state": false }) on Lock#vera>device_10016 succeededI tried to log an issue in Mantis Bug Tracker but I can't log in anymore?
Trying to understand what cause a local expresssion to be evaluated. I have read the manual but I am still not clear about it. Using the test rule below, I can see in the log that the rule is being automatically evaluated every time the temperature entity is changing. That is great...
What I am trying to understand is why the expression is not evaluated based on time as well since the "case" statement has time dependencies.
Any help would be appreciated
I have the following test rule:
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Here is the expressioncode:
vFrom1 = "09:25:00", vFrom2 = "09:30:00", vFrom3 = "09:41:00", vTo = "10:55:00", # Get current time (format HH:MM:SS) vToDay = strftime("%H:%M:%S"), #Get current house temperature CurrentHouseTemp = getEntity( "hass>Thermostat2 " ).attributes.temperature_sensor.value, case when CurrentHouseTemp <= 19 and vToDay >= vFrom1 && vToDay <= vTo: "true1" # From1 when CurrentHouseTemp <= 20 and vToDay >= vFrom2 && vToDay <= vTo: "true2" # From2 when CurrentHouseTemp < 26 and vToDay >= vFrom3 && vToDay <= vTo: "true3" # From3 else "false" endI’ve set up an automation in Apple Home to turn on the lights when the first person arrives. However, the lights also turn on when I leave for work. It seems like the automation is triggered when I cross the geofence, whether arriving or leaving.
I’m using Matter-compatible Tapo smart plugs. Is there a way to fix this behavior?
Hi,
I started home automation in 2013 and using Vera controllers from the start. When Reactor plugin became available (super plugin of @toggledbits !!) I transferred all scenes to Reactor.
I must say everything here works still okay and I have a lot of devices, plugins and Reactors. But I fear at some point my Vera's will stop working.
I recognize many of your names here from the Vera forum. I also was banned a couple of years ago.
Recently I decided to switch to Home Assistant. I already transferred some of my zwave devices from Vera to HA and made some new automations.
I must say HA is great and with huge amount of integrations, add-ons, the HACS store and many examples (like blueprints) the opportunites to increase home automation are huge.
HA will be for sure my central system (incl UI)
But... the learning curve is quite steap (YAML is completely different from Lua/luup).
So for the time being I will keep my most complex Reactor automations.
I already found how I can connect/integrate Vera for binairy sensors via webhooks (as an example: changes in my home modes are directly send from Vera to HA).
Now I also want to use some data like sensors or Reactor variables automatically to HA via https requests (put those in Reactor).
I know I can create virtual sensors in HA via templates.
As an example: I have my own PWS with a rainmeter. In Reactor I compare the amount of rain (in mm) in the actual year with historical figures (past 15 years) and calculate the difference actual vs history in % Every day at 0.00h these figures are updated. I defined variables in Reactor and use Multistring plugin (Variable container) to show the data.
I know several specialists in coding with experience in both Vera and HA are active here on this forum.
Who can help me with this ?
And then MSR...
My first issue: I'm logged into the msr CT as reactor (I used the suggested username just to keep things simple as this is new space for me and I was high off my success of migrating HA over).
When I run
docker pull toggledbits/reactor:latest-amd64... it assigns the \reactor\ subdirectory where installed root ownership. I am absolutely logged in with the correct non-root user.
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Second issue: I copied over the following folders:
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When MSR loads, all of my Global Expressions are missing.
Third issue:
All controllers connect wonderfully (Hubitat, etc)... except HA.
After changing ownership of the logs to reactor again I can see this when MSR calls HA:
Yes, I created a fresh new long-lived access token for the MSR containerized install and updated the reactor.yaml config file correctly.
Honestly, all-in-all, for my total lack of expertise here I'm very pleased that I only have these three issues. But they are def blockers atm.
My RPi bare metal install of MSR hooked right up to the new HA and is humming along just fine (I used hostnames were possible and shuffled some IPs in other places so I wouldn't run into things later that were mapped incorrectly that I'd forgotten about.)
Proxmox 8.3.2 MSR lives in an Ubuntu 24.04 Proxmox container MSR is latest docker versionWhat else can I provide to those smarter than me here?
