The expertUI of Z-way has a very interesting menu called analytics which I have not seen on any other controller.
My engineering curiosity and OCD tendency to want to optimize everything lead me to dig into it to see if I could get things working even better... even though nothing seem to be broken since my move from the UI firmware to z-way. So the background noise menu was of particular interest.
So here it is: This was my first shot of the starting block on the left side of this graph and you can see that at around 21:00 I did something to reduce the noise. My zwave.me uzb is connected to the vera through a usb extension cable and a usb hub but initially the vera and usb hub were sitting only a 6-7 inches (20cm) away from the uzb. Keep in mind the scale on both channels. What I did was to move the vera away from the uzb stick, to about 80cm but the big step was for me to use some metal leftover amazon gift card boxes I had from christmas and covered the usb hub with them. The step back up was me moving these macgyver shields around.
Next step is still goofing around with the shields to see if I could optimize further and while I initially made it worse, you can see that it got a little better later on. That USB hub is quite noisy.
After sometime, I just thought that the whole thing is just too sensitive any movement around that area could potentially cause problems. So I decided to remove the hub connected to the vera which really was just allowing to extroot the vera. Since I am no longer using the vera as a vera but only as a remote serial bridge, which doesn't write anything on its drive, I took it out. Again look closely at the scales. It did take the noise down another notch.
Now the stick is still sitting 14inch away from a UPS with a bunch of wall warts connected to it, powering a variety of devices like a hue 2 hub. I had the idea of replacing just the wall wart (AC-DC power supply) for the vera with a POE splitter. Since channel 2 is already hovering around the detection limit, I am only showing channel 1 here
This last step alone enable me to flip this other statistics menu:
It not only significantly decreased the CRC error rate but also made the foreign network impact greater that the CRC error bar negating the success on reception for the first time. When I took a zniffer to look into what these CRC error frames were, I discovered that they were all from my neighbor's network which is distant and have obviously poor signal strength. (Yes I can see his HomeId from the zniffer). The fact that I see less error means that my controller's range is greater. It is now able to recognize frames which are from my neighbor's instead of saying they are corrupted... Also The back off frames number decreased indicating less wasted/repeated frames on the network.
Hey guys ... I've started creating a Docker container for Z-Way.
I was previously using the Razberry2 but found it a bit slow on my Raspberry Pi 3. I could upgrade to a Raspberry Pi 4 but since I already run a dedicated Linux server and many Docker containers I thought it might make more sense to run Z-Way on there.
This container is based on other containers that are no longer updated: (ruimarinho/docker-z-way) and (EugenMayer/docker-image-zway)
I'd love to hear feedback and any improvements that might be needed.
One thing I want to add immediately is to separate the configuration files from the Docker volume but it looks like Z-Way has several user configuration files/directories?$ZWAY_DIR/config/Configuration.xml $ZWAY_DIR/config/Rules.xml $ZWAY_DIR/config/maps $ZWAY_DIR/config/zddx $ZWAY_DIR/automation/user_syscommands $ZWAY_DIR/automation/storage $ZWAY_DIR/automation/userModules $ZWAY_DIR/htdocs/smarthome/user $ZWAY_DIR/config.xml
I have installed my UZB1 stick on my RP4 and want to megrate my device form my Vera to z-way. Now I want to use my Roller shutter 2 in z-way.mev as a scene controller. This is activated by 2x / 3x clicks on the switch. This works perfectly with vera (verabridge) in openluup and reactor using variable LastSceneID and LastScenetime.
When using z-way.me and z-way bridge it works differently. In reactor I see the variable below. I don't know how to use it. Maybe someone else can help me.
Lagging a little here but I just upgraded my z-way-server version and couldn't find much information on their website or even forum.Z-Way builds
What is interesting for the ubuntu/debian version is that it is now released as a .deb package making upgrades much easier. I just downloaded the package and ran:dpkg -i z-way-*.deb
and nothing else. The previous versions required some manual work since it was just a bunch of files for us to overwrite our installations.
From the release note, there could be interesting things for some folks here. It is a pretty long list compared to the previous incremental release.
For all systems backup is a vital part of the long-term usability.