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Forum Mission StatementWho are we, what is our purpose? A community of smart home user or fans who felt the need for an independent place to share our experience, discuss novelties and ideas and test/develop better tools for home automation. Many of us come from the old Vera community but feel there is a space for non-partisan space to discuss the technology.
Everybody from any platform is welcome to discuss and share even though many of us are starting from the Vera and its much improved derivate, openLuup. We would only ask to for everyone to remain respectful and courteous to one another. Yes! even technical discussions can become heated as opinions can conflict. We respect everyone’s opinion and decisions and expect the same from others.
This forum is hosted benevolently by long time Vera community member DesT.
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Not so quiet around here :)@perh said in Not so quiet around here
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I've asked for them to delete my account, but they say "the jury's still out" in the case of the "SHC mutineers".
Did they actually use the term "mutineers" there?
Are they actually serious? Do they still think that we are properties/employees/soldiers they should have any sort of control over? I hope not.They are booting the most loyal customers, ones who are willing to spend their time providing free customer support to others, sharing their fixes and findings to the community. Customers who are also providing them feedback to make their products better... He forced the creation of this forum with censorship then accuses people of all kinds of things and now is surprised that people are leaving?
Trust me only a very small number of those who have left are here. Many more are on many other platforms ranging from Homeseer to Hubitat to Home Assistant. And the cold hard truth is, that everyone has been much better off after leaving, has a much more reliable and capable system and for those who rely on community forums, have a place to discuss and have fun learning again.
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openLuup IconsThis is a set of openLuup icons to replace the ones which you normally would transfer over from the vera. The only thing for the dimmable lights is that one needs to use a new json file to replace the original light bulb with an vector graphics type which I am also sharing.
icons.zip
D_DimmableLight1.json.zipThis is a sample of the icons on ALTUI:
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Not so quiet around here :)Been trying to refrain myself from replying but here we go...
Instead of repeating what I have said in the past, my view is that ezlo and its leader have a very different view of the market and possibly do not understand what they bought by merging vera.But the basics are:
"But what can you do. Both sides have done things to upset the other."
Sorry but one has to put the context as to who is who back in place here. There is no circumstance under which a business owner should ever treat their customers this way. For anyone running a business, if a customer is upset, you should first asking why. Instead the guy keeps doing what upsets his customers and starts insulting and calling them names. That's unprofessional and unheard of."I think he feels you are all against the Ezlo platform and its future success and you just want your Vera firmware as is, to hack."
Again, instead of feeling this way, he should be asking why? Being the one who tore down the firmware down to the OS level, I think I can speak of it. Certainly "as is" is incorrect. The whys:
- Because it's broken
- Most of the fixes are trivial
- They significantly improve the vera
- They are not fixing it themselves.
Now on the understanding of this home automation market. If you run a market survey, you will see that the vast majority if not all platforms today rely to various degree on community development of external integration, cloud or local, and run on increasingly more powerful hardware. When they bought vera, they inherited a community, a small remnant of hardcore users who have extended the life of the vera to its limits trying to maintain the platform on par with the competition but still somewhat behind. A large number of people have already jumped ship quietly. The most vocal people on the forum are the most loyal supporters of the platform and many stay because of the technical migration barrier to other platforms. I think we were all excited about the prospective of a new hub and an updated platform. I was all in. There are however two bare minimum critical requirements to a new hub:
- Functional equivalency, including all the integrations the plugins supported
- An ease of migration from a vera installation to the new hub.
Sadly what I have observed is a complete disdain of these basic requirements and a development strategy aiming straight down the toilet (excessive focus on mobile app and cloud base processing, disregard of the critical wireless stacks and repeat of past mistakes in conception of the API) while the current product gets increasingly far behind competitive platforms, including open source ones. I kept an open mind, not being an expert on the software side but expressing a lot of concerns. The increasing amount of spamming of the forum with "exciting breakthroughs" and "pure innovations" of things the community has been able to do and better/faster/simpler for years combined with the release of an underwhelming hardware for the new controller, clearly pointing to a focus on minimum cost at the compromise of extendibility and reliability and you can clearly see my disappointment. That was the last straw for me. I predicted last year that the platform would not be ready in a year because of their approach... look at where they are now.