I thought that I describe my set up with Z-way so far. Hopefully others can fill in with their backup thoughts as well. I am sure that there are much more streamlined ways of doing this and hope to learn from you all.
I run Z-way on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ with a daughter RaZberry card. In order to reduce the risk of getting corrupt SD cards I have it running off an SSD. So far this works very well. Setting it up was really easy just reading a standard Raspbian image onto the SSD. The only minor obstacle was that I had to test a few old 2.5" enclosures to find one that the Pi liked.
The Pi is then also powered via an UPS, hopefully this will avoid problems in the event of power outages.
In order to backup Z-way I have so far done manual backups from the regular Smarthome backup & restore function creating .zab files and from the Expert UI creating .zbk files. As far as I have understood the .zab files which are bigger contain more information than the .zbk files. The strategy so far has been to make backup files after each inclusion/exclusion. Also before updating Z-way. I have yet to test restoring from these files.
From Smarthome it is also possible to set up cloud backup. I have not yet set up this as I need to decide that it is safe enough to do so. On the other hand I had this set up on my two Veras.
It would have been nice to be able to schedule a local backup of Z-way instead of having to put them in the cloud, perhaps from OpenLuup via the Z-way bridge?
In addition to the built in backup function I try to do complete image copies of the SD cards on my Pi's with Win32DiskImager. When I moved to an SSD the image file grew to the size of the SSD since it is a raw copy including all the empty space. Image files of 160GB are not practical to handle so I found a good instruction on how to shrink the .img file with Gparted in Linux: https://steemit.com/raspberrypi/@wizzle/shrink-raspberry-pi-images-using-windows-virtualbox-running-raspberry-pi-desktop
By shrinking the .img file with Gparted it is now a more reasonable 4GB. These file are stored on my NAS for safekeeping. The strategy here so far is to make a new image file before updating Z-way and to use these in combination with more frequent Z-way backups.
I have tested restoring a Gparted shrinked .img file to the SSD when my Z-way for some strange reason became unreachable through the regular UI but remained reachable through the Expert UI. Always good to test the restore function and to see that it works. 🙂
The downside of the .img strategy is that I need to power-off the Pi for a while when making the backup. However if the Z-way backup files work then the complete .img backup need not be done so very often.
Have found these videos very informative as a zway(ve) novice ....Z-Wave Network Diagnostics with Z-Way controller Z-Way webinar series: Z-Way Advanced Usage Z-Way webinar series: Introduction to Z-Way Home Automation
Have a number of TKB plug switches (TZ68) that are not reporting to the controller. Believe they should be associated to Z-Way in Group 1 but am not able to get the devices to report groups in the interview/call for NIF process and so there are no associations possible. Thermosat is telling them to come on/off (hurrah!) but they don't report their on/off status in the gui.
In Associations tab: Can not configure associations: groups were not reported by the device. Do interview.
Night and day difference for me. I think I was getting a lot of interference in my media closet. Devices were very slow to respond and sometimes not at all. Switched to UZB and used a USB extender to place it a good 5 ft from the location of my pi. Now things are fast and reliable.
(Solved - presume pijuice hat was upset battery wasn't connected. Took out the plastic protector and UZB now showing. Next - upgrade UZB firmware)
Have I missed something? UZB not showing up in Zway ...
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Then installed Zway from Terminal
wget -q -O - https://storage.z-wave.me/RaspbianInstall | sudo bash
Plugged in UZB
Changed port to /dev/ttyACM0 in menu/apps/ZWave network access in basic UI
This arrived today - hope it has enough juice for the uzb.47.99 GBP PiJuice HAT – A Portable Power Platform For Every Raspberry Pi PiJuice HAT – A Portable Power Platform For Every Raspberry Pi
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Probably @rafale77 will jump on this question first 😉
I'm using the new model of GE/Jasco switch (they replaced the dead one I got) and the new model is having also S2 security and send instant status update BUT,
And probably @rafale77 will say yes, is it possible that interference can do that I'm missing some instant update status ?
Often, I'm having the wrong status in the zwave.me web interface...and even clicking the icon, the status didn't changed to right one.
I also try to do some "On/Off" using the web interface, and the device itself physically, toggle without a problem, but the web interface is still no correct.
I'm trying to monitor the indicator command class of a 5 button scene controller in Z-Way so openluup can properly create and track it.
seems like Z-Way COMMAND_CLASS_INDICATOR (0x87 or 135) are not being monitored by the ZWave module as I couldn't find anything for this command class in (/z-way-server-path/automation/modules/ZWave/index.js)
When a Get or Set Indicator command class request is sent to the controller. ZSniffer picks up the request and response just fine although this packets are not being monitored by the zwave moduleZWayIP:8083/ZWaveAPI/Run/SendData(NodeID,[ Command_Class, Instance, Value ]) ZWayIP:8083/ZWaveAPI/Run/SendData(2,[ 0x87, 0x01, 0x01 ]) (Hexa) ZWayIP:8083/ZWaveAPI/Run/SendData(2,[ 135, 1, 1 ]) (Decimal)
the answer looks like:[2020-04-24 19:59:36.261] [I] [zway] Waiting for job reply: Indicator Get [2020-04-24 19:59:36.281] [D] [zway] RECEIVED: ( 01 0B 00 04 00 02 03 87 03 01 B6 00 C2 ) [2020-04-24 19:59:36.281] [D] [zway] SENT ACK
I’d like to store the Indicator response “RECEIVED” correctly. I believe by modifying the index.js of the zwave module could do the trick and once the module start tracking the indicator command class values as a metric then openluup's z-way plugin would properly track any changes as well.
I'm wondering if anyone around here could share any thoughts or comments that could make it easier...
Posting here, as the z-wave.me forum seems desolated..
I have two multisensor 6 sensors, and one of them is not sending motion sensor updates?
Looking at the configuration, they are both registered as battery sensors for som reason, even if they are USB powered. They respond quickly to parameter changes, except for parameter 100 and 110, that will not update.
Any clues? How do i convince the controller that they are USB powered?
First Post . . .
Good to "see" y'all here!
Last week, I purchased the Z-Wave.me UZB1 dongle and also purchased the Z-Way license.
Knowing in advance that the combination (Windows 10 and the Z-Way server) was lacking, I wanted to install anyway on a Windows 10 machine, and include a few spare z-wave devices to see how things worked. Pretty well, for the most part.
@rafale77 had written that the UZB stick works well in the RPi compared to the RaZberry card (which I also purchased but is still in it's packaging), I would like to plug this UZB1 into my Pi running openLuup/ALTUI (then hopefully installing the Z-Way plugin)
I'm not confident enough yet to plug the UZB into my Vera3 (UI5) and transfer my existing z-wave devices to the stick.
Without creating a new Buster image downloaded from Z-Way, could I possibly . . .Plug the UZB1 into the Buster Pi3 From the terminal, run, wget -q -O - razberry.z-wave.me/install | sudo bash
then, if I can reach the :8083 port (as quoted by PoltoS) "go to Settings -> Apps -> Active -> ZWave and change /dev/ttyAMA0 to /dev/ttyACM0"
and expect that my UZB1 will now run on the Pi ?
If it is mostly that simple, would my license transfer?
Should I exclude the (3) z-wave devices I had running on the Windows 10 Z-Way server first?
If I'm oversimplifying, tell me to "shut up" and read some more! 😕
I seems to still have some issues in the z-wave controller..
The route map won't show, only throws an error message:
This Link status map is way too grey:
The neighbour map looks OK, most have 2 or more neighbours:
All units except for one seems to work as usual though, and thats the garage door sensor.. No errors reported, but no reaction either..
And the fibaros all complain with system and heat errors, which i know is unfounded.,
Any suggestions on where to look? I started a full reorganization of the mesh now, not sure what it does, but it seemed like a good thing to do..
It seems like zway really wants to use wifi for internet access. It doesn’t see my ethernet connection and thinks it has no internet but I can’t find anywhere to change it.
What's the error message you got ?
This definitely an operating system configuration problem with the pi. Z-way does not control this.
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@rafale77 every other app works fine. This is a fresh buster install with no changes, this was the very first thing I did. I tested internet access which works just fine, I was able to get the Zway installation, so it has working internet. I can't see zway's apps to install.