In the meantime, I have moved my zwave network to z-way. Stunningly, the migration is easier than to go from vera to ezlo and it felt like jumping from the stone age to science fiction. Everything became lighning fast... All my secure class problems and latency issues gone. I can no longer find any unsupported devices... etc... And all of my previous integrations are retained and more. So yeah I can see why he is upset but he can only be so at himself. Taking it out on his most loyal customers is... well you're the judge. -
Object RecognitionAnd... it is done! My outdoors IP Cams no longer just detect motion... They detect people, packages, and cars and are now used as openLuup scene triggers!
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System integration roadmapFrom what I recall he likes Scotch better...
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Nuke Vera ScriptScript to disable all the mios/vera proprietary program and broadcast its zwave and zigbee radio serial ports in your network so it can be picked up by another controller... For example z-way.
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Import vera most important topicsThinking about it, I don't think we should be importing posts without the consent of their authors so... I am rewriting, resharing a compacted version of my posts.
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z-way-server 3.1.0 releaselol, yes I can imagine. So far I am seeing a few cosmetic improvements on this new version but since I am rarely ever interacting with the z-way UI, it isn't doing much for me. The upgrade went pretty smoothly though it had to be a little manual.
For those who want to do it on debian/ubuntu, the process is to download the file:wget https://storage.z-wave.me/z-way-server/z-way-server-Ubuntu-v3.1.0.tgz
decompress it:
tar -zxf z-way-server-Ubuntu-v3.1.0.tgz
remove the default config file:
rm z-way-server/automation/storage/*.json
and then overwrite the z-way-server installation folder wherever it is. Mine is in the /opt folder which requires root permission.
sudo cp -r z-way-server /opt/
PS: One notable improvement is in the noise meter. Now the below detection limit shows up as -95dBm instead of a nil value which made the graph looked like the noise remained at a high level. I think it was one of my requests...
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Vera account suspended for a 1000 yearsYeah really don't miss the old forum thanks to @DesT!
Live and let ... be.
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Other Forum feedbackYeah it's not just the website that is fast... the response to feedback is too...
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Vera account suspended for a 1000 years@akbooer said in Vera account suspended for a 1000 years:
Clearly deranged. All I ever wanted to do was support openLuup users, and point out that, under the new regime, that was best done here rather than there!
Didn't need to explain AK. The guy shows us something green and tells us that it is orange. It's be going on since I was there. Everybody else can see that it is green...
@dest said in Vera account suspended for a 1000 years:
Some people are having way too much free time
And not enough neurons...
Talk about forum rules.. so many he made up to justify banning people giving feedback and expressing their problems and obviously not applying them to himself. Community users are not possessions or employees... they are customers. He is dictating that everyone be happy with the trash and lies he is feeding people without asking why customers are unhappy. Honest customer feedback is essential to success. In my line of work, we don't let ourselves make a single customer unhappy... not one.
Let him be.
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Vera account suspended for a 1000 yearsAnd I do want to say for the record, the post which got me banned over there was about 2 things:
- A response to a link to the review article for the ezlo USB powered dongle which obviously was written by a home automation newb journalist who knew nothing about it, making claims which were obviously untrue as I had one on hand myself. I called that false advertising.
- The fact that the ezlo controllers, the ezlo plus was an obvious cost reduced version of the vera plus with everything that matters downgraded and everything which is unimportant brought up to date for cost reduction. It is basically a toy grade device barely good enough as a toy for my then 8 year old lego projects. I was pretty sad seeing all the people spending time and money on 3D printing for a shell which is likely worth more than the content. I am a hardware enthusiast working in the semiconductor industry and am pretty well versed in the grade of these chips, who makes them and how. That was my honest feedback. So I called out the false advertising and the forum spamming.