@DesT "The request failed because server does not responding. Looks like you've slow or lost internet connection. Try to reconnect and refresh the page."
Ok this is not an internet access problem but likely a libcurl version issue.
I am testing on my pi which was installed also on a fresh buster and had the same problem previously. I don't seem to be having it since I upgraded to 3.0.6. What version of the server are you running?
Started with 3.0.6. Curl is installed and working.
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@rafale77 Tried to do the libcurl3 procedure, but it's not available on apt-get, these are the closest:
libcurl3-gnutls/stable 7.64.0-4+deb10u1 armhf libcurl3-nss/stable 7.64.0-4+deb10u1 armhf
This is so frustrating.
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yeah z-way-server was not designed to work on buster or ubuntu 18. It does not support curl4. I have asked them to change this apparently since 2018 when I first ran into this problem. I don't seem to have it anymore though but my production unit is running on ubuntu 16.
Zwave.me specifically says, only supported on stretch and buster. I am so frustrated I'm giving it a timeout.
I'm having issue with buster, that's why I'm using stretch for z-way!
I ask @PoltoS to make the 3.0.6 release available for buster!
is the zwave on zway THAT much better then HomeAssistant?
Sorry guys I was having a blast trying to get @sender going with his installation over PMs. Turned out to be an attempt to run the 64bit ubuntu x86_64 version on a 32bit ubuntu VM. Anyway.
So yeah the Buster support is actually a full customized OS image for you to install on an SD card. Not ideal but it has liburl3 installed. I am trying to figure out how I got mine to work as I think I actually had a stretch installation which I later upgraded to buster so I am currently not seeing this problem. I also have no problem on ubuntu 16 which natively runs libcurl3. If/When I find out how to get libcurl downgraded reliably on both ubuntu and raspbian, I will post it. It seems the both of you are fighting the same problem.
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@rafale77 I respectfully disagree. Having lived through the curl3/4 nightmare that is known but not documented and having incorrect installation instructions on their installation page. I am loath to trust my home automation to an outfit (one guy) with such low quality standards. My red lights are flashing.
I understand your experience and the frustration especially for a paid product but if you put things in perspective and if you are also on the Hass forum, you may find a viral thread a few days old in which I also posted, reflecting how difficult it is to maintain a project such as this which has an identity issue swinging between wanting to be "firmware like" (fully embedded OS image whether for a full machine, a VM, or a container) and just a program you can install anywhere. Hass adds the complexity of adding a docker container option which complicates the whole thing more than it simplifies it. I struggled mightily to install and maintain Hass and used that experience when I installed z-way which I found very easy in comparison in spite of the lack of documentation.
Remember also that the curl problem only affects a small portion of the program which you may or may not need. The z-way-server was built as a demonstrator GUI for the underlying library and API which is then used by various developers. As a result I never even interact with the standard GUI (smarthomeUI) of z-way-server and use exclusively the expertUI which is by far the most advanced zwave management tool anywhere. And even then I rarely need to toy with it since the system is very stable.
Understand also that this demonstrator was initially meant to work on the rPi with Raspbian stretch. The official support for Raspbian buster only comes in the form of the OS image.
It isn't a single dev, they actually have a team, @PoltoS just happens to be the (english speaking) face of it. The difficulty is the same as for Hass... there are a lot of issues related to dependencies upgrades breaking things which is why the Hass team wants to move towards a more controlled embedded image solution and stray away support of the "program on any OS" direction. I have had my share of grief with upgrading the OS or Hass on my Hass VM. Far more than with the z-way-server which has much fewer dependencies.
This not an excuse for poor documentation and incomplete/incorrect installation instructions. Heck even their upgrade script did not work for me on buster but it isn't a reflection of the quality of the zwave library and API. It is only a "feature" of linux supporting all platforms and distros. I hate to say this but if you want to test the windows version, you will see that it is very easy to install and works just as well.
I agree with @rafale77 too, I never use the smarthomeUI, I mainly use the expert mode too and I use openLuup for everything. zway is mainly just the bridge to "talk" zwave.
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Yep, I'm on the windows version because I have a mini PC around with windows as base os and then a Linux VM with Ubuntu and openluup. It worked well at first install. I'll eventually move it to a RPI, or not - we'll see.