There is nothing wrong with the hardware of the vera. It is actually a very cleverly designed piece of hardware based on a wireless router which was not utilized appropriately by its mcv firmware developers. Unlike the ezlo, it uses SLC NAND which is bears >100x write cycle lifetime than the garbage ezlo put out (the partitioning of the vera storage was the main problem). It uses an appliance grade CPU which is much more reliable than the toy grade junk in the ezlo plus you can buy as a full system for $7 on aliexpress. I could tell from the build of material that it was reallly a cost reduced and downgraded from the vera plus from the build of material and would have never even tried to run my home on it even someone paid me to do it. The only reason why I am no longer using the vera plus as a radio for openLuup/home assistant or z-way is that I got tired of how prone to bricking these embedded devices are. They take a lot more work to recover when there is a storage problem (data corruption etc) so I went low cost x86/x86 which often can be more energy efficient but are always more cost effective and more reliable.
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Vera account suspended for a 1000 yearsWarm welcome for your first post! This forum only exists thanks to the generosity of @DesT who provided the domain name, hosting and design! We should also be grateful to the venerable mcv/vera for connecting so many people and pioneering this hobby.
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Vera firmware 7.32 betaI have been mostly silent on this forum for some time now with the exception of the occasional notifications for questions addressed to me because I just moved to a new house and my system had been rock solid for over a year... mostly since I got rid of the vera.
I now have to re-build everything from scratch in my new house while I had literally zero reliability issues with my previous setup in spite of its complexity (200+ devices integrated running 3 different software platform interconnected between z-way for zwave, Homeassistant for AI/cameras and the rare cloud integrations or integrations not existing on openLuup/vera and openLuup for scenes/automation/control interface.)
I considered long and hard to sell my old home with the automation but at the end I decided to move as much as I could over mostly because I noticed an increasing trend of the industry to go towards wifi for ease of setup but which cannot scale to large installations and have to encroach into wifi bandwidth. It is getting a bit harder to buy zwave and even zigbee devices. I also didn't want to spend the time to go through the learning curve of hubitat which would have yielded no benefit to my setup.
Dumping the vera was the single biggest improvement to my system and please, no ezlo... They are cost reduced and downgraded controllers to the vera in every important practical aspect.My new setup will be much lighter. Probably will not get to 175 zwave nodes, more likely <100 without the window coverings, fewer lights, fewer sensors. Heck I think I will dump the Phillips hue altogether too. I can't recommend enough migrating away from vera and go to openLuup or MSR in combination with Home Assistant for zigbee and integrations and z-way for z-wave while keeping devices as local as possible by avoiding all the wifi stuff which tend to be cloud dependent (with all their reliability and security disadvantages) and less efficient both in power and RF bandwidth. Still a new adventure...
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Network Key LocationUseful for migration from a vera zwave network to z-way.
Find the vera's S0 network key, close the z-way-server and input the key into the
z-way-server/config/zddx/homeid-DeviceData.xml line 147 at the end of the line networkKey replacing the one z-way created by default when you loaded your uzb on it for the first time.
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Facial recognition triggering automationI have optimized my facial recognition scheme and discovered a few things:
My wifi doorbell, the RCA HSDB2, was overloaded by having to provide too many concurrent rtsp streams which was causing the streams themselves to be unreliable:
Cloud stream
stream to QNAP NVR
stream to home assistant (regular)
stream to home assistant facial recognition.I decided to use the proxy function of the QNAP NVR to now only pull 2 streams from the doorbell and have the NVR be the source for home assistant. This stabilized the system quite a bit.
The second optimization was to find out that by default home assistant processes images every 10s. It made me think that the processing was slow but it turns out that it was just not being triggered frequently enough. I turned it up to 2s and now I have a working automation to trigger an openLuup scene, triggering opening a doorlock with conditionals on house mode and geofence. Now I am looking to offload this processing from the cpu to an intel NCS2 stick so I might test some other components than Dlib to make things run even faster.
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openLuup HangsSorry for reviving this @akbooer but I wanted to give a quick update on lua socket.
I realized that the library used by luarocks is very old (3.0 RC1 from 2013) and that the apt debian/ubuntu version is a little newer (March 2015). The library has since gone through 5 years of development and I just installed the latest github version using this command:luarocks install luasocket --server https://luarocks.org/dev
It compiles the library from the current GitHub master. I am not sure it will help but so far it has not hurt. Will test further...